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Tommy Robinson jailed

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  • #842
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Would I stretch that to all Muslims being a danger to cvilisation or “enemy combatants” as Tommy describes, no I wouldn’t.

    That's not at issue here. What's at issue is the "maximum extent of the law" approach taken for someone speaking his mind and saying stuff others are just not saying, while allowing others in society to make blatantly racist statements against whites and women (when it's OK to beat your wife, and how to do it correctly for example) with no sanction, or no investigation into "mortgage fraud".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36413037


  • #843
    johnp001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭johnp001


    professore wrote: »
    That's not at issue here. What's at issue is the "maximum extent of the law" approach taken for someone speaking his mind and saying stuff others are just not saying, while allowing others in society to make blatantly racist statements against whites and women (when it's OK to beat your wife, and how to do it correctly for example) with no sanction, or no investigation into "mortgage fraud".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36413037

    And to go one step further what's at issue isn't the biased application of the "maximum extent of the law" it's simply the elongation of that maximum extent.

    Whether my views make me part of the "moral majority" or the "oppressed dissidents" on any given issue I am very concerned to be living in times when the powers of governments are being expanded to criminalize and punish people speaking their mind or even making blatantly racist statements.


  • #844
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,136 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    professore wrote: »
    That's not at issue here. What's at issue is the "maximum extent of the law" approach taken for someone speaking his mind and saying stuff others are just not saying, while allowing others in society to make blatantly racist statements against whites and women (when it's OK to beat your wife, and how to do it correctly for example) with no sanction, or no investigation into "mortgage fraud".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36413037
    johnp001 wrote: »
    And to go one step further what's at issue isn't the biased application of the "maximum extent of the law" it's simply the elongation of that maximum extent.

    Whether my views make me part of the "moral majority" or the "oppressed dissidents" on any given issue I am very concerned to be living in times when the powers of governments are being expanded to criminalize and punish people speaking their mind or even making blatantly racist statements.

    tommy wasn't jailed for "speaking his mind".


  • #845
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,417 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    FTA69 wrote: »
    They say consummation took place after her menstruation. Which basically made Muhammad no different to anyone in historical Europe either. Trying to apply modern sexual standards to 1400 years ago is thick, and if we label entire civilisations "paedos" on that basis then it will also apply to us.

    Does that not make sense like?

    Source for Aisha's age is in the guardian article posted a page or two back.

    Great justifying pedos from history, I’m sure the Pakistani rape gangs use some of your arguements to justify the rape of children in their own minds then again they are racist thugs themselves and see these poor working class girls as sub human as they are not Muslim. They should be chemically castrated the lot of them!


  • #846
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    tommy wasn't jailed for "speaking his mind".
    They know.

    They don't care.


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  • #847
    weisses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,821 ✭✭✭weisses


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    Great justifying pedos from history, I’m sure the Pakistani rape gangs use some of your arguements to justify the rape of children in their own minds then again they are racist thugs themselves and see these poor working class girls as sub human as they are not Muslim. They should be chemically castrated the lot of them!

    Where is he justifying pedos ?

    Ohh it is Hyperbole Friday


  • #848
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,417 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    weisses wrote: »
    Where is he justifying pedos ?

    Ohh it is Hyperbole Friday

    lol your are great craic!


  • #849
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,180 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    Great justifying pedos from history, I’m sure the Pakistani rape gangs use some of your arguements to justify the rape of children in their own minds then again they are racist thugs themselves and see these poor working class girls as sub human as they are not Muslim. They should be chemically castrated the lot of them!

    No-one is justifying it. They are saying that you can't make a judgement on an entire group today based on what happened thousands of years ago.

    I don't think greeks are all paedophiles today because ancient greeks buggered young boys. And even if you showed me a child abuser in Greece today and pointed out that the greeks once had a history of it, I still wouldn't think the two were related.


  • #850
    weisses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,821 ✭✭✭weisses


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    lol your are great craic!

    I know



    Can you at least try to make a coherent argument as to how/why the poster is justifying pedos from History ?


  • #851
    terryduff12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭terryduff12


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    They should be chemically castrated the lot of them!
    Doesn't work, just should be stoned to death in an honour killing like they do to there wives and sisters.

    Any links to show of the mistrial that Tommie has caused yet lads??????

    Ye know there isn't

    Ye don`t care.............

    Not every muslim is bad, not every white person is a racist or bigot because they say something about islam but that doesn't fit yer narrative.


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  • #852
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,136 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    terryduff12 wrote: »
    Doesn't work, just should be stoned to death in an honour killing like they do to there wives and sisters.

    Any links to show of the mistrial that Tommie has caused yet lads??????

    Ye know there isn't

    Ye don`t care.............

    Not every muslim is bad, not every white person is a racist or bigot because they say something about islam but that doesn't fit yer narrative.

    Nobody has said he did cause a mistrial. What he did had the potential to cause a mistrial. A subtle difference i know.


  • #853
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    I see still people unable to comprehend why Tommy is in prison. Fascinating insight into the cult of personality.


  • #854
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    If I went outside the court now like Tommy did recording people on my iPhone would I be arrested, me hole I would.


  • #855
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    If I went outside the court now like Tommy did recording people on my iPhone would I be arrested, me hole I would.
    If you had a suspended sentence for streaming the names of the accused and jeopardising the trials and anonymity of victims, yep you would.

    Though maybe you could prove your point t by repeatedly doing so on all child abuse court cases in future?


  • #856
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    No one else in the video other than the police thought it appropriate he be arrested in fact the other bystanders in the video were all disguted by the actions of those standing in the court but instead Tommy Robinson is hauled into the back of a squad van its laughable.


  • #857
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Mutant z wrote: »
    No one else in the video other than the police thought it appropriate he be arrested in fact the other bystanders in the video were all disguted by the actions of those standing in the court but instead Tommy Robinson is hauled into the back of a squad van its laughable.
    Yep, law should be dictated on who can get the most 'cheers from the audience', a magnificent plan.


  • #858
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Mutant z wrote: »
    No one else in the video other than the police thought it appropriate he be arrested in fact the other bystanders in the video were all disguted by the actions of those standing in the court but instead Tommy Robinson is hauled into the back of a squad van its laughable.


    It's not their job to enforce the law though is it? What is it you are suggesting? Should the cops have ignored him and let him continue to breach the order?


  • #859
    terryduff12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭terryduff12


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    It's not their job to enforce the law though is it? What is it you are suggesting? Should the cops have ignored him and let him continue to breach the order?

    They had no problem letting the rape gangs continue when they were told about it.


  • #860
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,385 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Mutant z wrote: »
    No one else in the video other than the police thought it appropriate he be arrested in fact the other bystanders in the video were all disguted by the actions of those standing in the court but instead Tommy Robinson is hauled into the back of a squad van its laughable.

    That's because the "bystanders" are his friends and as ignorant of the law as some people here.


  • #861
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    terryduff12 wrote: »
    They had no problem letting the rape gangs continue when they were told about it.


    Same cops? Unlikely. Or are you suggesting that cops should be allowed ignore crimes if they want to?


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  • #862
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    super_furry wrote: »
    That's because the "bystanders" are his friends and as ignorant of the law as some people here.


    They aren't ignorant of the law, they just think it should be applied to a other people and not them.


  • #863
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    Great justifying pedos from history, I’m sure the Pakistani rape gangs use some of your arguements to justify the rape of children in their own minds then again they are racist thugs themselves and see these poor working class girls as sub human as they are not Muslim. They should be chemically castrated the lot of them!

    You do realise Virgin Mary was impregnated when she was about 13? At this stage she was married. It's not a nice idea but historically, the world has been a ****ed up for both girls and women. You don't seem to mind when it happens in Christianity though.


  • #864
    terryduff12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭terryduff12


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Same cops? Unlikely. Or are you suggesting that cops should be allowed ignore crimes if they want to?

    Sames establishment maybe if his skin was browne he wouldn't have been arrested as quick


  • #865
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    terryduff12 wrote: »
    Sames establishment maybe if his skin was browne he wouldn't have been arrested as quick


    Yes, the police going easy on brown people is a well known phenomenom in the UK. What's that? London riots?


  • #866
    terryduff12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭terryduff12


    pitifulgod wrote: »
    You do realise Virgin Mary was impregnated when she was about 13? At this stage she was married. It's not a nice idea but historically, the world has been a ****ed up for both girls and women. You don't seem to mind when it happens in Christianity though.

    How very dare you she was a virgin as her name is the virgin mary


  • #867
    terryduff12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭terryduff12


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Yes, the police going easy on brown people is a well known phenomenom in the UK. What's that? London riots?

    The court case Tommie was outside have a few Browne lads inside and the police and others were afraid to investigate it because they would have been seen as racists.


  • #868
    terryduff12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭terryduff12


    Which is the whole reason Tommie has gotten so popular and other far right groups because Islam gets a soft touch in England and other countries if they dont treat everyone the same this is what happens.


  • #869
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    terryduff12 wrote: »
    The court case Tommie was outside have a few Browne lads inside and the police and others were afraid to investigate it because they would have been seen as racists.


    How were they in court if the police were afraid to investigate them?


  • #870
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,180 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    If I went outside the court now like Tommy did recording people on my iPhone would I be arrested, me hole I would.

    Give it a try and we'll find out.

    It's win win for you.

    If they don't arrest you for breaking the law you can claim that police are both lazy and arbitrary.

    IF they do arrest you, you get put it prison.

    Ok, that's not quite a win for you. But if you're so sure you won't be arrested, you have nothing to lose.


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  • #871
    terryduff12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭terryduff12


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    How were they in court if the police were afraid to investigate them?

    Because reporter Andrew Norfolk of the Times exposed it all so they had little choice


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