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John Leslie Trial - Accused of touching woman's bum in nightclub

  • 20-06-2018 09:22PM
    #1
    Olsky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Olsky


    In my opinion the puritanism and sexual repression demanded by the #metoo movement has begun to exceed anything achieved by the catholic church at the height of their powers or the victorian puritans centuries ago. Having largely succeeded in getting rid of any flirting or physical contact "in the workplace" they have now turned their attention to "inappropriate" touching in nightclubs. Any like any orthodoxy people are terrified of challenging it. Read the court report on the trial below and give your opinion.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/18/john-leslie-goes-trial-accused-nightclub-sex-assault/


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Comments

  • #2
    Your Face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Yet the electricity is still on.


  • #3
    Chaos Tourist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 207 ✭✭Chaos Tourist


    Was the Cheeky Girls song playing in the nightclub?


  • #4
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    What qualifies somebody as a "minor contributor" when the inside of a woman's underpants are concerned?


  • #5
    Brae100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭Brae100


    There's more to this. There's possibly very serious previous.


  • #6
    Conservatory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Conservatory


    He went for it she said no chance bucko. It’s not like he ran out from under a park bench and pulled at her hoop. He misread a few signals.

    Every teenage boy in the country has tried to put his hands down a girls trousers only for her to grab the hand and put it somewhere less fun. Should we lock them all up?


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  • #7
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Brae100 wrote: »
    There's more to this. There's possibly very serious previous.

    Previous?


  • #8
    Conservatory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Conservatory


    Brae100 wrote: »
    There's more to this. There's possibly very serious previous.

    Oh right.

    There’s more to this somebody might have previously done something.


  • #9
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    This is like trying to get Al Capone for tax evasion?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrika_Jonsson#Autobiography_and_John_Leslie_scandal

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #10
    Brooklynn Large Sawmill
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Brooklynn Large Sawmill


    Olsky wrote: »
    In my opinion the puritanism and sexual repression demanded by the #metoo movement has begun to exceed anything achieved by the catholic church at the height of their powers or the victorian puritans centuries ago. Having largely succeeded in getting rid of any flirting or physical contact "in the workplace" they have now turned their attention to "inappropriate" touching in nightclubs. Any like any orthodoxy people are terrified of challenging it. Read the court report on the trial below and give your opinion.

    If you can't tell the difference between sexual assault and flirting, then maybe it's indeed for the best that you don't do either.


  • #11
    Conservatory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Conservatory


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    This is like trying to get Al Capone for tax evasion?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrika_Jonsson#Autobiography_and_John_Leslie_scandal

    Ulrika has a terrible time with every man that left her didn’t she.


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  • #12
    Olsky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Olsky


    bluewolf wrote: »
    If you can't tell the difference between sexual assault and flirting, then maybe it's indeed for the best that you don't do either.

    There is no objective difference according to #metoo orthodoxy.

    The subjective interpretation of the woman is what is to be used to decide on whether punishment is merited.


  • #13
    Oasis1974
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Oasis1974


    That guy was close friends with Jimmy Saville its been alleged many weekends they spent in that Looney bin hospital in Leeds. Dirty Den also named and shamed is being brought back from the dead so to speak. Watch this space.


  • #14
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    bluewolf wrote: »
    If you can't tell the difference between sexual assault and flirting, then maybe it's indeed for the best that you don't do either.

    From the description he was knocked back immediately, it doesn't sound like he made a concerted effort to rape this woman or assault her in any demonstrable manner. Yes he should have kept his hands to himself but men and women touch each other in inappropriate ways in nightclubs all the time.
    In this case the definition of sexual assault is being taken to an extreme. He needed to be told to keep his hands to himself and if he had continued his behavior then he would have been guilty of harassment. We're not talking about flirting of sexual assault here, we're talking about somebody reading a situation incorrectly. Frankly statements like yours are not helpful in clarifying situations like this. When a man you care about is accused incorrectly of sexually assaulting a woman you may feel differently.
    Situations like this serve to set divisions between men and women at a point in time when we should be moving beyond such petty nonsense to real equality.


  • #15
    Conservatory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Conservatory


    Oasis1974 wrote: »
    That guy was close friends with Jimmy Saville its been alleged many weekends they spent in that Looney bin hospital in Leeds. Dirty Den also named and shamed is being brought back from the dead so to speak. Watch this space.

    Is this how trials work now? Just make stuff up in the hope the jury see it?


  • #16
    Olsky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Olsky


    Brae100 wrote: »
    There's possibly very serious previous.
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    This is like trying to get Al Capone for tax evasion?
    Oasis1974 wrote: »
    That guy was close friends with Jimmy Saville

    Agree he's not the nicest character. How about though we stick to the facts of the case. He is on trial for allegedly touching a woman's bum in a nightclub.


  • #17
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭sabat


    Why would you choose Leslie as your stage name?


  • #18
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Oasis1974 wrote: »
    That guy was close friends with Jimmy Saville its been alleged many weekends they spent in that Looney bin hospital in Leeds. Dirty Den also named and shamed is being brought back from the dead so to speak. Watch this space.

    There were some murders in 1974 and you have that year in your username, care to explain yourself?


  • #19
    Conservatory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Conservatory


    sabat wrote: »
    Why would you choose Leslie as your stage name?

    According to people in Germany close friends of Hitler called themselves Leslie. The facts are coming out soon but not now.


  • #20
    soups05
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭soups05


    #metoo takes o a different light when you realise that the symbol #, commonly called hashtag was once known as the pound symbol.

    but pound me too has a totally different connotation to it.



    :):):)


  • #21
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Olsky wrote: »
    Agree he's not the nicest character. How about though we stick to the facts of the case. He is on trial for allegedly touching a woman's bum in a nightclub.

    Taking a step back from that, I think people are a little dubious and thinking that if this was some random Joe Bloggs this might not have ended up in court.

    So he is, and isn't, on trial for that.

    And I know jury members are supposed to ignore rumours about past conduct but... well, will they?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #22
    Oasis1974
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Oasis1974


    Ipso wrote: »
    There were some murders in 1974 and you have that year in your username, care to explain yourself?

    Its in remembrance of Coal Mining Strike in blighty actually the auld fellow was working there.


  • #23
    soiseztomabel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 401 ✭✭soiseztomabel


    I wonder will Abi Titmuss weight in...


  • #24
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,546 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    No idea of his guilt or innocence in this, but I do know his filming of his famous " home movie" was substandard.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #25
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,546 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    No idea of his guilt or innocence in this, but I do know his filming of his famous " home movie" was substandard. A crime against pornography.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #26
    Dr Turk Turkelton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    Oasis1974 wrote: »
    Its in remembrance of Coal Mining Strike in blighty actually the auld fellow was working there.

    Your auld fella was working in the mines during the strike?
    Scab.


  • #27
    Olsky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Olsky


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    No idea of his guilt or innocence in this, but .....

    The question is though, should touching a woman's bottom after she has asked you to dance with her in a nightclub be a criminal offence worthy of a trial by jury and a custodial sentence for sexual assault.

    The priests and nuns of auld Ireland would be very proud and envious of the achievements of #metoo

    .


  • #28
    soiseztomabel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 401 ✭✭soiseztomabel


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    No idea of his guilt or innocence in this, but I do know his filming of his famous " home movie" was substandard. A crime against pornography.

    Seconded .....Woeful.


  • #29
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Here's an idea: check if it's ok before putting your hand down someone's underwear.


  • #30
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    In the current climate NOW is the best time to bring retrospective cases to court.

    I wonder what kind of nightclub is was btw. I recall Paul Daniels (the deceased magician) on some TV show I can't recall what it was, but he was taken to a nightclub and he said he hated those sorts of places - it's just a pick up joint - a dive. I think he understood what the whole place was about and he's right.

    I would have though touching someone on the bum in a dive would be on the lower end of the spectrum of what goes on in those types of places. Now, it may have been some classy joint - but believe me a classy joint can still be a dive. No one really goes to nightclubs to listen to pumping music for hours on end.


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  • #31
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Olsky wrote: »
    The question is though, should touching a woman's bottom after she has asked you to dance with her in a nightclub be a criminal offence worthy of a trial by jury and a custodial sentence for sexual assault.

    The priests and nuns of auld Ireland would be very proud and envious of the achievements of #metoo

    .
    No it shouldn't. It's ridiculous the amount of money that will have been spent on this. Man and woman dance together intimately in nightclub. Man touches woman's bottom. Woman breaks away from dancing and leaves him. End of situation. Now if he had acted aggressive and started pawing her or trying to French kiss her after she made it clear she wasn't interest, that would be different.

    It's nonsense like this that is going to do more harm to victims than good. If his name wasn't John Leslie would it have even warranted police intervention after the woman spoke to the bouncers? If we believe everything in the op, then the woman's story doesn't add up. She said her friend pulled her away but CCTV doesn't support this. How did this even end up in court?


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