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Hunky Monster wrote: »

Hi can you link me to the scientific study that states that gender is on this "spectrum" you talk about.

I don't want to de rail this thread I'm not saying anything else on transgenders but since you've compared the point to an argument that the world is flat....look it's pretty basic that not all gender is in one camp or the other in some cases you can have chromosomes from one and organs from the other, then they assign you a gender as best they can.

People who don't feel of one particular gender don't have automatic mental health issues, that was your opening gambit that I had a problem with because it's totally false. For example, you could be judging a transgender person you see on the street as crazy, who never actually felt right after assignment.

I'll leave you to misinterpret medical journals, I don't read journals outside my own field. It took me 10 seconds on google to find this article from national geographic:

"Many of us learned in high school biology that sex chromosomes determine a baby’s sex, full stop: XX means it’s a girl; XY means it’s a boy. But on occasion, XX and XY don’t tell the whole story.

Today we know that the various elements of what we consider “male” and “female” don’t always line up neatly, with all the XXs—complete with ovaries, vagina, estrogen, female gender identity, and feminine behavior—on one side and all the XYs—testes, penis, testosterone, male gender identity, and masculine behavior—on the other. It’s possible to be XX and mostly male in terms of anatomy, physiology, and psychology, just as it’s possible to be XY and mostly female.

Each embryo starts out with a pair of primitive organs, the proto-gonads, that develop into male or female gonads at about six to eight weeks. Sex differentiation is usually set in motion by a gene on the Y chromosome, the SRY gene, that makes the proto-gonads turn into testes. The testes then secrete testosterone and other male hormones (collectively called androgens), and the fetus develops a prostate, scrotum, and penis. Without the SRY gene, the proto-gonads become ovaries that secrete estrogen, and the fetus develops female anatomy (uterus, vagina, and clitoris).

But the SRY gene’s function isn’t always straightforward. The gene might be missing or dysfunctional, leading to an XY embryo that fails to develop male anatomy and is identified at birth as a girl. Or it might show up on the X chromosome, leading to an XX embryo that does develop male anatomy and is identified at birth as a boy.

Genetic variations can occur that are unrelated to the SRY gene, such as complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS), in which an XY embryo’s cells respond minimally, if at all, to the signals of male hormones. Even though the proto-gonads become testes and the fetus produces androgens, male genitals don’t develop. The baby looks female, with a clitoris and vagina, and in most cases will grow up feeling herself to be a girl.

Which is this baby, then? Is she the girl she believes herself to be? Or, because of her XY chromosomes—not to mention the testes in her abdomen—is she “really” male?..."

Full article:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/01/how-science-helps-us-understand-gender-identity/

Hunky Monster wrote: »

jones wrote: »

Totally agree with the above that's why i dont buy this gender is fluid thing in relation to sport...outside of sport i couldn't care what anyone gets up to. Each to their own and all that.

Same. If people want to call themselves sie, zir, banana. I don't care. Mixing men in women in sports is not good for anyone except justifying someones feelings. Its bad for men, it's bad for women, its bad for sports. There are countless examples of men dominating womens sports now that they're allowed compete because of how they think there was a mixup in their gender at birth - it's utterly insane. That's the context we're talking in here. If anyone believes that gender is fluid, knock yourself out, there's also people out there who believe the earth is flat.

I generally don't disagree with you where sport is concerned but what are these countless examples?

Any chance this transgender debate can be moved elsewhere, very tiresome at this point (and very off topic).

Sounds like daily football podcasts during the world cup which is nice

dominatinMC wrote:

Looking forward to Kens reports from Russia. Just wondering who will pay for his travels? He still writes for The Irish Times, so I guess they will be funding his trip

Yeah Id imagine if so he'll be writing daily for them as well, they sent him to the last RWC as well

Patww79 wrote: »

He's insufferable lately

Why do you find him so? I don't have strong feelings either way about his non-SC ouevre, myself, I just think I may have missed something recently that would have provoked such a strong reaction.

"Having fellaini is like having a world class steam engine".

I will never tire of the Ken bike theft audio bed.

"Oh my god this town!"

Gbear wrote: »

I will never tire of the Ken bike theft audio bed.

"Oh my god this town!"

whats that background incidental music style called ? feels like detective pulp fiction 30s or something

jaykay74 wrote: »

whats that background incidental music style called ? feels like detective pulp fiction 30s or something

From the film Taxi Driver

Say Your Number wrote: »

I want to like the Ken travelling jingle, but that cheesy song gets on my nerves.

Theme tune to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Littlest_Hobo. It makes the clip, for me.

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Same, its one of my favourite beds

'What's next for Haddaway?', the delight in his voice to be asking that question.

Icemancometh wrote:

What's the story with that line?

He met Haddaway at an airport years ago I think