Still no cause of death for Dolores O'Riordan

Agricola · 13-06-2018 08:21PM

Leave it alone I say. Celebrities are held to a higher standard for no reason at all. If it was Joe Soap down the road that committed suicide, no one would bat an eyelid if the family chose not to be open about that. If indeed it was suicide, DoR's family arent obliged to plaster that everywhere, especially since she had young kids.

Are Am Eye · 13-06-2018 08:29PM

The inquest was probably put back to another date due to the
unavailability of a witness for the original date. As opposed to a grand
conspiracy. An inquest has to be held by law. With the circumstances
uncertain and open to different interpretations you will likely get a finding
of misadventure in this case.

AllForIt · 13-06-2018 08:57PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Why would you act like that towards a bereaved family? Maybe it wasn’t the right thing to do to not report it as a suicide but it must have been a devastating and overwhelming time for your friend’s family. You would have just added to their woes. Why would you put ‘feelings’ in inverted commas?

The family might in time decide to disclose the cause of death but that’s their business, not yours. You can only speculate on whether lying about the cause of death made things worse or not.

Well it's possible they didn't have a very good relationship with each other. If they didn't, and the person who committed suicide was neglected in that the family didn't particular keep in touch with the person particularly often or at all...it would reflect badly on the family in their community if this came out - say for example if a person was found dead if they lived alone - and they weren't discovered for weeks.

Olsky · 13-06-2018 09:32PM

It was by no means a unanimous decision but certain members of the family felt it might reflect badly on them so they persuaded others that there should be a conspiracy of silence and they all agreed to lie about the cause of death.
Funny thing is the same justifications were used as are being used here to justify the cover up.
It is nobody elses business. Nobody needs to know. The feelings of some members of the family would be hurt if the truth was known.

_Dara_ · 13-06-2018 09:45PM

Olsky wrote: »

It was by no means a unanimous decision but certain members of the family felt it might reflect badly on them so they persuaded others that there should be a conspiracy of silence and they all agreed to lie about the cause of death.
Funny thing is the same justifications were used as are being used here to justify the cover up.
It is nobody elses business. Nobody needs to know. The feelings of some members of the family would be hurt if the truth was known.

So, that’s what the family decided. People allowed themselves to be persuaded. What business was it of yours?

Why do people need to know what the cause of death was? And with suicides, there can be the copycat effect.

Raging_Ninja · 13-06-2018 10:19PM

eviltwin wrote: »

it's none of our business so if the family have decided to keep it private that should be up to them.

The family don't have a choice in the matter. Coroner's inquests are a matter of public record.

Conservatory · 13-06-2018 10:21PM

These can take a year or two. It’s normal.

AllForIt · 13-06-2018 11:01PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

So, that’s what the family decided. People allowed themselves to be persuaded. What business was it of yours?

Why do people need to know what the cause of death was? And with suicides, there can be the copycat effect.

To raise awareness of suicide - not to raise awareness of the person who committed it per se but to raise awareness of the reasons behind it.

Suicide has always been a bit of a mystery. It is always a wonder especially in the case that the person was know to one personally why they did it when they never seen anything particularly wrong with them.

I think if ppl were more open about the subject - especially what the bereaved family might say - we might be better able to identify ppl who are suicidal and thus in a better position to prevent it as far as it can.

If families of the bereaved feel they are better served by being utterly private about the whole incident then I think they are putting themselves above the issues - which is a little bit selfish imo. They could provide vital info where we could better understand the issue but they won't do that in case when the whole story comes out it might reflect badly on them.

Edit: Additionally - what happens when the general public don't know the full facts. They say that the person who committed suicide was being selfish. A utterly crass remark to make about someone who felt so bad they went through with taking their own life.

_Dara_ · 13-06-2018 11:25PM

AllForIt wrote: »

To raise awareness of suicide - not to raise awareness of the person who committed it per se but to raise awareness of the reasons behind it.

Suicide has always been a bit of a mystery. It is always a wonder especially in the case that the person was know to one personally why they did it when they never seen anything particularly wrong with them.

I think if ppl were more open about the subject - especially what the bereaved family might say - we might be better able to identify ppl who are suicidal and thus in a better position to prevent it as far as it can.

If families of the bereaved feel they are better served by being utterly private about the whole incident then I think they are putting themselves above the issues - which is a little bit selfish imo. They could provide vital info where we could better understand the issue but they won't do that in case when the whole story comes out it might reflect badly on them.

Edit: Additionally - what happens when the general public don't know the full facts. They say that the person who committed suicide was being selfish. A utterly crass remark to make about someone who felt so bad they went through with taking their own life.

It’s still up to the family of the deceased whether they want to add to that awareness. It’s certainly not the say of someone outside the family. I can’t understand people standing in judgment of how a bereaved family copes with such a tragedy. We’re all different. Bereaved familys don’t owe anything to anyone.

gerrybbadd · 06-09-2018 11:40AM

Inquest is live now on Sky News.

Verdict is drowning - accidental death due to Alcohol intoxication. Seems she was found in a bath, submerged

skallywag · 06-09-2018 01:00PM

BAC was 330mg, that's pretty damn high even for a seasoned drinker, and definitely enough for one to pass out.

maccored · 06-09-2018 01:06PM

i though it was an accidental OD on Fentanyl

Olsky · 06-09-2018 11:35PM

maccored wrote: »

i though it was an accidental OD on Fentanyl

Yeah. That was my assumption. She had been on prescribed opioids so an educated guess. Particularly as fentanyl killed Prince and Tom Petty in the last year. And made the owner of the company that sells it into a billionaire.
Previous suicide attempts so that was also a possibility.

Both guesses wrong. Not suicide. Very drunk and passed out in the bath.
Accidental death.

Crea · 06-09-2018 11:54PM

Family were telling people it was an accidental overdose of prescription medication. They may reckon it's better than her being so drunk she passed out.
Whatever reason she was a fab person and it's sad she's gone. She deserved better from those around her.

Still no cause of death for Dolores O'Riordan

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