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Odelay · 26-05-2018 09:15PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Anyone going to watch the Liverpool game? All very nervous here

Know it wasn't what you wanted to see...,, but that goal by Bale was something else.

whelan2 · 26-05-2018 09:24PM

Odelay wrote: »

Know it wasn't what you wanted to see...,, but that goal by Bale was something else.

That was some fook up by karius too

I says · 26-05-2018 09:31PM

Ah ****e lads you’d nearly feel sorry for Liverpool

Reggie. · 26-05-2018 09:32PM

I says wrote: »

Ah ****e lads you’d nearly feel sorry for Liverpool

NEARLY

newholland mad · 26-05-2018 09:32PM

Think I'd be giving the Liverpool goalie his p 45 in the morning

Odelay · 26-05-2018 09:33PM

whelan2 wrote: »

That was some fook up by karius too

..,,,,, he just improved on that. Fook me, how did he let that in? If he stood still he would have stopped it.

whelan2 · 26-05-2018 09:33PM

Once Salah went off it all went down hill :mad:

I says · 26-05-2018 09:34PM

Odelay wrote: »

..,,,,, he just improved on that. Fook me, how did he let that in? If he stood still he would have stopped it.

Pakie Bonner has the same against the Dutch in USA 94

Buford T. Justice XIX · 26-05-2018 09:45PM

Odelay wrote: »

..,,,,, he just improved on that. Fook me, how did he let that in? If he stood still he would have stopped it.

Nah, would have hit his face. Can't be having that.

charolais0153 · 26-05-2018 09:56PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Once Salah went off it all went down hill :mad:

Same happened poetugal at euro 2016. No excuses. Ings didnt get a chance when milner could barely run.

Burning Tires · 26-05-2018 10:11PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Yes but do you realise what was voted in.

Yes. The 36th amendment. Which allows medical abortion of a fetous. Its up to the government to legislate the condition of such. Happy enough about it tbh.

Reggie. · 26-05-2018 10:53PM

Burning Tires wrote: »

Yes. The 36th amendment. Which allows medical abortion of a fetous. Its up to the government to legislate the condition of such. Happy enough about it tbh.

That's the problem I had right there. The government has no legislation in place yet which means they have a blank canvas atm. They could write up anything without now no matter the irish people think. I believe it was too much power to give them without some clarity.

They could write it up now perfectly but add to it or amend it years from now as they have the power to do so.

I now be if it was a no vote then we would have been back a year later voting again (Lisbon style) but with the legislation written up for all to see. Too many people got caught up with women's rights and women's movements to see the future danger that might be.

Burning Tires · 26-05-2018 11:04PM

Reggie. wrote: »

That's the problem I had right there. The government has no legislation in place yet which means they have a blank canvas atm. They could write up anything without now no matter the irish people think. I believe it was too much power to give them without some clarity.

They could write it up now perfectly but add to it or amend it years from now as they have the power to do so.

I now be if it was a no vote then we would have been back a year later voting again (Lisbon style) but with the legislation written up for all to see. Too many people got caught up with women's rights and women's movements to see the future danger that might be.

Anything they come up with is better that the current state of affairs.
Unfortunately I have too much experience of the restrictions of the current system. Including travelling with my partner to Liverpool in 2008 and again my partner being refused treatment in 2010 and having to carry a baby until it died at 37 weeks, sometihing we had been to would happen at 12 weeks. So i have more skin in the game than most.......

Reggie. · 26-05-2018 11:09PM

Burning Tires wrote: »

Anything they come up with is better that the current state of affairs.
Unfortunately I have too much experience of the restrictions of the current system. Including travelling with my partner to Liverpool in 2008 and again my partner being refused treatment in 2010 and having to carry a baby until it died at 37 weeks, sometihing we had been to would happen at 12 weeks. So i have more skin in the game than most.......

I know it was a horrible position but on a personnel note if the legislation that's coming in shortly was in place at my time I wouldn't be alive today.

I would just prefer to have seen any legislation better voting on it. I think it's terrible there is a strong chance that healthy babies will be killed in the future just because of inconvenience.

Plus Harris stated abortions will be covered by HSE which will divert money away from other things that would have been possibly more beneficial.

I think it would have been better to look again at the adoption issues. Many couples out there trying to have kids but can't.

newholland mad · 26-05-2018 11:13PM

I wonder will we get a chance to revote again ????

Reggie. · 26-05-2018 11:15PM

newholland mad wrote: »

I wonder will we get a chance to revote again ????

Doubt it. Government have all the power now. No need to come back to us for permission.

Nekarsulm · 26-05-2018 11:18PM

They might have all the power, but any bill will still have to go through all the stages of reading and go through both houses. Not an easy of quick procedure, and with many opportunities for TD's to modify and redraw the legislation.
And don't forget that at every single general election, we vote for our choice of party/candidate giving them (if they form a government) Carte Blanche to introduce any law they see fit.

Sometimes you have to give people the benefit of the doubt, trusting them to be practical, compassionate and cogniscent of the wishes of the people.
I don't believe we as a people will rush headlong into widespread terminations for "social " reasons.

Reggie. · 26-05-2018 11:23PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

And don't forget that at every single general election, we vote for our choice of party/candidate giving them (if they form a government) Carte Blanche to introduce any law they see fit.

Sometimes you have to give people the benefit of the doubt, trusting them to be practical, compassionate and cogniscent of the wishes of the people.
I don't believe we as a people will rush headlong into widespread terminations for "social " reasons.

Well if a young lady becomes pregnant and she is offered an abortion free or has to keep it the pressure might be there.

As opposed to if adoption was an option the lady could give up the child with the hope of contact in the future.

Water John · 26-05-2018 11:29PM

Adoption is not outlawed. Simply most single women who choose to have their baby now go on to rear them, now that society isn't so judgemental.

ganmo · 26-05-2018 11:31PM

Reggie. wrote: »

I know it was a horrible position but on a personnel note if the legislation that's coming in shortly was in place at my time I wouldn't be alive today.

I would just prefer to have seen any legislation better voting on it. I think it's terrible there is a strong chance that healthy babies will be killed in the future just because of inconvenience.

Plus Harris stated abortions will be covered by HSE which will divert money away from other things that would have been possibly more beneficial.

I think it would have been better to look again at the adoption issues. Many couples out there trying to have kids but can't.

There is a draft bill, they couldn’t go any further with it because they would be passing legislation that was unconstitutional which can’t happen

newholland mad · 26-05-2018 11:33PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Doubt it. Government have all the power now. No need to come back to us for permission.

Doubt it too. Gaunteed if it wasn't voted through we would have been back inside 2 years only with a lot more detail and people would actually know what their voting for. Closed shop now.

Reggie. · 26-05-2018 11:33PM

ganmo wrote: »

There is a draft bill, they couldn’t go any further with it because they would be passing legislation that was unconstitutional which can’t happen

What was written in the draft bill tho?

Reggie. · 26-05-2018 11:34PM

Water John wrote: »

Adoption is not outlawed. Simply most single women who choose to have their baby now go on to rear them, now that society isn't so judgemental.

Yeah I edited that. It's also due to the fact it's easier to adopt aboard that domestically unfortunately

ganmo · 26-05-2018 11:38PM

Reggie. wrote: »

What was written in the draft bill tho?

https://health.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/General-Scheme-for-Publication.pdf

Nekarsulm · 26-05-2018 11:39PM

Adoption has almost completely ceased (5 last year, I believe) for 2 basic reasons.
First and foremost the social welfare system has developed into something generous enough here (compared to other jurisdictions,) and facitates anyone wishing to rear a child or 2 or 3 on their own.
Secondly the Social Services have restricted access to children by an incredible amount.
It is an incredibly invasive process to put yourself and your partner through, to the extent that many give up on the idea least their own relationship suffers under the strain.
Your background and history is extensively investigated. Your sex life with your partner is likewise. Your financial situation is dissected, your home inspected several times and you will be questioned in a most insensitive and aggressive manner.
And finally, the age limit has been dropped so much that by the time many find out that they cannot conceive, they are too old and are disqualified.
It has recently been set at an upper limit of 42 years.( Up from 35!)
Many foreign countries are also banning adoption from their shores.

Reggie. · 26-05-2018 11:47PM

ganmo wrote: »

https://health.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/General-Scheme-for-Publication.pdf

Cheers. I can safely say that's the first time I seen it even while looking for it. The bill is left very open tho. Been hard to make it airtight tho.

Like all drafts it'll be abused by a few no doubt

Say my name · 26-05-2018 11:57PM

Isn't it gas that men think or like to have power and control over a womans/someone else's body.
I don't hear many female posters commenting on this or maybe they 'know their place'.

It's their body, it's their choice or at least it should be or will be in this new Ireland.

Edit: 10 irish women went to the UK for an abortion today. Another 10 are going tomorrow another 10 on Monday.
10 are going every day (that's what the stats say).

ganmo · 26-05-2018 11:58PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Cheers. I can safely say that's the first time I seen it even while looking for it. The bill is left very open tho. Been hard to make it airtight tho.

Like all drafts it'll be abused by a few no doubt

It’s more than they had in place for the removal of the Seanad with promised reform of the dail.

charolais0153 · 27-05-2018 12:01AM

Say my name wrote: »

Isn't it gas that men think or like to have power and control over a womans/someone else's body.
I don't hear many female posters commenting on this or maybe they 'know their place'.

It's their body, it's their choice or at least it should be or will be in this new Ireland.

Is the child not 50% of the father. ?

Reggie. · 27-05-2018 12:02AM

Say my name wrote: »

Isn't it gas that men think or like to have power and control over a womans/someone else's body.
I don't hear many female posters commenting on this or maybe they 'know their place'.

It's their body, it's their choice or at least it should be or will be in this new Ireland.

Have to say I think that post was uncalled for. Don't see any poster here stating that women should "know thier place"

It's statements like that that muddled up this whole referendum into a circus at times.

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