The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

nullzero · 23-05-2018 09:45PM

mrsoundie wrote: »

If Ronan is a failed Priest, what does that make Maria?

A failed nun?

A failed _______?

Please fill in the blank.

A failed joke?

FrancieBrady · 23-05-2018 09:46PM

mrsoundie wrote: »

If Ronan is a failed Priest, what does that make Maria?

A failed nun?

A failed _______?

Please fill in the blank.

A failed No campaigner...so far.

tigger123 · 23-05-2018 09:46PM

Maria would be well able to argue the No side on her own. Ronan's a liability for them.

CH3OH · 23-05-2018 09:46PM

Quote: mrsoundie
Is Ronan Mullen a failed Priest

No he now feels he is God with the ability to forgive the sinners who travel abroad.

He is a great asset to the Yes campaign

nullzero · 23-05-2018 09:46PM

SimpleDimples wrote: »

My dad was on the fence until now but I think Ronan Mullen's comments have actually moved him to a yes vote.

Get him a repeal jumper quickly.

theballz · 23-05-2018 09:46PM

Ronan and Maria doing well here.

Ave Sodalis · 23-05-2018 09:46PM

Digital_Guy wrote: »

I don't agree with abortion aside from the 'hard cases'.

So, how can you vote for something you don't agree with? We all know abortions increase when it's legislated for, it changes the culture. Drink driving is unacceptable now socially, but it was only in the very recent past where it was rampant.

But, I don't agree that a woman shouldn't have bodily autonomy and integrity either.

So....what to do?

On a world wide scale, abortion rates don't change significantly when abortions are made legal (when you account for estimates of all the illegal abortions).

The reason hard cases exist is because of the 8th. It's not so much a case of hard cases make bad laws, but that bad laws have made hard cases. Vote Yes, and you can lobby the government for changes. If you vote No, there will be no changes, and the hard cases will still suffer.

murpho999 · 23-05-2018 09:47PM

nullzero wrote: »

Compulsory would suggest everyone would be forced to have an abortion. Talk about emotive language.

That's my point. They're using emotive language to make it sound like people will unable to choose NOT to have an abortion.

Hotblack Desiato · 23-05-2018 09:47PM

SimpleDimples wrote: »

I think of all groups involved in this campaign, that TFMR have the most eloquent of speakers - each and everyone of their representatives have spoken clearly, calmly, rationally and logically.

Indeed.

RTE didn't allow them to speak a single word last week on Claire Byrne.

fergus1001 · 23-05-2018 09:47PM

can't wait for part 3 so the no side can't talk

manual_man · 23-05-2018 09:47PM

everything we believe in, EVERYONE who we are, is because we were allowed to enter this world. We were affordeD the right. We were allowed to prosper. VOTE NO!

gandalf · 23-05-2018 09:47PM

Jaysus Doherty is really good tonight as is O'Gorman. Steen looks rattled and Mullen is really putting both feet in his mouth at this stage.

I think Steen pissed off PK so he is being tougher on the no side.

HandsomeBob · 23-05-2018 09:47PM

I'll give Mullan this....the brass neck on him.

EPAndlee · 23-05-2018 09:48PM

One More Toy wrote: »

Ronan confirms that you can't trust anyone who wears a vest, especially in this heat

He must think its a sin to have your nipples showing

He comes across as someone that's afraid to be naked under his clothes. He's a bit of a tobias funke

hatrickpatrick · 23-05-2018 09:48PM

mugsymugsy wrote: »

Ronan is unreal. I can't believe he said that

The Talking Bread wrote: »

that was disgusting by Mullen. What an arrogant deluded preacher

I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, what did he say?

Itssoeasy · 23-05-2018 09:48PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

What did he say?

Woman gives a harrowing account of having an abortion in England.

Ronan responds with her deserving love etc. "regardless of what you've done"

Whatever side you're on, that comment was poor form and not needed. His fellow no campaigner didn't look impressed. It confirms why I don't listen to him on any issue when watching the Seanad live feed.

Ave Sodalis · 23-05-2018 09:48PM

nullzero wrote: »

You should jump on the Yes bandwagon and do what's popular, your beliefs don't matter if they clash with the Yes campaign and you have no right to have them. Having your beliefs probably means you're a lot of unpleasant things by extension, how dare you exist.

What on earth are you talking about?

mrsoundie · 23-05-2018 09:48PM

John McGuirk is burning up on twitter at the moment. Cant post anything, just managing to post this!

Dressing gown · 23-05-2018 09:48PM

Digital_Guy wrote: »

I don't agree with abortion aside from the 'hard cases'.

So, how can you vote for something you don't agree with? We all know abortions increase when it's legislated for, it changes the culture. Drink driving is unacceptable now socially, but it was only in the very recent past where it was rampant.

But, I don't agree that a woman shouldn't have bodily autonomy and integrity either.

So....what to do?

Do your own homework on what happens to abortion rates in countries where it has been legalised over time.

Compare with rates in countries where it is illegal.

You may be surprised given your assumptions

(WHO has stats on this)

Atlantic Dawn · 23-05-2018 09:48PM

It should be an offence to canvas outside a train station disturbing the flow of people going about their daily lives.

bauderline · 23-05-2018 09:49PM

mrsoundie wrote: »

If Ronan is a failed Priest, what does that make Maria?

A failed nun?

A failed _______?

Please fill in the blank.

A failed human being springs to mind.

gmisk · 23-05-2018 09:49PM

Ronan Mullen
Thank you
You have shown your true nature.
How dare you speak to that brave woman like that!!!!
Absolutely vile

Nettle Soup · 23-05-2018 09:49PM

theballz wrote: »

Ronan and Maria doing well here.

You mean during the ad break?

mrsoundie · 23-05-2018 09:49PM

Liam Gallagher left himself go!

nullzero · 23-05-2018 09:49PM

murpho999 wrote: »

That's my point. They're using emotive language to make it sound like people will unable to choose NOT to have an abortion.

You're making a point about emotive language being used by the No side by using even more emotive language and suggesting they used it themselves when they didn't.
Compulsory abortion is some kind of distopian nightmare and nobody is stupid enough to suggest that is one the table.

namloc1980 · 23-05-2018 09:50PM

Why are some on the No side giving the impression that abortion will be compulsory come Saturday morning.

AllForIt · 23-05-2018 09:50PM

If I were a No campaigner I wouldn't be too happy with Ronans gaff there in relation Saoirse in the audience.

Colm made a good point there about so called 'social abortions'. Turned the derogatory phrase on it's head.

That Steen is an obnoxious aloof calculating barrister. If she asked me to vote NO to save my own life I'd vote yes just to spite her.

nullzero · 23-05-2018 09:50PM

mrsoundie wrote: »

Liam Gallagher left himself go!

Yawn.

gandalf · 23-05-2018 09:50PM

FFS horizon box just rebooted...bloody Virgin Media!!!

Ken. · 23-05-2018 09:50PM

Mod-Robbertkk's thread ban lifted. Please don't report his posts when he posts.

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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