The Adoption Scandal

Mint Sauce · 30-05-2018 09:12PM #1

Apologies if there is already a thread on this, cant see it at the moment, but it seems some of the most vunerable in our society, our children, have been fcuked over again.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0530/966986-adoption/

Its emerged that between 1946 and 1969 there has been at least 126 cases, where children were adopted, that those who adopted them, were named as the birth parents. You really have to wonder just how bad it was for kids in our our so called Christian Country, if they were not abused by the Church, they were dumped in the laundrys, and now some of them, will never know their real parents, and any real parents were pretty much told to forget about them.

It also seems, that this 126 is only the tip of the iceberg. Just a shame, that alot of those responsible, will probably by never held accountable, or answer why they did what they did. Feeling so mad hearing and reading about this today.

:mad:

30-05-2018 09:14PM

I don't understand this. I'm assuming their adoptive parents knew but still chose to hide the truth from them?

Cee-Jay-Cee · 30-05-2018 09:15PM

Ah don’t worry the next scandal will be along shortly and this one will be forgotten about.

nowaynever · 30-05-2018 09:24PM

Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?

SEPT 23 1989 · 30-05-2018 09:27PM

did Leo mention the dark days of 2018 when 4000 children were homeless?

Anyway back to the latest scandal

Joe Dog · 30-05-2018 09:28PM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Apologies if there is already a thread on this, cant see it at the moment, but it seems some of the most vunerable in our society, our children, have been fcuked over again.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0530/966986-adoption/

Its emerged that between 1946 and 1969 there has been at least 126 cases, where children were adopted, that those who adopted them, were named as the birth parents. You really have to wonder just how bad it was for kids in our our so called Christian Country, if they were not abused by the Church, they were dumped in the laundrys, and now some of them, will never know their real parents, and any real parents were pretty much told to forget about them.

It also seems, that this 126 is only the tip of the iceberg. Just a shame, that alot of those responsible, will probably by never held accountable, or answer why they did what they did. Feeling so mad hearing and reading about this today.

:mad:

The people who are in the main the most accountable are the parents and families of these women who allowed them to be put into these homes.

They have way way more responsibility than the church or the government of the times (even though they obviously have to shoulder some of the blame).

nowaynever · 30-05-2018 09:28PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

did Leo mention the dark days of 2018 when 4000 children were homeless?

Anyway back to the latest scandal

All in tents along the canal were they?

Electric Sheep · 30-05-2018 09:32PM

Joe Dog wrote: »

The people who are in the main the most accountable are the parents and families of these women who allowed them to be put into these homes.

They have way way more responsibility than the church or the government of the times (even though they obviously have to shoulder some of the blame).

You don't think the adoptive parents who allowed the falsification of records should also be held accountable?

McCrack · 30-05-2018 09:36PM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Apologies if there is already a thread on this, cant see it at the moment, but it seems some of the most vunerable in our society, our children, have been fcuked over again.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0530/966986-adoption/

Its emerged that between 1946 and 1969 there has been at least 126 cases, where children were adopted, that those who adopted them, were named as the birth parents. You really have to wonder just how bad it was for kids in our our so called Christian Country, if they were not abused by the Church, they were dumped in the laundrys, and now some of them, will never know their real parents, and any real parents were pretty much told to forget about them.

It also seems, that this 126 is only the tip of the iceberg. Just a shame, that alot of those responsible, will probably by never held accountable, or answer why they did what they did. Feeling so mad hearing and reading about this today.

:mad:

Leaving aside the issue at present I would think the majority of adopted people consider their "real parents" the ones that raised them and not their biological ones.

Klonker · 30-05-2018 09:36PM

I'm going to be honest and I'll probably be shot down for it, I don't think this is that big of a deal.

Wrong? Most definitely and shouldn't have happened but I just don't think it's a huge deal even to those affected.

Joe Dog · 30-05-2018 09:37PM

Electric Sheep wrote: »

You don't think the adoptive parents who allowed the falsification of records should also be held accountable?

It may be wrong but I would imagine adoptive parents always have the worry of being replaced when the children find out and being abandoned by the child they adopted. I'm willing to give people like that a pass as if you adopt a child in the first place you seem to be a decent enough individual.

The people who allowed their children to be put in this state run homes are the people who should take most of the blame, people tend to forget that the church were not armed so there is no real excuse.

odyssey06 · 30-05-2018 09:39PM

No good can come from opening up this can of worms. Let sleeping dogs lie.

TheValeyard · 30-05-2018 09:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't understand this. I'm assuming their adoptive parents knew but still chose to hide the truth from them?

Yeah, they had to have known. Maybe shame of not conceiving a child themselves or not wanting it to be known the child was adopted? light rights or something?, ive no idea? Bizarre time our recent past.

30-05-2018 09:40PM

Joe Dog wrote: »

It may be wrong but I would imagine adoptive parents always have the worry of being replaced when the children find out and being abandoned by the child they adopted. I'm willing to give people like that a pass as if you adopt a child in the first place you seem to be a decent enough individual.

The people who allowed their children to be put in this state run homes are the people who should take most of the blame, people tend to forget that the church were not armed so there is no real excuse.

It's not that simple. Not telling a child that they are adopted can have serious affects on that child. Now the truth maybe be kept out of compassion and fear but really it isn't in the best interests of the children. They must be put first.

TheValeyard · 30-05-2018 09:40PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

No good can come from opening up this can of worms. Let sleeping dogs lie.

No, truth needs to come out, even on health grounds. The health of your parents (genetics, inherited diseases, etc) May not affect you at all, but a whole different unknown set of conditions.

On medical grounds alone, people need to know the truth about their past.

buried · 30-05-2018 09:41PM

Great how they can sit on these stories and then dish them out to the media who can main headline them, while down at Dublin Castle the most shocking tales of absolute, corrupt, criminal dogF**KERY is being reported just before the Sports news on TV news.

TheValeyard · 30-05-2018 09:42PM

buried wrote: »

Great how they can sit on these stories and then dish them out to the media who can main headline them when down at Dublin Castle the most shocking tales of absolute, corrupt, criminal dogF**KERY is being dished just before the Sports news.

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Joe Dog · 30-05-2018 09:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not that simple. Not telling a child that they are adopted can have serious affects on that child. Now the truth maybe be kept out of compassion and fear but really it isn't in the best interests of the children. They must be put first.

I know it's not right to withhold the information but I can completely understand why someone would do this.

With all the talk of "empathy" in the last while maybe people should have some "empathy" for the parents who adopted children and understand why they would withhold the information.

BTW: I put empathy is quotation marks because I think some people just use that word because its emotive and suits their agenda rather than actually meaning it.

buried · 30-05-2018 09:44PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

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You don't know whats being said at the 'Disclosures Tribunal' down at Dublin Castle, Murray?

Jimbob1977 · 30-05-2018 09:46PM

I thought most biological parents wouldn't want to be traced in the Ireland of the 1940s to 1970s.

Hence, the organisation believed (rightly or wrongly) that the subterfuge was preferable.

TheValeyard · 30-05-2018 09:46PM

buried wrote: »

You don't know whats being said at the 'Disclosures Tribunal' down at Dublin Castle, Murray?

Ah no, I read about that! Yeah, horrible stuff!!

But tbh, so much scandal and shocking stories these days, its easy to get lost in it

30-05-2018 09:46PM

Joe Dog wrote: »

I know it's not right to withhold the information but I can completely understand why someone would do this.

With all the talk of "empathy" in the last while maybe people should have some "empathy" for the parents who adopted children and understand why they would withhold the information.

BTW: I put empathy is quotation marks because I think some people just use that word because its emotive and suits their agenda rather than actually meaning it.

Oh believe me I understand completely about the position adopted parents find themselves in but my understanding doesn't mean I don't believe they should withhold information from the child.

odyssey06 · 30-05-2018 09:46PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

No, truth needs to come out, even on health grounds. The health of your parents (genetics, inherited diseases, etc) May not affect you at all, but a whole different unknown set of conditions.
On medical grounds alone, people need to know the truth about their past.

I don't think they do, need to. Small remote chance it might be helpful but I'm not seeing a need.

These people are at least in their 50s by now. Some are in their 70s.
Their biological parents are most likely dead.

What are the chances that (a) they have an inherited disease which has not yet manifested and (b) will be able to track down their biological parents or their medical records and (c) that information will be medically useful?

spurious · 30-05-2018 09:50PM

I'd be more concerned about the effect of finding out that the people closest to them lied to them all their lives.

strandroad · 30-05-2018 09:52PM

They might know that they were adopted, their parents knew obviously and might have shared the knowledge with the children (some probably withheld it though). It's the documentation that is fake, not necessarily their life stories as told in the family.

30-05-2018 09:56PM

The best outcome with adoption is for the child to have no memory of even being told, it's something that's just part of who they are. Mam and dad would have been saying it to them from a very young age. If this doesn't happen then there is the situation of "when is the best time to tell". Can you imagine telling a 20 yr old everything they thought to be true actually isn't?

Now I think there does reach a point where telling the adopted person isn't a good idea and that's if they are very elderly. What good would it do to tell an 80 yr old they are not the biological son or daughter of their parents?

So it's best to do so at the very beginning and save so much heartache.

tretorn · 30-05-2018 09:58PM

There is also the question of inheritance and some people wont welcome a half sibling arriving for their share of the inheritance

30-05-2018 10:00PM

tretorn wrote: »

There is also the question of inheritance and some people wont welcome a half sibling arriving for their share of the inheritance

As far as I know adoptees have no claim on the family of origin's inheritance

HeidiHeidi · 30-05-2018 10:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

As far as I know adoptees have no claim on the family of origin's inheritance

But they might imagine they have a claim on their adoptive famiy inheritance since they think they're biological children of that family going by their birth certs. Without a legal adoption cert, they're actually unrelated.

Heard a fella talking about this on the radio today. I have to say I didn't think it was that big a deal until that was pointed out.

downwesht · 30-05-2018 10:08PM

I wonder how many of the adoptees were children of priests and nuns.....?The religious orders must be held to account.CAB should collect the reparation money and use it to fund the investigations so that the real truth comes out.

uck51js9zml2yt · 30-05-2018 10:10PM

This isnt a new story. Its been known about for years just like the kids who were disappeared to the U.S,Canada and Australia.

Everybody was complicate in what happened. The parents who gave up their kids, the adopters, the church, the state. Society in general. Are we to lock up everybody?

The Adoption Scandal

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