Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

launish116 · 19-06-2018 07:07PM

Makes you wonder is this to bolster AIL or concerned with current academy locks.

19-06-2018 09:01PM

He was excellent for Terenure this season.

launish116 · 19-06-2018 09:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He was excellent for Terenure this season.

Had you seen him play before? the year away has done him good then?

bilston · 19-06-2018 09:25PM

So forwards for next season...

Props
Andrew Warwick
Kyle McCall
Schalk Van Der Merwe
Wiebhan Herbst
Ross Kane
Tom O'Toole
Rodney Ah You
Marty Moore

Hookers
Rory Best
Rob Herring
John Andrew
Adam McBurney

Second Rows
Iain Henderson
Alan O'Connor
Kieran Treadwell
Matt Dalton
Pete Browne
Alex Thompson

Back Rows
Matthew Rea
Jean Deysel
Greg Jones
Sean Reidy
Clive Ross
Chris Henry
Nick Timoney
Marcel Coetzee
Jordi Murphy

Up and comers
Tommy O'Hagan
Eric Sullivan
Jack Regan
Matthew Agnew
Aaron Hall
Joe Dunleavy

Decent mix now. A top quality LHP would be nice though.

Edited to include Moore thanks to launish.

launish116 · 19-06-2018 09:31PM

Forgot Marty Moore, really wondering will he have as much impact as management thought with Kane/O'Toole progressing.
If the academy forwards can be rotated for meaningful game time, we looking set for the future, with things only gonna improve. Back row is actually gonna be very competitive next season.
LHP really is the issue, this must be make or break for Sullivan & O'hagan this season.

bilston · 19-06-2018 09:39PM

launish116 wrote: »

Forgot Marty Moore, really wondering will he have as much impact as management thought with Kane/O'Toole progressing.
If the academy forwards can be rotated for meaningful game time, we looking set for the future, with things only gonna improve. Back row is actually gonna be very competitive next season.
LHP really is the issue, this must be make or break for Sullivan & O'hagan this season.

The few times I saw him play for Wasps last season were not promising. He is far removed from the Marty Moore who played a pivotal squad role from the bench in the 2014 6Ns.

That said a move and a fresh start could be just what he needs. He clearly has the ability.

Is Rodney still here next season?

launish116 · 19-06-2018 09:40PM

bilston wrote: »

The few times I saw him play for Wasps last season were not promising. He is far removed from the Marty Moore who played a pivotal squad role from the bench in the 2014 6Ns.

That's my fear also, wasn't starting for Wasps. Hope he doesn't turn into another Ah You!

Squidgy Black · 20-06-2018 07:20AM

launish116 wrote: »

That's my fear also, wasn't starting for Wasps. Hope he doesn't turn into another Ah You!

If he can manage his fitness he'll get back to previous levels I think. He was injured as he left for wasps and picked up a couple injuries over there too.

Burkie1203 · 20-06-2018 09:52AM

Is ethel still serving the tea or has she abandoned ship too

https://twitter.com/jdstrength/status/1009364321820921856?s=19

20-06-2018 10:35AM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

If he can manage his fitness he'll get back to previous levels I think. He was injured as he left for wasps and picked up a couple injuries over there too.

Yeah, if he's fit at the start of the season and looks in decent nick in whatever early fixtures he features in then there is a lot to get excited about. He's a quality tighthead who deserved his international call up at the time.

Who is likely to make international honours for Ulster next season? Moore might make a case for himself with good early form but who else?

Best
Henderson
Treadwell?
Herring
Murhpy
Cooney
McPhillips?
Stockdale

Anyone else? McCloskey probably needs injuries to at least two others before he's back in a training camp with Ireland going by the last two years. Marshall is out for most of the season from what I recall? McPhillips is a bit of a hail Mary call but he was quality at the tail end of last season and I wouldn't rule him out of stepping up further.

jacothelad · 20-06-2018 11:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, if he's fit at the start of the season and looks in decent nick in whatever early fixtures he features in then there is a lot to get excited about. He's a quality tighthead who deserved his international call up at the time.

Who is likely to make international honours for Ulster next season? Moore might make a case for himself with good early form but who else?

Best
Henderson
Treadwell?
Herring
Murhpy
Cooney
McPhillips?
Stockdale

Anyone else? McCloskey probably needs injuries to at least two others before he's back in a training camp with Ireland going by the last two years. Marshall is out for most of the season from what I recall? McPhillips is a bit of a hail Mary call but he was quality at the tail end of last season and I wouldn't rule him out of stepping up further.

Treadwell suffered from 2nd season syndrome up to the last 5 or 6 games when he started playing like he did the year before. He is a massive but athletic man and with the right coach / ing could add substantially to our 2row roster. He is still quite young. 22 y.o. 198 cms and 118 kgs. He has already made 44 appearances and - let's be frank- he has been playing in a largely dispirited and appallingly badly coached side until Les left.

Our new full back / centre, Addison, might get a training squad call up I suppose unless he arrives like most Ulster signings with a massive potentially career ending injury.....:D.

irishbucsfan · 20-06-2018 11:06AM

I hope it's 2nd season syndrome he suffered from and not 2nd row syndrome

awec · 20-06-2018 11:18AM

launish116 wrote: »

Makes you wonder is this to bolster AIL or concerned with current academy locks.

Thompson will play AIL I reckon.

stl.ire · 20-06-2018 11:52AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah, if he's fit at the start of the season and looks in decent nick in whatever early fixtures he features in then there is a lot to get excited about. He's a quality tighthead who deserved his international call up at the time.

Who is likely to make international honours for Ulster next season? Moore might make a case for himself with good early form but who else?

Best
Henderson
Treadwell?
Herring
Murhpy
Cooney
McPhillips?
Stockdale

Anyone else? McCloskey probably needs injuries to at least two others before he's back in a training camp with Ireland going by the last two years. Marshall is out for most of the season from what I recall? McPhillips is a bit of a hail Mary call but he was quality at the tail end of last season and I wouldn't rule him out of stepping up further.

God help us if McPhillips and Cooney are called up at the same time!

Can’t see anyone else bar Addison being called up unless there’s an injury crisis given as it’s a WC year next season and caps are not going to be thrown away. Schmidt probably has about 90% of his squad in his mind already.

After the WC we could see a host of young guys get opportunities if they develop so it’s not all bad especially if they get a baptism of fire this year.

20-06-2018 12:35PM

stl.ire wrote: »

God help us if McPhillips and Cooney are called up at the same time!

Can’t see anyone else bar Addison being called up unless there’s an injury crisis given as it’s a WC year next season and caps are not going to be thrown away. Schmidt probably has about 90% of his squad in his mind already.

After the WC we could see a host of young guys get opportunities if they develop so it’s not all bad especially if they get a baptism of fire this year.

On the turn side of this if your first choice half back pairing are of international quality (with one of the best international sides in the world) it augers well for your team in crunch fixtures.

bilston · 20-06-2018 12:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Squidgy Black wrote: »

If he can manage his fitness he'll get back to previous levels I think. He was injured as he left for wasps and picked up a couple injuries over there too.

Yeah, if he's fit at the start of the season and looks in decent nick in whatever early fixtures he features in then there is a lot to get excited about. He's a quality tighthead who deserved his international call up at the time.

Who is likely to make international honours for Ulster next season? Moore might make a case for himself with good early form but who else?

Best
Henderson
Treadwell?
Herring
Murhpy
Cooney
McPhillips?
Stockdale

Anyone else? McCloskey probably needs injuries to at least two others before he's back in a training camp with Ireland going by the last two years. Marshall is out for most of the season from what I recall? McPhillips is a bit of a hail Mary call but he was quality at the tail end of last season and I wouldn't rule him out of stepping up further.

I don't see anyone else. Matthew Rea at a push if he continues where he left off before injury, but the back row is congested and in a WC year I dont see much room for experimentation.

Best
Herring
Henderson
Murphy
Cooney
Stockdale

Maybe Addison, that will be it.

launish116 · 20-06-2018 01:00PM

Seems Ulster actually had some decent coach’s applying for the top job. Steve Borthwick had applied also.

Scythica · 20-06-2018 02:00PM

Scarlets Racing Leicester Ulster.

Thoughts?

jacothelad · 20-06-2018 02:06PM

Scythica wrote: »

Scarlets Racing Leicester Ulster.

Thoughts?

Forked....:D

jacothelad · 20-06-2018 02:07PM

launish116 wrote: »

Seems Ulster actually had some decent coach’s applying for the top job. Steve Borthwick had applied also.

Borthwick would have been a good call I suspect.

bilston · 20-06-2018 02:11PM

Scythica wrote: »

Scarlets Racing Leicester Ulster.

Thoughts?

I'm more interested in Perpignan's trip to Galway...

awec · 20-06-2018 03:00PM

We'll get taken up the wrong'un in that group.

20-06-2018 03:21PM

awec wrote: »

We'll get taken up the wrong'un in that group.

Not necessarily. Scarletts have lost a few key players this season and Racing have always been a bit half hearted in the pool stages. I think you can win your home games if the injuries are kept to a minimum and if MacFarland is on board in the next few weeks.

On the turn side - I'm not sure if it's worth caring about Europe this year, focus on the league and try and put yourselves in a good position like Leinster did in the 2015 season.

launish116 · 20-06-2018 07:52PM

Could be worse I guess! Racing rarely travel well, Scarlets have lost players and Leicester have never enjoyed Belfast! Leicester and racing will be a big challenge away from home!

New season new issues! We used play hoping our forwards could atleast make parity with other teams! Then relying on our backline to win us th match! That looks long way off next season!

Truely is weird thinking our forwards have more potebtial than our backs next season! Something I thought I’d never say or see!

Buer · 20-06-2018 08:49PM

Ulster won't get through but absolutely no reason they can't win all their home games in that pool with their first choice team next season. The other three will not be thrilled whatsoever at getting a trip to Belfast as their 4th seed encounter.

launish116 · 20-06-2018 08:50PM

Buer wrote: »

Ulster won't get through but absolutely no reason they can't win all their home games in that pool with their first choice team next season. The other three will not be thrilled whatsoever at getting a trip to Belfast as their 4th seed encounter.

Pretty sure Leicester have had their worst European defeats in Belfast.

Richie_Rich89 · 20-06-2018 10:51PM

launish116 wrote: »

Seems Ulster actually had some decent coach’s applying for the top job. Steve Borthwick had applied also.

Any other names?

Burkie1203 · 21-06-2018 06:41AM

https://twitter.com/Best6Analysis/status/1009687281152679937?s=19

21-06-2018 06:46AM

I don't completely agree with Best's logic here. Scotland have their replacement, they are holding onto MacFarland and demanding a massive sum for his release. Ireland leaking this information is a message that we are prepared to wait and Scotland need to be more reasonable with the price tag.

MacFarland will be here within a few weeks, the IRFU are just trying to manage the cost to buy him out and Scotland are possibly playing silly buggers.

stl.ire · 21-06-2018 07:02AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't completely agree with Best's logic here. Scotland have their replacement, they are holding onto MacFarland and demanding a massive sum for his release. Ireland leaking this information is a message that we are prepared to wait and Scotland need to be more reasonable with the price tag.

MacFarland will be here within a few weeks, the IRFU are just trying to manage the cost to buy him out and Scotland are possibly playing silly buggers.

Exactly this. Scotland won’t want McFarland until January as that will involve paying him months of gardening leave or risk him spending time wirking with his replacement (which is dangerous enough as Scotland are in Ireland’s WC group!).

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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