Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

B0jangles · 29-05-2018 12:05PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is what I decided following my conversation with the canvasser if you read the post again.

It is the individual v the greater good.

Others try to turn it into a feminist war or a religious war.

That is it in simple terms for me.

Have you volunteered to donate a kidney to anyone who needs it?

Bit selfish of you to hang on to two when you only need one to live a perfectly healthy life.

(Judging by the standards you have set for other people to live by anyway.)

gormdubhgorm · 29-05-2018 12:07PM

see bleow

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end of the road · 29-05-2018 12:07PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Don't buy it.... just be honest you were No, no matter what. Blaming the legislature is an excuse and easily seen through.

it's a perfectly legitimate reason. just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it otherwise. if he says he voted no because he doesn't trust the politicians then that is why he voted no

SusieBlue · 29-05-2018 12:08PM

I can't believe the referendum is over and people are still putting forward the same nonsensical arguments as if it never happened.

B0jangles · 29-05-2018 12:09PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Newsflash - by this logic you should be donating all of your organs, money and home to those who have a need for them.

I will when I die

LOL - the generosity of giving everything when you no longer need or want it!

robarmstrong · 29-05-2018 12:09PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

see bleow

Might be news to you but yano, there's a woman surrounding that uterus that may not take kindly to you forcing her to remain pregnant because other people can't get pregnant.

Triceratops Ballet · 29-05-2018 12:11PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is what I decided following my conversation with the canvasser if you read the post again.

It is the individual v the greater good.

Others try to turn it into a feminist war or a religious war.

That is it in simple terms for me.

What is the greater good? what does that phrase mean in this context?

It is not more selfish to have an abortion because you want one than it is to have a child because you want one, they are both scenarios in which people are acting out their individual desires.

strandroad · 29-05-2018 12:11PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is what I decided following my conversation with the canvasser if you read the post again.

It is the individual v the greater good.

Others try to turn it into a feminist war or a religious war.

That is it in simple terms for me.

This selfish thing is so tiring. Many if not most women actually consider the needs of their existing families as well as their own health and wellbeing when they are faced with an unexpected pregnancy. We are not all pink haired selfish millennial hussies you know.

gormdubhgorm · 29-05-2018 12:12PM

See below.

B0jangles wrote: »

Have you volunteered to donate a kidney to anyone who needs it?

Bit selfish of you to hang on to two when you only need one to live a perfectly healthy life.

You are correct if I was compatable I would

(Judging by the standards you have set for other people to live by anyway.)

Billy86 · 29-05-2018 12:16PM

gormdubhgorm, you might have missed my post so I'll ask again as it's been increasingly frustrating that I have not once got an answer on this from a 'no' voter taking the moral high ground about "putting up with the pain for the greater good" and whatnot.

Can I ask what you have done to help the mothers of unwanted pregnancies, families who wind up with a child they cannot afford, the children neglected as a result of not being wanted, etc?

Because I heard that "putting up with pain for the greater good" type of stuff over and over and over and over through the campaign from the no side, but genuinely not once -not one single time- when I have asked what they do on this front to help after birth, have I got an answer. And unless someone has been doing doing a significant amount to assist in these situations, they are not "putting up" with any pain whatsoever - they're just volunteering others to do so on their behalf in order to feel better about themselves.

gormdubhgorm · 29-05-2018 12:17PM

strandroad wrote: »

This selfish thing is so tiring. Many if not most women actually consider the needs of their existing families as well as their own health and wellbeing when they are faced with an unexpected pregnancy. We are not all pink haired selfish millennial hussies you know.

Why is it tiring that is what it comes down to for most hardliners (in particular) as proven in this thread.

Some going on about "slut-shaming" (that is code for argument lost in my mind when a person uses these terms - saddens me if I am honest)

I have a flavor of it now from reading the comments to my comments.

I just hope the hardliners are controlled by the moderates.

That is all I have to say on it.

kylith · 29-05-2018 12:17PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

kylith wrote: »

Well, your attitude _was_ patronising. Pregnancy isn’t a bit of discomfort for 9 months, it is potentially hypermyesis, low blood pressure, high blood pressure, diabetes, pre-eclampsia, and SPD (the loosening of your joints to the point that your pelvis separates), followed by the agony of birth, complications of episiotomy such as infection and pain having sex forever, and lifelong stress incontinence.

Those are extreme consequences there are extreme consequences to abortion too.

It is still just 9 months when all is said and done.

No, they are not extreme. Every woman in my family has gotten gestational diabetes. Severe morning sickness is not unusual. Sciatica (arse cramps that leave you unable to walk, and feeling like one of your legs is being pulled clean off) is an _expected, normal side effect of being pregnant_. Eclampsia used to be a major killer, and still has no cure bar delivery. Loosening if the joints is not just normal, it’s _essential_ that it happens or the head _will not fit_ through the pelvis. If you think the stuff I’ve mentioned is one-in-a-million complications you’re sadly deluded.

And I’m not even bringing up the everyday stuff like insomnia, exhaustion, needing to pee all the goddam time, shortness of breath and acid reflux due to the foetus shoving all your organs into your rib cage, and Oh my gods this infernal, incessant fcking heat!

B0jangles · 29-05-2018 12:18PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

See below.

If you were really unselfish you'd get tested and make yourself available to anyone who shows up as a possible match.

ohnonotgmail · 29-05-2018 12:19PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Why is it tiring that is what it comes down to for most hardliners (in particular) as proven in this thread.

Some going on about "slut-shaming" (that is code for argument lost in my mind when a person uses these terms - saddens me if I am honest)

I have a flavor of it now from reading the comments to my comments.

I just hope the hardliners are controlled by the moderates.

That is all I have to say on it.

Well thankfully the majority of the electorate do not share your ignorance on all things pregnancy related.

strandroad · 29-05-2018 12:21PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You are correct if I was compatable I would

But you are compatible with someone. Just sign up and it will be claimed, sooner or later.

gormdubhgorm · 29-05-2018 12:22PM

Billy86 wrote: »

gormdubhgorm, you might have missed my post so I'll ask again as it's been increasingly frustrating that I have not once got an answer on this from a 'no' voter taking the moral high ground about "putting up with the pain for the greater good" and whatnot.

Can I ask what you have done to help the mothers of unwanted pregnancies, families who wind up with a child they cannot afford, the children neglected as a result of not being wanted, etc?

Because I heard that "putting up with pain for the greater good" type of stuff over and over and over and over through the campaign from the no side, but genuinely not once -not one single time- when I have asked what they do on this front to help after birth, have I got an answer. And unless someone has been doing doing a significant amount to assist in these situations, they are not "putting up" with any pain whatsoever - they're just volunteering others to do so on their behalf in order to feel better about themselves.

People are willing to help through adoption and fostering if these laws where fixed it would be much easier to adopt Irish babies.
I remember Romanian babies used to have to be adopted years ago.

As for what I have done?

Do I have to go around adopting babies like angelina jolie and Brad Pitt to support women just because I voted no?

That is like me saying are you willing to help doctors perform abortions and make sure they are educated correctly silly argument on both sides

ohnonotgmail · 29-05-2018 12:22PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

People are willing to help through adoption and fostering if these laws where fixed it would be much easier to adopt Irish babies.
I remember Romanian babies used to have to be adopted years ago.

As for what I have done?

Do I have to go around adopting babies like angelina jolie and Brad Pitt to support women just because I voted no?

That is like me saying are you willing to help doctors perform abortions and make sure they are educated correctly silly argument on both sides

that is a very selfish attitude you have.

gormdubhgorm · 29-05-2018 12:22PM

strandroad wrote: »

But you are compatible with someone. Just sign up and it will be claimed, sooner or later.

Medically not possible at the moment unfortunately.

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end of the road · 29-05-2018 12:23PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I can't believe the referendum is over and people are still putting forward the same nonsensical arguments as if it never happened.

in this day and age the losing side in a referendum doesn't suddenly go away because they didn't get the result they hoped for.

29-05-2018 12:23PM

end of the road wrote: »

it's a perfectly legitimate reason. just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it otherwise. if he says he voted no because he doesn't trust the politicians then that is why he voted no

Going by that logic he should have voted yes or abstained, as John McGuirk, Declan Ganley, Justin Barrett, the Christian Solidarity Party and Renua were all for a no vote, or are these the types of politicians/ political activists that are to be trusted?

I'm assume that every no voter who did so because they don't trust politicians are going to abstain from voting in all future local and general elections and referendums from this point onwards because to do otherwise would just be hypocritical would it not?

Billy86 · 29-05-2018 12:24PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

As for what I have done?

Do I have to go around adopting babies like angelina jolie and Brad Pitt to support women just because I voted no?

That comes over as you saying is other people should go through pain that you are unwilling to assist with yourself, so that you can feel more virtuous about contributing to a 'greater good'.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if so it's really not a good look.

gormdubhgorm · 29-05-2018 12:25PM

Interesting how I am only on this thread a few hours and people want my kidney...

Who would have thought it....

The mind boggles..

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B0jangles · 29-05-2018 12:26PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

People are willing to help through adoption and fostering if these laws where fixed it would be much easier to adopt Irish babies.
I remember Romanian babies used to have to be adopted years ago.

As for what I have done?

Do I have to go around adopting babies like angelina jolie and Brad Pitt to support women just because I voted no?

That is like me saying are you willing to help doctors perform abortions and make sure they are educated correctly silly argument on both sides

Frankly, yes, you do.

If you are going to demand extraordinary levels of self-sacrifice from other people, you have to be willing and eager to do the same yourself, otherwise you end up looking like a hypocrite.

pitifulgod · 29-05-2018 12:28PM

Mavis Warm Stranger wrote: »

And you're perfectly entitled to not vote for them, or to choose a different GP.

That is very different to shaming politicians for their stance.

They're public representatives, not like doxxing randomers or something.... You're highlighting what they stand for.

end of the road · 29-05-2018 12:29PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Going by that logic he should have voted yes or abstained, as John McGuirk, Declan Ganley, Justin Barrett, the Christian Solidarity Party and Renua were all for a no vote, or are these the types of politicians/ political activists that are to be trusted?

ultimately you would have to put that question to someone who voted no for those reasons. it's not why i voted no so i can't give a definite answer. i'd suggest though that quite possibly they would tend to trust those who more aline with their views then those who don't.

DubInMeath wrote: »

I'm assume that every no voter who did so because they don't trust politicians are going to abstain from voting in all future local and general elections and referendums from this point onwards because to do otherwise would just be hypocritical would it not?

i would say no personally. ultimately it's better to vote, and i'd imagine they would simply vote for the politicians who closely aline with their views.

gormdubhgorm · 29-05-2018 12:29PM

Billy86 wrote: »

That comes over as you saying is other people should go through pain that you are unwilling to assist with yourself, so that you can feel more virtuous about contributing to a 'greater good'.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if so it's really not a good look.

As I have said in my original post in this thread I have suffered my far share of physical pain and I got over it.

By voting no I thought I was contributing to the greater good - I don't really know what else you expect me to do as a voter.

As I said before are you going to help perform abortions because you voted yes?

robarmstrong · 29-05-2018 12:30PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Interesting how I am only on this thread a few hours and people want my kidney...

Who would have thought it....

The mind boggles..

Relax, nobody wants your kidney.

They do want you to vastly improve your attitude towards women who seek abortions and outright misogynistic views of what a woman goes through pregnancy with your "ah shur it's only 9 months".

How about a kick in the bollocks, every day for 9 months?

It's only 9 months to be fair.

Frank Bullitt · 29-05-2018 12:32PM

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/05/ireland-an-obituary

John Waters is proper bonkers, of course we knew this, but sweet Jesus, he really is mad.

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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