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Cavanjack wrote: »

Bullocks wrote: »

That's some price

A €200 suckler cow subsidy would be no good for the man that bought them.

Hard to see anyone making money paying a price like that for that cow. She is at least 50% SH. As a cull in 5-6 years time( and you would need her to last that lifespan) would she kill 350kgs. Her cull value is only 50% of the total value paid. Is the calf worth 550 as he is at present. With the margin in suckling she would need to rear a 1k+ weanling for the next 5-6 years to pay her way in a well run suckler unit. If she has to be culled in the next 2-3 years the buyer will drop 500-1000 euro in value and farming opportunity. She seems to have been a trophy purchase.

charolais0153 wrote: »

More than likely 25% shorthorn. That calf is worth 1k in october takes 150 to get him there. Youve a top class cow incalf to ai bull for 1650.

Hard to see with that SH colour her being less than 50% SH. She seem to be a handy enough size cow. You are allowing no margin for carrying a cow from now to October.As well you are valuing her in October at 1650 incalf. Allowing yourself a margin/profit of 200 euro on the unit until October leaves her costing 1850. Will she cost 200 euro to carry to Mid February. Then you have the risk factor, she may come bulling again, something could happen to cow or calf is that a 50 euro risk.

At calving down next February she be costing 2100 in book terms with. 50% chance of having a heifer calf IMO. There is 5% chance of not having a live calf at 30 days after calving between now and then. There is no margin in that cow she needs everything to go right to turn a profit. When you allow a margin of 200/ head on drystock and have 2 units/ suckler unit there is some voodoo economics being used to justify sucklers on good land.

charolais0153 wrote: »

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Hard to see with that SH colour her being less than 50% SH. She seem to be a handy enough size cow. You are allowing no margin for carrying a cow from now to October.As well you are valuing her in October at 1650 incalf. Allowing yourself a margin/profit of 200 euro on the unit until October leaves her costing 1850. Will she cost 200 euro to carry to late February. Then you have the risk factor, she may come bulling again, something could happen to cow or calf is that a 50-100 euro risk.

At calving down next February she be costing over 2100 in book terms with. 50% chance of having a heifer calf IMO. There is no margin in that cow she needs everything to go right to turn a profit. When you allow a margin of 200/ head on drystock and have 2 units/ suckler unit there is some voodoo economics being used to justify sucklers on good land.

More than likely going to keep.if you buy a beast in may do you expect to turn a profit of 200 in 5 months?
If she has a heifer calf even better . farmers go mad for heifers with roan and even that calf she has now is nicely coloured.
Im saying it costs 150 to keep that cow and calf until october. After that the cycle starts again. Costs 700 to keep her for the year for arguments sake. Gets 1000 again for calf. 300 margin.

There is no profit to be made on a suckler cow over the winter all profit must be made during the summer on her and the calf. You effectively have about 0.7 of a suckler unit for the calendar year. Adding in risk you need 200 at least to justify risk. At present we only rear 0.8 calves/ suckler unit to weaning. I have been fair and only allowed a 5% chance that she will have a calf at the end of March next year.

Give that she is a successfully cow and preforms above average and rears 6.5 calves(including calf at foot) over this and the next 6 cycles and all calves hit the 1k mark. She will return 6500 less costs of approx 4500. Give her a cull value of 1250 leaves her turn over at 7750 less costs of 7000 euro. That is about 107 euro / year of a margin. While I have allowed for risk to calves I have allowed no risk for cow loss in my senario. Like I said voodoo economics

Bass Reeves wrote: »

But she will not kill at that price when culled and not all cow's survive to culling stage. Ad well she would want to be a serious cow to be culled at that price

Your only splitting hairs now bass. Her replacement may only cost her cull value when the time comes with the way the gap is closing between cow beef and prime beef.

White Clover wrote: »

It's going around in circles now. As is the case with lots of people that breed nice stock, the purchaser may have been prepared to go a couple of hundred beyond that teams value. He may be a professional who enjoys wandering through and admiring his stock to help him relax after a stressful day. My point being there is no right and wrong in this situation.

This is the point I made in the first post I made about this cow. I stated that she was either a trophy purchase or the lad that bought her as a commercial cow was going to lose his shirt on her.

Then one or two lads tried to justify the purchase. They started to quote cull prices, calf vale price, prices in 6-10 years time. I juzt gave figures that showed if everything we t right with that cow she ha e a margin of 100/year