Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Frank Bullitt · 01-06-2018 09:30AM

1 week already!

dav3 · 01-06-2018 09:30AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Hardly as you call it. Basic arithmetic.... and democracy is not dictatorship

Do you understand how democracy works though?

ELM327 · 01-06-2018 09:32AM

Graces7 wrote: »

This was about abortion not RCC. About babies not about scoring points.

This was about two things.

Healthcare equality - allowing women bodily autonomy like men
Abortion - allowing women access to abortion

It was not about "babies" or "points scoring".
The RCC made it about them when they told people to vote no and the people didnt listen. They then made the SVP waste money moving their collection bin from a church ground.

One realisation I've made in this campaign, as a recently reaffirmed atheist, is that the only religion making any logical sense or speaking in favour of women's rights, was Islam. Which shocked me. Given that in a lot of countries where Islam is the majority religion, women have no rights at all.

When your indigenous religion (RCC) is less tolerant of women's rights than Islam, you have a problem IMO.

Fighting Tao · 01-06-2018 09:33AM

Graces7 wrote: »

This was about abortion not RCC. About babies not about scoring points.

It was about women’s health and oppression to the vast majority. It was about religion to the others because the RCC says it’s bad at this particular moment in time. Then others it was about controlling women. Then some more controlling women to the detriment of the health and even life because of a foetus. To a few it was solely about abortion as most has the aforementioned reasons behind their ideals.

It was a kick in the balls to te RCC because they put so much effort into getting the referendum passed in 1983.

However, you want to dance in circles again. The dance is over, the lights have come on.

Wanderer78 · 01-06-2018 09:34AM

dav3 wrote:

Do you understand how democracy works though?

Again, we do not have democratic control, this is a serious misunderstanding of many in society

gmisk · 01-06-2018 09:34AM

Anyone any idea when these ICBR people are shipping back to wherever they came from?
They were at Heuston station this morning, the scumbags.

Fighting Tao · 01-06-2018 09:36AM

gmisk wrote: »

Anyone any idea when these ICBR people are shipping back to wherever they came from?
They were at Heuston station this morning, the scumbags.

The joys of being on the dole with loads of free time on their hands. Either that or they are secret millionaires or dare I say it, getting paid by their friends in the states to do what they do.

ArmaniJeanss · 01-06-2018 09:37AM

dav3 wrote: »

You're quite right this is the beginning. The beginning of the end.

After the resounding, emphatic yes vote a week ago, only the most delusional people in this country would see it otherwise.

I think Wanderers point is that things can change quite quickly against you just when you think you've won. History is littered with periods where countries (even the world) pretty much regressed, sometimes for short periods of years and other times for centuries (you could easily argue that Southern Europe in 100AD was a better more progressive society to live in than it was by 1300AD, thats a regressive period of over a millennium).

Fighting Tao · 01-06-2018 09:40AM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I think Wanderers point is that things can change quite quickly against you just when you think you've won. History is littered with periods where countries (even the world) pretty much regressed, sometimes for short periods of years and other times for centuries (you could easily argue that Southern Europe in 100AD was a better more progressive society to live in than it was by 1300AD, thats a regressive period of over a millennium).

We don't live centuries ago. Back then communication could be impossible at times. With only 21% of the electorate voting No, this is safe for the future. The chance of Ireland regressing is miniscule.

Wanderer78 · 01-06-2018 09:42AM

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

I think Wanderers point is that things can change quite quickly against you just when you think you've won. History is littered with periods where countries (even the world) pretty much regressed, sometimes for short periods of years and other times for centuries (you could easily argue that Southern Europe in 100AD was a better more progressive society to live in than it was by 1300AD, thats a regressive period of over a millennium).

Agree, but I'd go a little further, a lot of my thinking on institutional power and control ultimately comes from Chomskys work, of course I could be overthinking this particular matter, but....

dav3 · 01-06-2018 09:44AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Again, we do not have democratic control, this is a serious misunderstanding of many in society

I get it. It's the lizard people and George Soros who are pulling the strings.

ELM327 · 01-06-2018 09:44AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Again, we do not have democratic control, this is a serious misunderstanding of many in society

So are we being governed by the wizard of oz?

What happened this day last week, when the majority of people voted for something and that vote of the majority got implemented ?

TheValeyard · 01-06-2018 09:44AM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

We don't live centuries ago. Back then communication could be impossible at times. With only 21% of the electorate voting No, this is safe for the future. The chance of Ireland regressing is miniscule.

History has shown repeatedly, how societies can swing from left to right or right to left in a short space of time. All you need is the right set of conditions and timing.

ELM327 · 01-06-2018 09:46AM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

History has shown repeatedly, how societies can swing from left to right or right to left in a short space of time. All you need is the right set of conditions and timing.

Societies rarely swing from left to right. Show me an example from the last 200 years, where religion was not involved.

Fighting Tao · 01-06-2018 09:47AM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

History has shown repeatedly, how societies can swing from left to right or right to left in a short space of time. All you need is the right set of conditions and timing.

Swings don't really happen when the population is highly educated and they have more access to information.

If it happens I will donate €100 to the Santa Strike Force, like we are all awaiting an outlaw to do at the moment

Shurimgreat · 01-06-2018 09:50AM

This thread is actually hilarious at this stage.
The Yes side complains that No siders won't respond or post on the thread.
The odd No sider attempts it.
They are subjected to immature attacks like the one below.
They stop bothering to post on the thread.
The Yes sides start complaining again that No siders won't post.
And you wonder why most No siders don't bother?

ELM327 wrote: »

Haha.
You're funny.
You most certainly did not vote yes.
We are done with the no side. They can go away now, just like they did after the divorce referendum, the SSM marriage referendum, when contraception was brought in, etc etc ad infinitum.
You cannot block progress and civil liberty.

ELM327 · 01-06-2018 09:50AM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Swings to the social right don't really happen when the population is highly educated and they have more access to information.

If it happens I will donate €100 to the Santa Strike Force, like we are all awaiting an outlaw to do at the moment

FYP
We're witnessing a swing to the social left at the moment in Ireland so it does happen that way.

ELM327 · 01-06-2018 09:52AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

This thread is actually hilarious at this stage.
The Yes side complains that No siders won't respond or post on the thread.
The odd No sider attempts it.
They are subjected to immature attacks like the one below.
They stop bothering to post on the thread.
The Yes sides start complaining again that No siders don't post.
And you wonder why most No siders don't bother?
One sided thread of the century

2:1
only 21% of the electorate voted no.
21st century.

It's done. Put down your sour grapes before they hatch.

7aubzxk43m2sni · 01-06-2018 09:52AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

This thread is actually hilarious at this stage.
The Yes side complains that No siders won't respond or post on the thread.
The odd No sider attempts it.
They are subjected to immature attacks like the one below.
They stop bothering to post on the thread.
The Yes sides start complaining again that No siders won't post.
And you wonder why most No siders don't bother?

Yeah the whole thing is farcical.

Fighting Tao · 01-06-2018 09:52AM

ELM327 wrote: »

FYP
We're witnessing a swing to the social left at the moment in Ireland so it does happen that way.

Thank you kind person

Beechwoodspark · 01-06-2018 09:53AM

Pro life /anti choice ppl protesting outside Heuston station this morning. Big Graphic posters.

Garda squad parked nearby monitoring the situation.

Is this the new normal now?

ELM327 · 01-06-2018 09:54AM

Mavis Warm Stranger wrote: »

Yeah the whole thing is farcical.

Poor diddums
Have you read the news today old boy?
About a lucky man who made the grade
And though the news was rather sad
Well, I just had to laugh...... as we have moved to the 21st century and given women their autonomy.

ELM327 · 01-06-2018 09:55AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Pro life /anti choice ppl protesting outside Heuston station this morning. Big Graphic posters.

Garda squad parked nearby monitoring the situation.

Is this the new normal now?

They're just waiting for the airport bus, don't worry, their flight is later.

Shurimgreat · 01-06-2018 09:58AM

ELM327 wrote: »

2:1
only 21% of the electorate voted no.
21st century.

It's done. Put down your sour grapes before they hatch.

As I said, immature posts like this are pretty much the reason the thread has died and become little more than a Yes side circle jerk that most No siders wouldn't touch with the longest of barge poles.

ohnonotgmail · 01-06-2018 09:58AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Poor diddums
Have you read the news today old boy?
About a lucky man who made the grade
And though the news was rather sad
Well, I just had to laugh...... as we have moved to the 21st century and given women their autonomy.

i think the original flowed better.

ELM327 · 01-06-2018 10:08AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

As I said, immature posts like this are pretty much the reason the thread has died and become little more than a Yes side circle jerk that most No siders wouldn't touch with the longest of barge poles.

If it's a circle jerk then I will indulge in one.

ArmaniJeanss · 01-06-2018 10:11AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

As I said, immature posts like this are pretty much the reason the thread has died and become little more than a Yes side circle jerk that most No siders wouldn't touch with the longest of barge poles.

Meh, we were told that about the original 4 threads as well. The No voters wouldn't touch them apparently for bullying or something, and we were to wait to see the results on the day of voting to see how out-of-touch with reality the threads actually were.

Fighting Tao · 01-06-2018 10:13AM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Meh, we were told that about the original 4 threads as well. The No voters wouldn't touch them apparently for bullying or something, and we were to wait to see the results on the day of voting to see how out-of-touch with reality the threads actually were.

They complained about being outnumbered here too even though they only register as 21% of the total electorate and even less of the total number of people eligible to register to vote.

Looks like Iona didn’t come to save them.

Fighting Tao · 01-06-2018 10:15AM

I actually find the circle jerk idea funny. If you look at the No sides posts the same posters thank most of them regardless of what they say. Mind all those babies you are killing there guys!

7aubzxk43m2sni · 01-06-2018 10:19AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

They're just trying to create a narrative that they're being silenced. Never mind the fact that opposing and even ridiculing other people's ideas doesn't amount to silencing them.

No, but at the same time ridiculing people's posts and acting hysterical and immature so often does not encourage discussion.

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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