The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Vlad Kelly · 24-05-2018 12:26PM

mugsymugsy wrote: »

Imagine if your wife or daughter or sister was suffering from a FFA and had to carry that baby to term or if they wanted an abortion they would have to travel to the UK or illegally import pills to take without medical supervision.

Remember that.

Shut up. I'm literally gonna nut if the NO side wins.

erica74 · 24-05-2018 12:26PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

I know, hence why I said pregnant rape victims should be able to get it immediately without habaloo. No messing around.

That doesn't account for the many rape victims who do not seek out medical attention within that window of time.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-05-2018 12:26PM

gmisk wrote: »

OK...a plane with a No message just flew over my house... You can't say they aren't throwing everything including the kitchen sink at it!

I don't think the people of ireland will be fooled.

I'm a no voter, but I really don't see what's to be gained by a stupid stunt like that. They're not advertising a new brand of soft drink. They're supposed to be explaining to people why they're voting No.

Nettle Soup · 24-05-2018 12:27PM

Vlad Kelly wrote: »

Shut up. I'm literally gonna nut if the NO side wins.

Not a hope of No winning this now.

spookwoman · 24-05-2018 12:28PM

Malaya Red Sandlot wrote: »

Well by that logic women past menopause should also not be voting. Perhaps nuns as well? Infertile women and so on. Likewise straight people should not have voted in the marriage referendum.

Any change in the constitution is a fundamental change in how our society operates, so it is an issue for everyone.

I know, I just said it was his view......
Bad using marriage ref plenty of people married opposite sex and then in later years found out and accepted they were gay

Didm't you say you were for abortion day before yesterday?

ohnonotgmail · 24-05-2018 12:29PM

I didnt watch the debate last night and i've just watched the Ronan Mullen response people were talking about. Words fail me.

Vlad Kelly · 24-05-2018 12:29PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Not a hope of No winning this now.

Unfortunately kid just because you live in a libby echo chamber and all your friends are epic libs doesn't mean the whole country is. I'm literally all set to nut if the NO side wins!

Stonedpilot · 24-05-2018 12:30PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Not a hope of No winning this now.

You forget the many of 'middle Ireland' will vote No. The elderly, the religious, many rural people, etc etc.

It will be very close.

Anyone who see's a landslide to Yes is away with the fairies.

wexie · 24-05-2018 12:30PM

Vlad Kelly wrote: »

Unfortunately kid just because you live in a libby echo chamber and all your friends are epic libs doesn't mean the whole country is. I'm literally all set to nut if the NO side wins!

That's some fetish you have, you should probably seek help for that

Cupcake_Crisis · 24-05-2018 12:31PM

Vlad Kelly wrote: »

Unfortunately kid just because you live in a libby echo chamber and all your friends are epic libs doesn't mean the whole country is. I'm literally all set to nut if the NO side wins!

Make sure you wear a condom

Zubeneschamali · 24-05-2018 12:31PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Do you just make stuff up as you go along on this?. It's Getting a bit absurd now.

JOURNALIST John Waters has plunged himself into further controversy by saying "there is no such thing" as depression.

Organisations that help people who are suicidal have criticised the remarks.

Mr Waters said in an interview with the 'Sunday Independent' yesterday: "I don't believe in depression. There's no such thing. It's an invention. It's bulls**t. It's a cop out."

Mrsmum · 24-05-2018 12:31PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Here's just the start. I will post more after lunch. Hopefully you read every line of these articles.

https://www.pop.org/many-american-women-felt-pressured-abortions-study-finds/

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/hidden-abortion-pressure-revealed-20090901-f6tk.html

Indeed. I heard a woman on another site praising how supportive her then boyfriend was regarding her abortion . I thought to myself honey he really wasn't that into you and you clearly weren't The One so basically his support was relief and couldn't care less about you. I asked her how long they were together after that. She said bout 2 months. Enough said. Not all men who support abortion are doing it out of respect for women but quite the opposite.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-05-2018 12:31PM

spookwoman wrote: »

I know, I just said it was his view......
Bad using marriage ref plenty of people married opposite sex and then in later years found out and accepted they were gay

Did you say you were for abortion day before yesterday?

No I have never said I was 'for' abortion.

I didn't say by the same logic married people shouldn't have voted in the Marriage Referendum. I said straight people. You can be married and gay, or single and straight.

Chaos Tourist · 24-05-2018 12:33PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

John Waters, well known No-to-everything figure, denies that depression exists despite obviously suffering from it.

Bizarre stuff altogether, although I vaguely recall other depression deniers writing articles a few years ago as well. 'My granny raised 10 kids single handedly, never complained and got on with it blah blah blah'. Everyone is clearly not the same. Where are they now these past few years? Hopefully they crawled back under their rock.

NuMarvel · 24-05-2018 12:33PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Sometimes there is an exit poll. The polling station watchers often have a good feel, too.

Edit: turnout will also be key. A big turnout n Dublin will mean a Yes. low turnout would favour No more.

None of it can be discussed until after 10 pm.

But some of the best judges of these things sit in Dáil Eireann. There is an article in the online Irish Times about yesterday in the Dail: relief from the Yes party leaders, glum faces from the rural No TDs.

RTE are commissioning an exit poll and will announce the results at 11.30 tomorrow night.

We'll have a good sense of whether its carried or not by Saturday afternoon or evening, but if it's tight, we'll probably be waiting until Saturday night for the formal result, to allow for any recounts.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-05-2018 12:34PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

You forget the many of 'middle Ireland' will vote No. The elderly, the religious, many rural people, etc etc.

It will be very close.

Anyone who see's a landslide to Yes is away with the fairies.

No, I don't think there'll be a landslide. It will probably be very tight. But I do think the Yes side will edge it. I'm not happy about that, but it looks as if that is how it will go. But hopefully No voters won't just throw in the towel and not bother to go out and vote. It is still important to make a statement and indicate that there are a lot of citizens who do not want the twelve week legislation to be passed.

Hotblack Desiato · 24-05-2018 12:34PM

copeyhagen wrote: »

The no campaigners on the Finglas road yesterday at the overpass with the pictures of a dead foetus, covered in blood with the slogan something like "is this healthcare" should be ashamed of themselves, I hope they pushed a lot of 'on the fencers' into the yes side, purely by that disgusting display.

they were doing it yesterday at the Red Cow too :mad:

erica74 · 24-05-2018 12:35PM

kylith wrote: »

Some women on IHS have reported being pressurised into it by abusive partners. But one of the defining things I noticed on their stories was that they felt being cut off and in a foreign country where they didn't have anyone or know their way round the city, or necessarily speak the language, meant that they didn’t feel able to say no when they got to the clinic.

Oh I don't doubt for a second that some women are pressured but I don't accept a blanket unqualified statement of "many women felt pressurized" not backed up by any evidence.

Vlad Kelly wrote: »

Unfortunately kid just because you live in a libby echo chamber and all your friends are epic libs doesn't mean the whole country is. I'm literally all set to nut if the NO side wins!

Oh we're back to this, I'm just waiting on "snowflake" or "triggered" and I win the pool!

Calina · 24-05-2018 12:36PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Here's just the start. I will post more after lunch. Hopefully you read every line of these articles.

https://www.pop.org/many-american-women-felt-pressured-abortions-study-finds/

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/hidden-abortion-pressure-revealed-20090901-f6tk.html

Indeed. I heard a woman on another site praising how supportive her then boyfriend was regarding her abortion . I thought to myself honey he really wasn't that into you and you clearly weren't The One so basically his support was relief and couldn't care less about you. I asked her how long they were together after that. She said bout 2 months. Enough said. Not all men who support abortion are doing it out of respect for women but quite the opposite.

It sounds like abortion was the right decision for them.

spookwoman · 24-05-2018 12:36PM

Malaya Red Sandlot wrote: »

No I have never said I was 'for' abortion.

I didn't say by the same logic married people shouldn't have voted in the Marriage Referendum. I said straight people. You can be married and gay, or single and straight.

Sorry rephrase that you agreed "The 8th is the problem at the moment, at least with that gone the cases of proposals for abortion laws can be changed up or down or whatever way they want"
So you are a yes person?

Stonedpilot · 24-05-2018 12:36PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

JOURNALIST John Waters has plunged himself into further controversy by saying "there is no such thing" as depression.

Organisations that help people who are suicidal have criticised the remarks.

Mr Waters said in an interview with the 'Sunday Independent' yesterday: "I don't believe in depression. There's no such thing. It's an invention. It's bulls**t. It's a cop out."

OK but he wrote about feeling down, low depressed in a book so ......

Maybe he's referring to the language used not being beneficial I'm not sure. You'd have to ask him.

Zubeneschamali · 24-05-2018 12:37PM

My prediction is still what it was weeks ago: 55% turnout, 55-45 win for Yes, with an outside chance that No squeaks a 50.1-49.9 win.

But I now see a chance that there will instead be a really high turnout - the 13th/14th got 68%.

If it is 70%, it could be a really crushing win for Yes - 65-35.

jill_valentine · 24-05-2018 12:37PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

OK but he wrote about feeling down, low depressed in a book so ......

Says more about him than it does of anybody quoting him. If I'm not mistaken, he's also had a divorce, since campaigning against divorce. I fully expect to see him in Pantibar any day now.

wexie · 24-05-2018 12:38PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

OK but he wrote about feeling down, low depressed in a book so ......

feeling down ≠ having depression

If you think that it's probably you that should try opening a book

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-05-2018 12:38PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Sorry rephrase that you agreed "The 8th is the problem at the moment, at least with that gone the cases of proposals for abortion laws can be changed up or down or whatever way they want"
So you are a yes person

No I didn't. I answered a poster who said that, in response to a post that I had made. I have consistently argued the case for the No vote on here.

Billy86 · 24-05-2018 12:38PM

erica74 wrote: »

Oh we're back to this, I'm just waiting on "snowflake" or "triggered" and I win the pool!

When you can't speak for yourself, just parrot the buzzwords you've been told to. It's funny how these buzzwords have now just become shorthand for "I have nothing useful to add to the conversation but really, really do want some attention".

Mrsmum · 24-05-2018 12:39PM

Calina wrote: »

It sounds like abortion was the right decision for them.

Only if you think a woman can't rear a child without a man which clearly tons of women do.

gmisk · 24-05-2018 12:39PM

Vlad Kelly wrote: »

Imagine how annoyed some people would get with me, they think it should be entirely up to women and think abortion should be legal. In walks me, a man, all set to vote no! I love how annoyed these people get, CAN'T WAIT to vote no tomorrow!

How very mature of you.

Zubeneschamali · 24-05-2018 12:40PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

OK but he wrote about feeling down, low depressed in a book so ......

That's why I said he denies it exists while obviously suffering from it.

Grayditch · 24-05-2018 12:40PM

I don't know how anyone can really call the result now. There has at times been an element of browbeating No voters into silence, but the polling booths are private. Saying that I feel that of the two campaigns (posters/canvass/debate wise), the Yes side have carried themselves with a huge amount of honesty, dignity and most importantly compassion and I'm hoping that shines through for what my in opinion is the best result for this country: a win for repealing the 8th.

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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