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GPA against Drug Testing

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  • #2
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Thousands? In which sports?


  • #3
    Tigger
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    dollar bill wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/sport-ireland-slammed-for-decision-to-withhold-gaa-grants-until-players-agree-to-drug-tests-at-home-36965643.html


    Don't see the issue here,There are 1000's of amatuer sports people in Ireland who are subject to drug testing in Ireland and obey the "home address" rule.

    Why should Inter County players be exempt?

    While I don’t want to have to piss in a bottle at home I do understand why the GAA would want to be/stay drug free


  • #4
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 32,951 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I would hazard a guess that drug/PED taking is an issue in the GAA, especially in the last decade or so when the high press/super levels of fitness started to appear.

    Afaik, drug testing is pretty poor.


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    OldMrBrennan83
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  • #6
    [Deleted User]
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Would cocaine be considered performance enhancing? Jockey Frankie Dettori was banned from riding after testing positive for it. Or are they testing for steroids?


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  • #7
    Joe Dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 138 ✭✭Joe Dog


    Embarrassing for the GPA, they just need to go along with this or be told to **** off and forget about any more support from the GAA for anything they do.

    I doubt there is a big problem as it would be almost impossible to keep quiet , however remember this is the country of Paul Kimmage so I'm sure this thread will soon be flooded by so called drugs experts who'll tell us all there is obviously a massive problem to be fixed.


  • #8
    dollar bill
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭dollar bill


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    Thousands? In which sports?


    All Athletics
    Swim Ireland
    Horse Sport Ireland
    Basketball Ireland
    Irish Athletic Boxing Association
    Cricket Ireland
    Tennis Ireland
    Badminton Ireland
    Cycling Ireland
    Hockey Ireland
    Gymnastics Ireland
    Rowing Ireland
    Motor Sport Ireland
    Triathlon Ireland
    Table Tennis Ireland
    Irish Judo Association
    Weightlifting Ireland
    Irish Tug of War Association
    Rugby League Ireland
    Irish Taekwondo Union
    Motor Cycling Ireland

    List of sports that undertook drug testing last year by Irish Sports Council


  • #9
    dollar bill
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭dollar bill


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Would cocaine be considered performance enhancing? Jockey Frankie Dettori was banned from riding after testing positive for it. Or are they testing for steroids?

    I would guess this is the major sticking point with the GPA,Their members don't want out of season drug testing because of failure on "recreational" will result in ban


  • #10
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    dollar bill wrote: »
    downthemiddle wrote: »
    Thousands? In which sports?


    All Athletics
    Swim Ireland
    Horse Sport Ireland
    Basketball Ireland
    Irish Athletic Boxing Association
    Cricket Ireland
    Tennis Ireland
    Badminton Ireland
    Cycling Ireland
    Hockey Ireland
    Gymnastics Ireland
    Rowing Ireland
    Motor Sport Ireland
    Triathlon Ireland
    Table Tennis Ireland
    Irish Judo Association
    Weightlifting Ireland
    Irish Tug of War Association
    Rugby League Ireland
    Irish Taekwondo Union
    Motor Cycling Ireland

    List of sports that undertook drug testing last year by Irish Sports Council
    I’m familiar with the list. Do you know how many of the “1000s” were tested in each sport over the last five years?


  • #11
    cagefactor
    Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭cagefactor


    This is laughable. I know for fact in my county team the lads do testosterone cycles and some even go with steroids such as Anavar or Winstrol. There are SARMs going about also which increase your cardio for a short time after taking.


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  • #12
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,285 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    I’m familiar with the list. Do you know how many of the “1000s” were tested in each sport over the last five years?
    Why do you put 1000s in quotes, it seems an accurate figure going by the list of sports and the OP clearly said 'subject to testing', not 'tested'.
    It's like you are trying to win a point that wasn't actually made.


  • #13
    Joe Dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 138 ✭✭Joe Dog


    cagefactor wrote: »
    This is laughable. I know for fact in my county team the lads do testosterone cycles and some even go with steroids such as Anavar or Winstrol. There are SARMs going about also which increase your cardio for a short time after taking.

    If you know for a fact why don't you name some names?


  • #14
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,517 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Joe Dog wrote:
    I doubt there is a big problem as it would be almost impossible to keep quiet , however remember this is the country of Paul Kimmage so I'm sure this thread will soon be flooded by so called drugs experts who'll tell us all there is obviously a massive problem to be fixed.

    As opposed to experts who tell us it's hardly a big problem...


  • #15
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Would cocaine be considered performance enhancing? Jockey Frankie Dettori was banned from riding after testing positive for it. Or are they testing for steroids?

    Cocaine would reduce performance in most sports.


  • #16
    Peatys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Peatys


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    I’m familiar with the list. Do you know how many of the “1000s” were tested in each sport over the last five years?

    Have another read.


  • #17
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,413 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Do people really believe that GAA is the only sport in the world where PEDs are not rampant?


  • #18
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭howiya


    There's no logical argument against it. The GPA will eventually have to give in.

    The only problem I have with Sport Ireland is that they shouldn't be tying it to money due from last year. It should only be related to current grants. You can't go back in time and test someone who played last year.


  • #19
    Joe Dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 138 ✭✭Joe Dog


    Tell me how wrote: »
    As opposed to experts who tell us it's hardly a big problem...


    I said I doubt there is a big problem not there categorically wasn't a big problem.

    Some people are obviously going to cheat that's the way life is but if it is the massive problem that the Kimmage fanboys will insist there is .


  • #20
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,517 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Joe Dog wrote: »
    I said I doubt there is a big problem not there categorically wasn't a big problem.

    Some people are obviously going to cheat that's the way life is but if it is the massive problem that the Kimmage fanboys will insist there is .

    To be fair to Kimmage. He has been right every time.

    I think we need more Kimmage's who care about fair sport as opposed to typewriter fans who only want to write heroic fluff pieces.

    Maybe that makes me a fanboy...
    I'm ok if it does.:D He does good work.


  • #21
    cagefactor
    Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭cagefactor


    Joe Dog wrote: »
    If you know for a fact why don't you name some names?

    Why would I name names ? My opinion is let them take all the drugs they like, its not like there is a financial gain for anyone.


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  • #22
    ProudDUB
    Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    cagefactor wrote: »
    Why would I name names ? My opinion is let them take all the drugs they like, its not like there is a financial gain for anyone.

    Get your head out of the sand.

    All those sponsored cars high profile players drive, Littlewoods modeling gigs, Supervalu & Eir ads, Red Bull promo campaigns, energy drink endoresements etc etc....all of those happen WHY exactly?

    Because some young lad just got out of bed one morning and decided to start tweeting about how great they all are? Come on now !


  • #23
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    downthemiddle wrote: »
    I’m familiar with the list. Do you know how many of the “1000s” were tested in each sport over the last five years?
    Why do you put 1000s in quotes, it seems an accurate figure going by the list of sports and the OP clearly said 'subject to testing', not 'tested'.
    It's like you are trying to win a point that wasn't actually made.
    I put in in quotes because if we are going to have a serious debate on the subject accuracy rather than hyperbole is required. I happen to have experience of the drugs testing system in this country and it is completely inaccurate to suggest that “1000s” of amateur participants in the listed sports are subject to out of competition testing. There is a particular criteria for out of competition testing and explicit demands placed on the athletes concerned. The question is whether or not receiving a GPA grant is equivalent to funding that others receive.
    If people want to debate the subject at least stick to the facts rather than some of the nonsense that has been posted thus far


  • #24
    Peatys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Peatys


    howiya wrote: »
    There's no logical argument against it. The GPA will eventually have to give in.

    The only problem I have with Sport Ireland is that they shouldn't be tying it to money due from last year. It should only be related to current grants. You can't go back in time and test someone who played last year.

    The logical argument against it is that they are amateurs. Their down time is their own. They fully comply with testing done during training/match time.

    They do not agree to testing on their own time. They were in full compliance in 2017 so those grants should not be held back.


  • #25
    dollar bill
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭dollar bill


    Peatys wrote: »
    The logical argument against it is that they are amateurs. Their down time is their own. They fully comply with testing done during training/match time.

    They do not agree to testing on their own time. They were in full compliance in 2017 so those grants should not be held back.

    I fully agree that they complied in 2017 and should be paid but the argument that an athlete can dope away outside of competition without consequences is baloney


  • #26
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭howiya


    Peatys wrote: »
    The logical argument against it is that they are amateurs. Their down time is their own. They fully comply with testing done during training/match time.

    They do not agree to testing on their own time. They were in full compliance in 2017 so those grants should not be held back.

    I agree that the 2017 grant should not be held back and have said as much in the post you've quoted.

    People in other sports that get tested on their own time are amateurs too. They go to work, college etc like any inter county GAA player so it's not a logical argument. Why should GAA players be treated differently?


  • #27
    Peatys
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    dollar bill wrote: »
    I fully agree that they complied in 2017 and should be paid but the argument that an athlete can dope away outside of competition without consequences is baloney

    Baloney is right.


  • #28
    Peatys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Peatys


    howiya wrote: »
    I agree that the 2017 grant should not be held back and have said as much in the post you've quoted.

    People in other sports that get tested on their own time are amateurs too. They go to work, college etc like any inter county GAA player so it's not a logical argument. Why should GAA players be treated differently?

    Because the GAA lads are the ones who haven't agreed to it. Therefore, that's their argument. You may not agree with their arguement, and rightly say others do it on their own time, but to say it's not logical, is well............ illogical Captain.


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