Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

molloyjh · 29-05-2018 07:36AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Paddy Jackson off to waikato the latest rumours.

He’s taking a meeting with La Rochelle first though. As a courtesy.

Too soon????

Burkie1203 · 29-05-2018 07:44AM

molloyjh wrote: »

He’s taking a meeting with La Rochelle first though. As a courtesy.

Too soon????

Red card heading your way

stephen_n · 29-05-2018 07:54AM

Squatter wrote: »

But do you really need twitter? Or are you capable of existing without it? Because if you are, they why in the name of Gawd do you give a tuppenny fuck about what some unknown airhead with the IQ of a tomato tweets about anything under the sun? Seriously?

Forget about twitter and live your life.

I don’t use twitter or Facebook, though I’ve read some of the stuff linked here and that’s more than enough.

Buer · 29-05-2018 08:20AM

That would be a decent enough move for Jackson in terms of putting everything behind him. I assume he would play in the NPC this year and then seek a move to the Super Rugby side for next season? It takes him far away from the situation here and, whilst the money won't be fantastic, he'll continue to play at a high level (if he's contracted to a Super Rugby side) which will help maintain his market value if he can then return to Europe.

jr86 · 29-05-2018 08:29AM

In fairness I use Twitter rarely myself but you'd have to pretty much avoid the internet completely to not have seen the vitriol directed at Jackson (mainly) and Olding during and after the trial

Twitter has its uses, so for many its not a case of just "forgetting about it". And sponsors have clearly been heeding reaction on it

Anyway its refreshing to see all the well wishes directed at Stuart yesterday and I hope he goes on to have a stellar career. Given the positive reaction and if he can stay fit and return to his old form, as well as stay out of any trouble which I'm sure he will, I can definitely see him getting a big money move or contract renewal in 2 years

Jackson is a lot trickier. Moving to NZ would absolutely make sense but he has a long way to go before he would be considered by a big club in Europe I'd imagine. But if he can keep the head down and do some good off the field, and of course return to form of old, then maybe his market value will rise in time. Again I hope this development is true, and that he too can go on and have a stellar career

irishbucsfan · 29-05-2018 08:36AM

From a rugby perspective it would be extremely interesting to see how he develops. 3 or 4 years down there and he could become a very interesting option for a side in the NH (although very very unlikely that'll be in Ireland).

Former Former · 29-05-2018 08:39AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Paddy Jackson off to waikato the latest rumours.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/waikato-option-for-former-ulster-player-paddy-jackson-36956163.html

Even for the Indo, that is flimsy as bejaysus. Gibbes "may investigate the possibility" - what does that even mean?

Going to the far side of the world to play for peanuts in a semi-pro competition would be a serious come down.

prawnsambo · 29-05-2018 08:42AM

stephen_n wrote: »

I don’t use twitter or Facebook, though I’ve read some of the stuff linked here and that’s more than enough.

Well a lot of the stuff that's posted here from twitter is team announcements, signing announcements, video clips of great bits of play and other news and rumours.

If I'm not in a position to watch a match (and that goes for AIL matches too), twitter is my go to app to keep up with the scores.

You have to go looking for the other crap. That's on you if you do.

stephen_n · 29-05-2018 09:14AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Well a lot of the stuff that's posted here from twitter is team announcements, signing announcements, video clips of great bits of play and other news and rumours.

If I'm not in a position to watch a match (and that goes for AIL matches too), twitter is my go to app to keep up with the scores.

You have to go looking for the other crap. That's on you if you do.

You have to go looking, when the comments are directly below the tweets? Seriously?

jr86 · 29-05-2018 09:27AM

Anyone I follow on twitter are news outlets, personal friends and acquaintances

I like to scroll the odd time on the bus or if I have a few minutes free or whatever - it's incredibly handy to quickly catch up on any news

If someone I follow even likes an anti PJ/Olding rambling on Twitter it shows up on my news feed, so it's pretty much impossible to avoid

Unless of course I followed no-one really, which would be lovely and sociable

launish116 · 29-05-2018 10:15AM

Twitter is very good for rumours, news. Have a pure rugby twitter account and follow 200+ peeps! really good but does get repititve

Wheeker · 29-05-2018 10:23AM

Faugheen wrote: »

It was the sponsor of Sale's stadium that kicked up about Jackson and Olding wasn't it?

Someone else said it here, Olding came out at the end of the trial much better than Jackson did, and is better off out on his own. Jackson's made his own mess.

Despite the fact I don't hold either in high regard because of their blatant mistreatment of the woman in question, Olding at least acknowledged that she wasn't happy with what went on even if he disagreed with her perception of the night. He sounded like he regretted it for a number of reasons and not just the impact it's having on his own career.

He's signed for a club now, and I wish him well.

"The BBC reported that investment firm AJ Bell aired their concerns over the transfer speculation to director of rugby Steve Diamond, however, a spokesman for the company denied that they objected to the move.
"We contacted the club to discuss the uncertainty created by the rumours. No more than that," the Investment Firm said in a statement.
"It is totally wrong to say we objected to the move."

As above, I think this was totally exaggerated/overplayed, as has pretty much every reaction since the trial concluded.

TBH I am relieved this rugby season has finally finished. Very mixed emotions on probably the best ever season in Irish history (Grand Slam & Leinster's double) being tainted (for me) by the worst season in Ulster's history, both on & off the pitch. Hopefully Jackson & Olding can now be allowed to move on & try to rebuild their careers.......

Squidgy Black · 29-05-2018 10:36AM

Former Former wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/waikato-option-for-former-ulster-player-paddy-jackson-36956163.html

Even for the Indo, that is flimsy as bejaysus. Gibbes "may investigate the possibility" - what does that even mean?

Going to the far side of the world to play for peanuts in a semi-pro competition would be a serious come down.

It's pure speculation, Gibbes is the new Waikato coach so that's where they're making the assumption that he'll look at bringing Jackson in.

It doesn't sound like there's any substance behind it at all other than them just saying it could be a possibility.

bilston · 29-05-2018 04:33PM

Wheeker wrote: »

Faugheen wrote: »

It was the sponsor of Sale's stadium that kicked up about Jackson and Olding wasn't it?

Someone else said it here, Olding came out at the end of the trial much better than Jackson did, and is better off out on his own. Jackson's made his own mess.

Despite the fact I don't hold either in high regard because of their blatant mistreatment of the woman in question, Olding at least acknowledged that she wasn't happy with what went on even if he disagreed with her perception of the night. He sounded like he regretted it for a number of reasons and not just the impact it's having on his own career.

He's signed for a club now, and I wish him well.

"The BBC reported that investment firm AJ Bell aired their concerns over the transfer speculation to director of rugby Steve Diamond, however, a spokesman for the company denied that they objected to the move.
"We contacted the club to discuss the uncertainty created by the rumours. No more than that," the Investment Firm said in a statement.
"It is totally wrong to say we objected to the move."

As above, I think this was totally exaggerated/overplayed, as has pretty much every reaction since the trial concluded.

TBH I am relieved this rugby season has finally finished. Very mixed emotions on probably the best ever season in Irish history (Grand Slam & Leinster's double) being tainted (for me) by the worst season in Ulster's history, both on & off the pitch. Hopefully Jackson & Olding can now be allowed to move on & try to rebuild their careers.......

Thank you for posting that quote. I knew I had read a denial from the Sale sponsors. I think it was Prawnsambo who wanted me to post it...well there you go...wheeker did it for me

prawnsambo · 29-05-2018 05:17PM

stephen_n wrote: »

You have to go looking, when the comments are directly below the tweets? Seriously?

They're only directly below the tweets when you tap on the tweet. You don't need to do that if you're only interested in what the origiinal tweet says.

And you have to be following someone who tweets on the subject that arouses the ire of the great mass of the unthinking.

MJohnston · 29-05-2018 09:19PM

Wasn't it great for that few weeks where we were just talking about Ulster Rugby?

launish116 · 30-05-2018 08:51AM

MJohnston wrote: »

Wasn't it great for that few weeks where we were just talking about Ulster Rugby?

When's the last time we had something positive to talk about.... Pr band wagons scraping the barrel constantly! we need some signings and a CEO to step down. Clarification on when we'll actually have a coach? and the list goes on.

$ausage$ · 30-05-2018 10:56AM

Back room staff confirmed and announced in next few weeks.

NOT CEO

EDIT** an assistant coach

stephen_n · 30-05-2018 03:17PM

What’s worrying is the lack of even credible rumours of signings. Ulster need to be busy in the transfer market and there seems to be very little happening.

bilston · 30-05-2018 04:42PM

Outs
Callum Black
Robbie Diack
Paul Marshall
Paddy Jackson
Stuart Olding
Tommy Bowe
Andrew Trimble
Jared Payne
Charles Piutau

In
Marty Moore
Jordi Murphy
Will Addison

That list of outs in the backs would make you cry.

bilston · 30-05-2018 04:47PM

Team for next season...as it stands...

1 Andy Warwick
2 Rory Best
3 Marty Moore
4 Alan O'Connor
5 Iain Henderson
6 Jordi Murphy
7 Sean Reidy
8 Marcel Coetzee
9 John Cooney
10 Johnny McPhillips
11 Jacob Stockdale
12 Stuart McCloskey
13 Darren Cave
14 Craig Gilroy
15 Will Addison

Bench
16 Rob Herring, 17 Kyle McCall, 18 Tom O'Toole, 19 Kieran Treadwell, 20 Jean Deysel/Nick Timoney, 21 Dave Shanahan, 22 Angus Curtis, 23 David Busby

With Marshall and Ludik out for some time we need to sign up to outside backs. Otherwise we will be flogging teenagers like Curtis, Hume and Kernohan. Curtis looks well able for it, but the other two are complete unknowns at this level.

launish116 · 30-05-2018 05:01PM

As for signing we’re litterally 1 or 2 injuries from another season wrecked before it begins! Do we know how bad Deysel injury is?

Still need a loosehead, 2nd row, back up scrum half, outhalf, centre/wing. If anything we’re nearly worse than last season, bar Jordi!

I really don’t think Moore will hold the starting tight head slot!

awec · 30-05-2018 05:11PM

The squad is really, really thin. Ulster get a pass on the 10 situation because this was not a mess of their own making, but all the other positions should have been filled long ago.

bilston · 30-05-2018 05:14PM

launish116 wrote: »

As for signing we’re litterally 1 or 2 injuries from another season wrecked before it begins! Do we know how bad Deysel injury is?

Still need a loosehead, 2nd row, back up scrum half, outhalf, centre/wing. If anything we’re nearly worse than last season, bar Jordi!

I really don’t think Moore will hold the starting tight head slot!

I agree with the last bit. I think by the end of the season O'Toole may own the TH spot, but he is very young. Kane was going well too before he got injured. That said a motivated Moore will be a great addition.

Squidgy Black · 30-05-2018 05:18PM

awec wrote: »

The squad is really, really thin. Ulster get a pass on the 10 situation because this was not a mess of their own making, but all the other positions should have been filled long ago.

Even just numbers wise it's cutting it close.

I hope for Ulster's sake that it isn't left too late with players brought in simply to make up the numbers.

bilston · 30-05-2018 05:20PM

awec wrote: »

The squad is really, really thin. Ulster get a pass on the 10 situation because this was not a mess of their own making, but all the other positions should have been filled long ago.

The outside backs situation is actually a serious crisis now...worse than Korea

These are our outside backs

Centres
McCloskey
Cave
Marshall
Curtis

Wings
Gilroy
Stockdale
Lyttle

Full Back
Addison
Ludik
Busby

That's 10 outside backs in our squad (not including Academy players) two of whom have serious knee injuries, one who doesn't look good enough (sorry Busby), and one who is 19 years old.

Have I forgotten anyone?

That isn't sustainable at all.

As you say Jackson/Olding is out of our control, but they knew Charles was leaving, they knew Bowe was retiring some time ago, they probably had a good idea Payne was gone.

Personally I'd be begging Trimble to rethink his retirement. There is something odd about the way he has finished up.

launish116 · 30-05-2018 05:27PM

bilston wrote: »

I agree with the last bit. I think by the end of the season O'Toole may own the TH spot, but he is very young. Kane was going well too before he got injured. That said a motivated Moore will be a great addition.

Agreed! Kane is very good, just worries me he’s goes down injured a lot! O’toole Could seriously challenge this year! Hopefully Moore will be pushed by the competition!

As for the backline, Addison can cover centre, wing, fullback. But to be fair i’d Prefer he locks one position down! Instead of juggling him about.

How times have reversed with forward/back stocks.

Got the impression Trimble had a falling out with management.

thomond2006 · 30-05-2018 06:11PM

Looking at the backs situation it's a pity that Rory Scholes left when he did. He seems to have faded into obscurity at Connacht. He moved to Edinburgh a few years too early, they were a shambles when he went there.

Ulster could probably do with an ROM type player to add depth.

launish116 · 30-05-2018 06:18PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Looking at the backs situation it's a pity that Rory Scholes left when he did. He seems to have faded into obscurity at Connacht. He moved to Edinburgh a few years too early, they were a shambles when he went there.

Ulster could probably do with an ROM type player to add depth.

He left on a High and just disappeared! Never understood why he wasn’t clawed back! He’s resigned with Connacht!

Throw him and McCallister in and you already improve the squad! Wonder what Whittens contract situation is?

awec · 30-05-2018 06:20PM

I don't think it's depth we need, we have players you could consider backups. We need some real quality; we are very light in the back three. We won't get another Piutau but we need someone closer to that standard than another squad filler type.

That said, it seems unlikely we'll get anything of a good standard at this stage, so we might have to just take what we can get. But really we're one or two injuries away from being in big trouble.

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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