Why do customs open up random packages but Garda don’t search random cars

nails1 · 05-06-2018 09:30PM #1

I ordered a number of pricey collectors items online. Customs opened up these packages and have dramatically reduced their value. It got me thinking why can customs do this randomly to see if there’s drugs or illegal items without any sort of suspicion or warrant? It should be implemented the same way that Garda need suspicion or warrant to search a car or property

Tigger · 05-06-2018 09:32PM

nails1 wrote: »

I ordered a number of pricey collectors items online. Customs opened up these packages and have dramatically reduced their value. It got me thinking why can customs do this randomly to see if there’s drugs or illegal items without any sort of suspicion or warrant? It should be implemented the same way that Garda need suspicion or warrant to search a car or property

They do

Indricotherium · 05-06-2018 10:03PM

u obviously never bought that evo

nails1 · 05-06-2018 10:10PM

Tigger wrote: »

They do

Yep they do but they shouldn’t, especially when a Garda can’t

Tigger · 05-06-2018 10:11PM

nails1 wrote: »

Yep they do but they shouldn’t, especially when a Garda can’t

The garda search cars

whippet · 05-06-2018 10:13PM

nails1 wrote: »

Yep they do but they shouldn’t, especially when a Garda can’t

it's the custom's role to investigate stuff entering the state and matters concerning revenue.

nails1 · 05-06-2018 10:15PM

Tigger wrote: »

The garda search cars

They don’t pull over random cars and start searching them for no reason unless they have reason to believe that car has something illegal.

Tigger · 05-06-2018 10:20PM

nails1 wrote: »

They don’t pull over random cars and start searching them for no reason unless they have reason to believe that car has something illegal.

Nor do revenue

Glass fused light · 05-06-2018 10:22PM

Customs duty and import taxes cover all products transported into the country.
If your product does not have to be illegal just of sufficient economic value to be liable for vat or duty or other revenue control.
Customs don't need suspicions as all product 'qualify' for inspection once they cross the border.

nails1 · 05-06-2018 10:50PM

Tigger wrote: »

Nor do revenue

They do. They stop random packages to check

Tigger · 05-06-2018 10:53PM

nails1 wrote: »

They do. They stop random packages to check

They check patches that ping their algorithms

05-06-2018 11:00PM

nails1 wrote:

I ordered a number of pricey collectors items online. Customs opened up these packages and have dramatically reduced their value. It got me thinking why can customs do this randomly to see if thereâ€™s drugs or illegal items without any sort of suspicion or warrant? It should be implemented the same way that Garda need suspicion or warrant to search a car or property

It's usually to check the value & to see if duty & vat are due.

Are these posted from outside the EU?

nails1 · 06-06-2018 06:48AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's usually to check the value & to see if duty & vat are due.

Are these posted from outside the EU?

No they were from uk

Eggs For Dinner · 06-06-2018 03:24PM

I'm sure I read somewhere that Customs can even enter your home without a warrant. Very wide powers

06-06-2018 03:25PM

Eggs For Dinner wrote:

I'm sure I read somewhere that Customs can even enter your home without a warrant. Very wide powers

That is true. In some ways they have more powers than the Gardai

GM228 · 06-06-2018 03:53PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

I'm sure I read somewhere that Customs can even enter your home without a warrant. Very wide powers

That is true. In some ways they have more powers than the Gardai

It's not true, Customs can not enter a private dwelling without a warrant.

banie01 · 06-06-2018 05:00PM

nails1 wrote: »

They do. They stop random packages to check

Not random, they stop packages that flag on their system.
Things like using FedEx/DHL or other courier shipping and then declaring item value as low or sample for example.
€100+ shipping costs on a cheap item always raises a flag, plenty more things too.

International post is screened and risk assessed, opening and interception is not a random process.

06-06-2018 06:39PM

GM228 wrote:

It's not true, Customs can not enter a private dwelling without a warrant.

Yes they can.

GM228 · 06-06-2018 06:52PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Yes they can.

No they can't, it's very specific in the legislation.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2001/act/7/section/136/enacted/en/html#sec136

136.—(1) An officer may, at all reasonable times, on production of the authorisation of such officer if so requested by any person affected, enter a premises or other place (other than a dwelling) in which....

It's also made very clear several times in Revenue's Powers Manual, for example:-

② Statutory powers of entry/search do not extend to private dwellings. However, these powers can be exercised in the garden, yard or driveway of a dwelling.

They tried to bring in such a provision with the Finance (Local Property Tax) Act 2012 in relation to the LPT, but it was found to be unconstitutional and that provision was then removed from the Act in 2013.

Reati · 06-06-2018 06:56PM

nails1 wrote: »

They don’t pull over random cars and start searching them for no reason unless they have reason to believe that car has something illegal.

No. But if you happen to be on a back road on the way home from work at night where they are waiting for a dealer or someone else you get searched. Has happened twice to me in the course of a few weeks. I let them work away. They had the ASU lads with them.

06-06-2018 07:07PM

GM228 wrote:

No they can't, it's very specific in the legislation.

So they can't follow you off the boat, follow you & enter your house?

RobbingBandit · 06-06-2018 07:14PM

A lot of people are buying funko pop vinyl figures from outside the EU revenue have caught on and especially ones from Australia are being hammered for import charges.

hullaballoo · 06-06-2018 09:42PM

The dwelling of every citizen is inviolable and shall not be forceably entered save in accordance with law.

GM228 · 07-06-2018 05:54AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

So they can't follow you off the boat, follow you & enter your house?

Nope they can't as already shown.

mynamejeff · 13-06-2018 09:14PM

Reati wrote: »

No. But if you happen to be on a back road on the way home from work at night where they are waiting for a dealer or someone else you get searched. Has happened twice to me in the course of a few weeks. I let them work away. They had the ASU lads with them.

not random then is it ?

specific intelligence on a quite back road with little traffic.

unfortunate coincidence that you were there but not random

Why do customs open up random packages but Garda don’t search random cars

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