Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

28-05-2018 05:58PM

Graces7 wrote: »

So? Quality not quantity.. and who cares then

Omackeral wrote: »

Quantity is basically the only thing that matters in a referendum, sorry to break it to you.

Graces7 wrote: »

And a third of the population is a sizaeble NO!

Fighting Tao wrote: »

It’s over! The People who we all voted in will now legislate.

Graces7 wrote: »

Wanna bet?

Poor Graces7 is still struggling with the whole democracy thing I see.

Water John · 28-05-2018 06:01PM

Spookwoman, the priest in Cork, who told his congregation yesterday, that whoever had voted Yes should leave, hasn't a great grasp of his own churche's history, on the subject.

Fighting Tao · 28-05-2018 06:03PM

Water John wrote: »

Spookwoman, the priest in Cork, who told his congregation yesterday, that whoever had voted Yes should leave, hasn't a great grasp of his own churche's history, on the subject.

Sounds like he hasn't a grasp on the dwindling congregation. Lower congregation means lower income to the church.

Pugzilla · 28-05-2018 06:04PM

What pisses me off is the amount of people who claimed they were catholic in the last census. Vast majority of them use contraception and don't attend mass every week.

Calina · 28-05-2018 06:05PM

tbh i have to question what mediaeval abortions were like and how successful they were. I saw an xray yesterday of a knitting needle left inside a woman for years the idea of which turned my stomach.

Odhinn · 28-05-2018 06:07PM

pauldla wrote: »

So if you don’t go to confession, that means you don’t get to spend eternity with Ronan Mullen & co.?

I’m not seeing a problem, to be honest.

Sure now?
https://www.google.ie/search?q=briefcase+wanker&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG7tWW8qjbAhVOUlAKHXCIDAQQ_AUICigB&biw=1536&bih=831#imgrc=3SvnpMjO2sspiM:

Achasanai · 28-05-2018 06:08PM

spookwoman wrote: »

You left a good bit out of the history of the church and abortion. The church was often in favor of abortion through the centuries. I've added the link for you to read as well.

Great post: she doesn't care though. For her, the Didache is actually more important than the Bible or proclamations from Church leaders.

28-05-2018 06:17PM

Pugzilla wrote: »

What pisses me off is the amount of people who claimed they were catholic in the last census. Vast majority of them use contraception and don't attend mass every week.

Do yourself a favour then and don't look at the number of people who said they could speak Irish.

Galwayguy35 · 28-05-2018 06:23PM

Mary Lou McDonald was on the BBC last night saying that women from the North coming here to access abortion should have to pay nothing, by all means let them come down to avail of the service if they need it but I don't see why taxpayers here should pick up the bill for people from another jurisdiction.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 28-05-2018 06:24PM

Achasanai wrote: »

Great post: she doesn't care though. For her, the Didache is actually more important than the Bible or proclamations from Church leaders.

The Didache is considered spurious and non-canonical by the Church. It's accepted in part by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church but has no place in Roman Catholic nor Protestant teachings.

oneilla · 28-05-2018 06:26PM

Pugzilla wrote: »

What pisses me off is the amount of people who claimed they were catholic in the last census. Vast majority of them use contraception and don't attend mass every week.

This probably is down to people viewing religion as a type of identity marker.

gctest50 · 28-05-2018 06:30PM

spookwoman wrote: »

You left a good bit out of the history of the church and abortion. The church was often in favor of abortion through the centuries. I've added the link for you to read as well.
..........

Even the saints were at it :

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/saints-once-did-abortions-it-was-a-lesser-sin-than-oral-sex-1.3466881

Taytoland · 28-05-2018 06:36PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Mary Lou McDonald was on the BBC last night saying that women from the North coming here to access abortion should have to pay nothing, by all means let them come down to avail of the service if they need it but I don't see why taxpayers here should pick up the bill for people from another jurisdiction.

Ignore her, she's a lunatic.

spookwoman · 28-05-2018 06:39PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

What was posted include an abortion of convenience. The parts that she doesn't like are taken out.

The Didache
The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations

Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Grave Sin Forbidden. And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born. You shall not covet the things of your neighbor, you shall not swear, you shall not bear false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued, for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbor. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.

Fighting Tao · 28-05-2018 06:42PM

spookwoman wrote: »

The Didache
The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations

Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Grave Sin Forbidden. And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born. You shall not covet the things of your neighbor, you shall not swear, you shall not bear false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued, for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbor. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.

Wow, some amount of failures for one woman in that. All in a few posts on this thread. Someone is going to hell!

spookwoman · 28-05-2018 06:45PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Wow, some amount of failures for one woman in that. All in a few posts on this thread. Someone is going to hell!

Plenty more there

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 28-05-2018 06:49PM

spookwoman wrote: »

The Didache
The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations

Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Grave Sin Forbidden. And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born. You shall not covet the things of your neighbor, you shall not swear, you shall not bear false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued, for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbor. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.

Just as well it has no standing within the church or every one of us practicing Christians would be going straight to hell.

Fighting Tao · 28-05-2018 06:52PM

Barbara Melted Bassoon wrote: »

Just as well it has no standing within the church or every one of us practicing Christians would be going straight to hell.

Sure there’s always the get out clause of any wrongdoing....confession.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 28-05-2018 06:53PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Sure there’s always the get out clause of any wrongdoing....confession.

That involves some very precise timing though - and you have to mean it too.

standardg60 · 28-05-2018 07:11PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Absolutely. The inability of the state and their families to take responsibility for these women and children was truely shocking.
Blame the nuns for everthing was the answer.
Not sure aborting healthy unwanted babies is much better.
At least most of the Tuam babies survived to adulthood and were allowed an existance.

I'm always a bit miffed when people criticise 'the state' as though its some sort of separate entity we have no control over. We are the state, everyone one of us..its of the people, by the people and for the people.

All families, mine and yours included, were culpable in what went on in this country, whether it was just through nods, frowns, ostracisation, or idle gossip.

There was also a grossly ignorant collective buying into of an organisation which actively promoted these wrongs being perpetrated by neighbour against neighbour whilst at the same time proclaiming themselves to be the ultimate bastion of what was right and good.

There was a poster a few pages back lamenting the good old days even though they were born circa 1990! I am old enough to remember things like being ordered by a friend's mother to kneel in front of the telly while the angelus was on ( I was about eight), and the fact that both sets of grandparents ostracised one their children for taking up with already married people. One of them was stopped from inheriting the family farm, which they were to do. If you have not heard of something similar happening in your family you just haven't been told about it.

Fortunately for me, I was smart enough at an early age to think for myself and figure out what a load of hogwash it all was. I really do pity those who aren't that lucky.

wexie · 28-05-2018 07:12PM

Odhinn wrote: »

..unless "The Lord" is a polling company.

Took a bit of doing...but I found it.

Turns out not a him or a company :

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/miriam-lord-it-took-35-years-to-build-this-stunning-result-1.3510661

erica74 · 28-05-2018 07:26PM

Delighted to see so many Yes posters have been taken down around Waterford, hopefully the No side continue taking down their posters, there's still a large amount up. I'd love to see posters banned altogether, they're an absolutely awful eyesore.

Fighting Tao · 28-05-2018 07:27PM

erica74 wrote: »

Delighted to see so many Yes posters have been taken down around Waterford, hopefully the No side continue taking down their posters, there's still a large amount up. I'd love to see posters banned altogether, they're an absolutely awful eyesore.

I agree that they should be banned. They serve no purpose.

QueenRizla · 28-05-2018 07:30PM

It’s funny the religious arguments are coming out now on the No side. Pretending it was about treating women compassionately was seen through.

Someone on Facebook responded to a friend saying ‘the yes side will have to answer to the unborn Child in heaven’. If they believe in Heaven sure do they not think the unborn are enjoying it up there, not waiting around to have an argument with yes voters.

28-05-2018 07:30PM

....... wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Two of my favourites from here were

It's all an Islamic,commie,Wicca plot.

I'm a white male conservative so I'm right and all you leftie sjw voting yes are allowing immigrants take over and we should choke on our soy.

And apart from the gift that always kept giving in the whole no side leadership was that it the one who on live TV said wasn't mainly white Irish women travelling to the UK for abortions.

spookwoman · 28-05-2018 07:31PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Even the saints were at it :

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/saints-once-did-abortions-it-was-a-lesser-sin-than-oral-sex-1.3466881

don't get me started on the bible lots of killing the unborn there in the name of god

Hosea 13:16
The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open.

28-05-2018 07:32PM

laugh wrote: »

We're all going to hell, yay:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/catholics-who-voted-yes-should-consider-confession-says-bishop-1.3511127

Everyone sing it with me now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l482T0yNkeo

fxotoole · 28-05-2018 07:33PM

QueenRizla wrote: »

Someone on Facebook responded to a friend saying ‘the yes side will have to answer to the unborn Child in heaven’. If they believe in Heaven sure do they not think the unborn are enjoying it up there, not waiting around to have an argument with yes voters.

I thought their logic was that all Yes voters are going to Hell?

Therefore the babies will be waiting for all eternity because the Yes voters will be burning in Hell

Water John · 28-05-2018 07:36PM

One public location in each town and village for postering. No other locations allowed.

Fighting Tao · 28-05-2018 07:42PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

I agree that they should be banned. They serve no purpose.

Actually, thinking about it, having a referendum is a great way of getting foreign direct investment. Without the posters it would be significantly less.

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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