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Being harrassed over tickets

  • 21-05-2018 06:57PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,900 ✭✭✭


    About 6 months ago I sold some tickets to a concert to someone via an online site. I bought them via ticketmaster. Apparently the concert was cancelled as they have been sending me threatening messages that I am to meet them in town with money that I owe them since it's cancelled or they will call the guards or show up at my work. The site I sold it through basically said it's a legal grey area. That I don't have to give them anything. Surely once tickets are sold that's it? I don't think Ticketmaster have refunded me yet, but the same happened to me once and I just accepted I had lost the money on them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,849 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    rannerap wrote: »
    About 6 months ago I sold some tickets to a concert to someone via an online site. I bought them via ticketmaster. Apparently the concert was cancelled as they have been sending me threatening messages that I am to meet them in town with money that I owe them since it's cancelled or they will call the guards or show up at my work. The site I sold it through basically said it's a legal grey area. That I don't have to give them anything. Surely once tickets are sold that's it? I don't think Ticketmaster have refunded me yet, but the same happened to me once and I just accepted I had lost the money on them.

    Em, when ticket master refund you, you should refund him.

    Legal grey area it may be.

    If you were to walk away from this with twice the cash then and the buyer completely out of pocket then I would absolutely understand this person's anger.

    I assume ticket master have said they will be refunding as per usual practice?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭gerard2210


    Surely if a concert is cancelled ticketmaster will refund you. Have you contacted ticketmaster to see what the story is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭hognef


    rannerap wrote: »
    About 6 months ago I sold some tickets to a concert to someone via an online site. I bought them via ticketmaster. Apparently the concert was cancelled as they have been sending me threatening messages that I am to meet them in town with money that I owe them since it's cancelled or they will call the guards or show up at my work. The site I sold it through basically said it's a legal grey area. That I don't have to give them anything. Surely once tickets are sold that's it? I don't think Ticketmaster have refunded me yet, but the same happened to me once and I just accepted I had lost the money on them.

    Surely, if and when Ticketmaster does refund you, it'd be reasonable to forward the refund to whomever bought the tickets off you? Until such time, however, I can't see any reason to entertain their claim.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    hognef wrote: »
    Surely, if and when Ticketmaster does refund you, it'd be reasonable to forward the refund to whomever bought the tickets off you? Until such time, however, I can't see any reason to entertain their claim.

    A more interesting question, were the tickets sold for more than face value, and how much does the OP intend to refund, what they paid for the tickets, or what they sold them for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 925 ✭✭✭RHJ


    This post has been deleted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,849 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Yeah, OP you are being a bit vague.

    Bad enough to gauge someone but to not refund them when the concert is cancelled is terrible form.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 Jutton


    You said " I don't think ticketmaster refunded me yet" . Surely the first thing to do is check that first on your statements....before posting on boards.
    I bought tickets few years ago from Ticketmaster outlet, I simply went back to same outlet and got refund straight away. Was very simple.
    I'm no legal expert but I imagine the law is on buyers side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Are you even allowed to sell tickets on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭2Mad2BeMad


    How is the OP a mod? :L is this post a troll or what?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    RHJ wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Yes, minus the fee's from the sale/commission for the tout site. Unless they refund too, which I doubt they do.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭ScouseMouse


    Russell Brand perhaps?

    Ticketmaster will have credited you and you have to give the person their money back.

    If the buyer makes a claim of fraud to the gardai, they can get your details and can pay you a visit.

    Just give them their money back and stop messing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭ScouseMouse


    Jutton wrote: »
    You said " I don't think ticketmaster refunded me yet" . Surely the first thing to do is check that first on your statements....before posting on boards.
    I bought tickets few years ago from Ticketmaster outlet, I simply went back to same outlet and got refund straight away. Was very simple.
    I'm no legal expert but I imagine the law is on buyers side.

    How could you not know if they refunded you yet? That is quite an evasive comment. It is not hard to check your account or ring them. Is that what you told the buyer? "I am not sure if they credited me yet"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Wow, really? People really can be jerks! Just give them back their money, and quit messing them around.


  • Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    the Gardai may not get involved, but the karma police will


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Eggonyerface


    You'll be refunded,give them the money back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Pete Moss


    rannerap wrote:
    I don't think Ticketmaster have refunded me yet

    Did you check your bank account to see if money has been credited back from Ticketmaster? Did you call Ticketmaster to ask when you will get a refund?
    rannerap wrote:
    the same happened to me once and I just accepted I had lost the money on them.

    Do you mean the same happened you in the sense that someone ripped you off before or that Ticketmaster never refunded you for a previously cancelled gig? Because, neither is right.

    It's simple. You're due a refund from Ticketmaster and the guy is due a refund from you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭ScouseMouse


    the Gardai may not get involved, but the karma police will

    If a complaint of fraud is made, the gardai can force adverts to hand over the persons details. The OP is acting the bollix here and is storing up a whole world of trouble here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 duffgirl


    "I don't think Ticketmaster have refunded me yet, but the same happened to me once and I just accepted I had lost the money on them."

    How can you not know if you've recieved a refund? Online banking is a miraculous development that allows you to easily check these things. Are you using this situation to reimburse yourself because this happened to you in the past? Did you think that you would get resounding support from others on here for not refunding the money? Refund this person, its the right thing to do. Sadly, the fact that you need to be encouraged to do so makes me question your ethics and the chances of you actually doing the right thing though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭ScouseMouse


    I have just realised, the Op appears to be a boards moderator. Are boards aware yet of the questionable attitude this person has?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,762 ✭✭✭my3cents


    The OP didn't say how much he sold the tickets for? If it was at a good profit that may be a reason they don't want to refund the money?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭ScouseMouse


    I think it's kinda obvious what's going on here and the Op needs to sort it out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭dzilla


    rannerap wrote: »
    About 6 months ago I sold some tickets to a concert to someone via an online site. I bought them via ticketmaster. Apparently the concert was cancelled as they have been sending me threatening messages that I am to meet them in town with money that I owe them since it's cancelled or they will call the guards or show up at my work. The site I sold it through basically said it's a legal grey area. That I don't have to give them anything. Surely once tickets are sold that's it? I don't think Ticketmaster have refunded me yet, but the same happened to me once and I just accepted I had lost the money on them.

    Are you actually for real? Or are you just looking for confirmation that you are being a pr1ck?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Mod:

    This is the Legal Discussion forum. Generally, responses are required to be civil and relevant.

    There are a number of uncivil posts up there and one of them has earned an infraction. Please keep the discussion civil.

    Furthermore, posts should be relevant to legal discussion. That means discussing law/legal principles etc. Keep on topic or don't post at all, please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭innuendo141


    I think OP hasn't responded because he did not get the response he was looking for.

    If an event is cancelled, you get refunded. Check your bank account. If you didn't get refunded, it shouldn't be hard to get that sorted.

    If you have charged over the odds for the ticket, then it's a double whammy of scum-baggish behaviour from you. Your post has left yourself open for people to think this could be the case.

    Just refund the person, you really are in the wrong here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,173 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I have just realised, the Op appears to be a boards moderator. Are boards aware yet of the questionable attitude this person has?

    You assume Boards care?!
    I'd be shocked if they did!

    As for the O.P, they should refund the money paid and the fact that they are quite willing to let the person stand the loss says a lot about their lack of character.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭enda1


    Sounds awfully like a legal grey area indeed.

    A resale ticket is not like an original ticket in that you've sold two items, 1. the ticket and 2. the service of having bought the ticket (potentially joining a queue, being ready by the computer at 7am and refreshing etc.), plus fronting the money for the ticket for a long time.

    So in the concert being cancelled, this doesn't negate the service component the OP provided. I would feel that a fair valuation on this is what should/could be retained but that would require some precedence to establish.

    I'd say that the amount refunded to the OP should in turn be refunded and then a fair withholding of any surplus charge could be help to cover the admin component of the service. Again highly difficult to quantify but unlikely to be more than €10.

    (this is not of course what i'd do myself I imagine - I think I'd refund the amount ticketmaster refund me plus the delta between the resale and sale price - but then this isn't the humanities forum so that's not really relevant)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,757 ✭✭✭s8n


    Love the threat of the guards turning up at your work !!

    YEP. this would be the biggest high priority case on their books !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,401 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    enda1 wrote: »
    Sounds awfully like a legal grey area indeed.

    A resale ticket is not like an original ticket in that you've sold two items, 1. the ticket and 2. the service of having bought the ticket (potentially joining a queue, being ready by the computer at 7am and refreshing etc.), plus fronting the money for the ticket for a long time.
    No. That's like arguing that the grocer who sells me a block of cheese is actually selling me the cheese, plus the service of going to the market, buying the cheese and bringing it to a shop convenient to where I live.

    If the cheese turns out to be not fit for purpose - it's mouldy, say - the grocer repays me the full price. He doesn't get to withhold a portion to compensate him for his trouble in selling me the cheese in the first place.

    Same goes here. This is a concert ticket which doesn't secure admission to a concert; it's completely worthless. It's not fit for purpose. Refund the guy his money. Do it now, and with a good grace.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Mod:

    Certain posts have been deleted.

    Please note that personal attacks on the OP are not allowed.

    The standard of posting on this thread needs to fall into line with what is expected on this forum.

    Last on-thread warning.


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