So my car needs a new engine..

bazz26 · 06-06-2018 03:07PM

OP could turn this story into a best selling autobiography or sell the rights to Hollywood. Could go towards the cost of repairs or a new car at this stage.

Gravelly · 06-06-2018 03:07PM

OP, is this car blackmailing you? Has it held you against your will? Because I can think of no other reason not to weigh it in.

bazz26 · 06-06-2018 03:10PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

wonski · 06-06-2018 03:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not sure what direction to go in now. Don't have the cash lying around to buy another car. I still like the C5 and it suits my work perfectly. But it's not worth anything so won't fetch much as a trade-in either.

OP, while I feel sorry for you, why do you keep saying you like the car and it suits your work?

It doesn't, you need a reliable car if your work depends on it and no amount of excuses will make this car look good.

Think of a loan, a cheap banger to keep you on the road until you save a bit for something better, or of any other option that does not involve putting more money into that car.

If I were you I would probably never buy another Citroen in my life because of your experience with the car...

06-06-2018 03:17PM

bear1 wrote: »

KKV... how much more time and money are you going to throw at this car?
I would imagine the slave cylinder has failed so I can't see why the garage that changed the engine would be responsible for this? The clutch kit generally doesn't come with the slave cylinder.
I would imagine this repair needs to come out of your own pocket.

I won't pretend to be too mechanically minded, but I was sold a fully reconditioned engine, with a 12 month guarantee, and as part of the work (charged extra if i recall) a new clutch was done while the engine was out.

6 months later the engine develops the same issue again ("Big end going"). 6 weeks after I get it back after that (when the engine should have been yet again reconditioned as new) the clutch fails (without any sign of wear or warning).

Surely can't be just a coincidence. "How many cars come out of a factory and have a clutch fail in 6 weeks" is my line of thinking. I was sold a service promising to bring the engine and other bits (clutch) as bringing the car to as new as can be.

06-06-2018 03:21PM

Regards changing car - again it comes down to financing. I just spent a lot of money on a house and revamping it (it's mortgaged, obviously, but i've spilled a lot of cash into it, and have two debts as a result, one the mortgage and the other a personal loan). I don't really see anyone entertaining lending to me for a car for some reason.

Even so, I'd rather avoid lots of debt.

06-06-2018 03:21PM

Clutch change woould be disc, plate and release bearing I reckon. To be fair if it's the master cylinder that's gone that is quite likely the factory one.

06-06-2018 03:26PM

Augeo wrote: »

Clutch change woould be disc, plate and release bearing I reckon. To be fair if it's the master cylinder that's gone that is quite likely the factory one.

But surely that would change with the engine?

For example, when i first sent my car in to them, i ended up waiting about 2 weeks longer than I should as they said they had put the wrong engine into it (should have probably been warning signs there and then, but anyway).

So i know they didn't recondition the same engine that came out of the car. They got a different engine for it. Presumably all these bits and pieces would change, too? (again, not claiming to be mechanically minded).

Gravelly · 06-06-2018 03:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

they had put the wrong engine into it

:eek: Why, had they put in a good one

jca · 06-06-2018 03:34PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But surely that would change with the engine?

For example, when i first sent my car in to them, i ended up waiting about 2 weeks longer than I should as they said they had put the wrong engine into it (should have probably been warning signs there and then, but anyway).

So i know they didn't recondition the same engine that came out of the car. They got a different engine for it. Presumably all these bits and pieces would change, too? (again, not claiming to be mechanically minded).

No, the master cylinder is the one up at the pedal and wouldn't be changed when the clutch is being done.

clfy39tzve8njq · 06-06-2018 03:58PM

wonski wrote:

If I were you I would probably never buy another Citroen in my life because of your experience with the car...

I will certainly never buy a Citroen in my life because of his experience with that car.

clfy39tzve8njq · 06-06-2018 04:01PM

Deleted User wrote:

So i know they didn't recondition the same engine that came out of the car. They got a different engine for it. Presumably all these bits and pieces would change, too? (again, not claiming to be mechanically minded).

Master cylinder wouldn't be changed with the engine

Anjobe · 06-06-2018 04:19PM

Cairo Shallow Ignoramus wrote: »

Master cylinder wouldn't be changed with the engine

The C5 clutch has a concentric slave cylinder (I think) so it would have been good practice to change that along with the clutch. If the slave cylinder was replaced with the clutch and has now failed then the OP has a case for it to be repaired under warranty. If the slave cylinder has failed and was not replaced with the clutch then the OP has a case to be annoyed about it, but no case for it to repaired under warranty.

OP, please do us all a favour and put this car out of its misery and move on...

clfy39tzve8njq · 06-06-2018 04:53PM

Anjobe wrote:

The C5 clutch has a concentric slave cylinder (I think) so it would have been good practice to change that along with the clutch. If the slave cylinder was replaced with the clutch and has now failed then the OP has a case for it to be repaired under warranty. If the slave cylinder has failed and was not replaced with the clutch then the OP has a case to be annoyed about it, but no case for it to repaired under warranty.

It wouldn't be changed with second change of engine is what I meant.

Toyotafanboi · 06-06-2018 05:11PM

Madness, Ted.

I was behind you all the way KKV but it's time to jump ship IMO.

clfy39tzve8njq · 06-06-2018 05:22PM

Toyotafanboi wrote:

I was behind you all the way KKV but it's time to jump ship IMO.

You shouldn't have stayed behind him no dpf remember :-)

06-06-2018 05:26PM

At this stage the garage must be getting good whipping out the box from it. This time make sure they'll change the drive shaft seals while the box is out and consider the gearbox main shaft seal too if possible to change from outside.

I would partially blame the garage as the concentric slave cylinders are known semi consumable really and the part costs only some tens of yoyo and the failure means another gearbox out job.

Edit: Actually, to my untrained eyes it seems the clave cylinder on 1.6 HDi C5 is outside the box so potentially happy days both for KKV and the garage. They cost less than 30 yoyo and should be possible to change one relatively easily from the engine bay.

beertons · 06-06-2018 06:00PM

What are you driving now while you have no Citroen?

mikeecho · 06-06-2018 06:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Howdy folks.

I have a 2009 citroen C5, 1.6hdi diesel. it's got about 270km on the clock........................

Anyone able to offer any advice?

....

GET RID OF IT

(sorry for shouting.. but given the length if the thread.. it was necessary)

Green farmer · 06-06-2018 07:19PM

Been reading this thread over the last few months. I’m a Citroen driver (different model) and love them. However you have to know when to call it quits. Plenty of decent 5 year old cars available at handy money out there, that you’d get years out of if you bought clean. I know the money is tight, but would be worth it for your sanity alone.

Trasna1 · 06-06-2018 10:34PM

samih wrote: »

At this stage the garage must be getting good whipping out the box from it. This time make sure they'll change the drive shaft seals while the box is out and consider the gearbox main shaft seal too if possible to change from outside.

I would partially blame the garage as the concentric slave cylinders are known semi consumable really and the part costs only some tens of yoyo and the failure means another gearbox out job.

Edit: Actually, to my untrained eyes it seems the clave cylinder on 1.6 HDi C5 is outside the box so potentially happy days both for KKV and the garage. They cost less than 30 yoyo and should be possible to change one relatively easily from the engine bay.

I had the same symptoms as the OP with a 2l hdi recently. Wasn't as expensive as first feared €130 fixed at main dealer (closest garage to where breakdown occurred).

I feel for you op, it's terrible when you get a lot of failures shortly after one another. I do think you've put up with so much that you should be over the worst if it. Slave cylinders go, like others here have said, they are a semi consumable part.

martyc5674 · 06-06-2018 11:01PM

May not even be a slave or master cylinder... could be a popped off pipe.
Either way I feel there’s pages left in this thread!!

iamtony · 06-06-2018 11:34PM

Op. As a Taxi driver who kept his last van going till it had half a million miles on it I can feel your pain. You fix one thing then the next thing goes. Personally I learned how to fix stuff myself, so that kept the cost low. Sometimes I'd fix it and get a year before anything else went wrong, other times 2 different things in the same week! It's the joys of high milage motoring with an aging car.
Personally I'd fix it and truck on, since you've no other option really, and it shouldn't cost much. But be aware things will keep breaking. And the same things will break again. I doubt you've any comeback with the garage, it's a totally separate issue. A
One thing I learned is your always paying for a car, be it to repair or repay. Simple as that.
Its not because its a citreon, mine was a vw caravelle with the supposedly bullet proof 1.9 tdi engine and that went, and then the timing belt snapped on the replacement used engine a few months later, and yes it was replaced, then the top end failed a few months after that. I've a list the lenght of my arm of things I replaced.

bazz26 · 06-06-2018 11:39PM

Trigger's broom.

iamtony · 06-06-2018 11:41PM

bazz26 wrote: »

Trigger's broom.

Yep, I used to call my van triggers brush. Op is only getting started, from my experience it's when they go over 200 thousand miles is when the fun really starts!

07-06-2018 01:32PM

Howdy folks.

So I chatted with the chap from Daly's this morning, and indeed they're saying it's a separate issue, which is fair enough.

I'm not 100% sure what's wrong, as i had a bad phone connection, but the gist of it was that it's back working and driving again, and that I could 'chance' driving it, or i could get it fixed. Something to do with seals or such?

I was told if i want it fixed they know a chap with a garage nearby that can do it for €140 and it'll be ready for tuesday (I'm back working/driving on Wednesday morning, so this would be ideal for me).

So that's about the height of it, for the moment, really.

I'll probably look into a change of car in 2019, but it's not really feasible at the moment, unfortunately.

Gravelly · 07-06-2018 01:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Howdy folks.

So I chatted with the chap from Daly's this morning, and indeed they're saying it's a separate issue, which is fair enough.

I'm not 100% sure what's wrong, as i had a bad phone connection, but the gist of it was that it's back working and driving again, and that I could 'chance' driving it, or i could get it fixed. Something to do with seals or such?

I was told if i want it fixed they know a chap with a garage nearby that can do it for €140 and it'll be ready for tuesday (I'm back working/driving on Wednesday morning, so this would be ideal for me).

So that's about the height of it, for the moment, really.

I'll probably look into a change of car in 2019, but it's not really feasible at the moment, unfortunately.

Sounds like you might have flipped the seals in the cylinder.

07-06-2018 01:34PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Sounds like you might have flipped the seals in the cylinder.

I legitimately have no idea what that means, unfortunately.

Gravelly · 07-06-2018 01:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I legitimately have no idea what that means, unfortunately.

Get it done, and you'll be fine. However I would be willing to wager this thread has more to run - my bet is on electrical problems next time. Or possibly suspension.

07-06-2018 01:41PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Get it done, and you'll be fine. However I would be willing to wager this thread has more to run - my bet is on electrical problems next time. Or possibly suspension.

well i do apparently have a busted shock on the rear passenger side. so that'll not get a chance to heal before im on the road again. I wonder am i okay to do a week of high-ish miles before getting that fixed?

I dont think i'll have time to sort it out.

So my car needs a new engine..

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