The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Larbre34 · 21-05-2018 11:33PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Plenty of retain posters on here believe or at least spout this view.

And many tens of thousands of voters.

On radio earlier Matt Cooper couldnt get Cora Sherlock to say the actual words, but he pushed the point that she advocated underage girls being made carry to term.

Leaving aside the statutory rape, imagine the damage a full gestation baby could do to a 12yo body, c-section or not, just cos her ovaries just happen to be mature enough. Utterly inhumane.

Cupcake_Crisis · 21-05-2018 11:36PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

And many tens of thousands of voters.

On radio earlier Matt Cooper couldnt get Cora Sherlock to say the actual words, but he pushed the point that she advocated underage girls being made carry to term.

Leaving aside the statutory rape, imagine the damage a full gestation baby could do to a 12yo body, c-section or not, just cos her ovaries just happen to be mature enough. Utterly inhumane.

I find that that is where the no side fall down, particularly when it comes to who they put forward for public debates. None of them seem to be able to see past the fetus, regardless of gestational stage, and see the woman/girl who’s carrying it.

zeebre12 · 21-05-2018 11:36PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I can't bear to see this "lifestyle" "convenience" "social abortion" crap trotted out.

Anyone who makes such claims clearly has NO IDEA what is involved with seeing through a pregnancy and raising a child.
They genuinely mustn't have a notion.

Its actually infuriating. They wouldn't be long having some compassion if they specifically were the ones going through the trauma.

But I bet in later years they are not going to regret that they didn't have an abortion when they see their young child growing up. They need support. You can dress it up which ever way you like a life is a life. Lots of people living today would not be alive if we had abortion like the UK. So life only begins when it's out of the womb at 9 months?

freshpopcorn · 21-05-2018 11:45PM

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Two of them are from my constituency even Coffin chaser Mattie Mcgrath & Crook Lowry (Who is usually actually absent for a vote on something). I wouldn't dream of voting for either of them, the fact they can get elected has me very fearful of the counties vote.

Mattie for example voted against same sex marriage.
However the people I know in Tipp if they want help with a medial card or something always ends up with Mattie at the same time they supported the marriage referendum. Unless your die hard Yes/No voter people forget about referendums in my experience.
In my area the poll topper in the 2016 General Election was a county Councillor during the marriage referendum. He voted No to this. During the people's debate on Vincent Browne he was clear about his stance on abortion a firm No. Same during his campaigning. The local Together for Yes people are horrified with him and they say they'll never vote for him again. He couldn't have being clearly on his views.

Hotblack Desiato · 21-05-2018 11:51PM

nullzero wrote: »

convenience abortions

:rolleyes:

nullzero · 21-05-2018 11:53PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Rolleyes, you're after showing me.
Never mind the context.

Demonique · 21-05-2018 11:56PM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

If you're not sure vote NO

No, if you're unsure and remain sure probably best if you don't vote

nullzero · 21-05-2018 11:57PM

"It's not ageist to state that the average age at a "pro-life" novena is likely to be 80+, it's just a fact.

It's relevant to this discussion because it's symbolic of the massive decline in RCC participation and influence in our society, yet they still think our constitution and laws should reflect catholic doctrine.

I'll try to grab a pic on my way home and post it here, to get to the polling station in the church hall next to the church I mentioned, you have to walk through a gate which has a big "pro-life novena" poster on each pillar. This is the sort of crap which should absolutely not be allowed. I doubt the posters will be taken down by Friday but perhaps they will."

So you think people shouldn't be free to practice their religion, in places owned by that religion.
They shouldn't be allowed to put signs up, but yes campaign posters are OK?
I'm an atheist, but ffs live and let live. Or do you just want everyone to agree with you?

Your opinions are worrying, how far would you go to ensure freedom.of expression "shouldn't be allowed"?
The fvcking double think is mind boggling.
Let's get those geriatrics in church and make them agree with us.

Wrongway1985 · 22-05-2018 12:05AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Plenty of retain posters on here believe or at least spout this view.

Sadly enough yeah but it's not something others would condone,pressurizing rape victims into becoming mothers how could you?

It is for that reason I've found those taking a No stance when asked - Is there any situation you would support someone's want to get an abortion?...they generally refuse to answer as to admit that they would in instances of rape will crumble their stance. On the other hand they cannot be seen to be insulting to rape victims (unless you're John McGuirk of course).

Larbre34 · 22-05-2018 12:08AM

Average age at any Novena is 80+. Nothing new in that.

Overheal · 22-05-2018 12:21AM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

That fact check was so satisfying I should have had to pay for it.

need a cigarette?

Overheal · 22-05-2018 12:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

She's on about the vulture abortion clinics setting up shop in black neighbourhoods in the US now. :rolleyes:

You mean in places where property values are cheaper and that such clinics are usually shouldered into setting up due to TRAP laws?

Wrongway1985 · 22-05-2018 12:24AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Mattie for example voted against same sex marriage.
However the people I know in Tipp if they want help with a medial card or something always ends up with Mattie at the same time they supported the marriage referendum. Unless your die hard Yes/No voter people forget about referendums in my experience.
In my area the poll topper in the 2016 General Election was a county Councillor during the marriage referendum. He voted No to this. During the people's debate on Vincent Browne he was clear about his stance on abortion a firm No. Same during his campaigning. The local Together for Yes people are horrified with him and they say they'll never vote for him again. He couldn't have being clearly on his views.

I like to be aware of who I'm voting for what they do who they stand for etc, I usually avoid Pro-life mandates myself to be quite honest. I know this isn't how everyone votes, a colleague I work with voted for him simply because he thought the song one of his followers put together for his campaign was hilarious!! f sake like.

Cupcake_Crisis · 22-05-2018 12:32AM

Overheal wrote: »

need a cigarette?

Honestly. And it just got better towards the end. Essentially everything Mcguirk said (and he spoke predominantly about disability) was refuted and it fueled me.

Hotblack Desiato · 22-05-2018 12:34AM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Hi Susie, thank you for the reply.
There is of course another scenario. My wife was adopted back in the 80's, and most likely would have been aborted if it was available. That would have deprived me of her and our current family.

My wife was adopted in the 1970s and is canvassing with Together for Yes.

We are all accidents of birth at the end of the day, there were odds of millions to one against you or any of us being born. If any other of the many millions of sperm had won the race to the egg, you wouldn't have been conceived never mind born.

Cantona's Collars · 22-05-2018 12:48AM

After the Wexford v Dublin game yesterday they were gathered outside the ground handing out vote no leaflets and holding placards. Not even a GAA game is immune to this.

Hotblack Desiato · 22-05-2018 01:05AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I assumed that Fedelma Healy eimes(sp) was still a TD. It's seems she isn't.

Never a TD.

From her wiki:

She was an unsuccessful candidate at the 2002, 2007, 2011, and 2016 general elections for the Galway West constituency.[11] In the 2016 general election, she received 2.17% of the first preference vote, down from the 8.3% she had received in the 2011 election.[11]

Is being soundly rejected at four general elections in a row a record?

Hotblack Desiato · 22-05-2018 01:11AM

sabat wrote: »

I just want to say I'm really sorry for jumping in with some petty or confrontational posts earlier in this thread. I really didn't want to goad people but I guess a type of mist comes over your mind with certain topics and you say things you never would in person. Whatever happens on Friday I hope the winning side isn't triumphant and sneering against the other, and that we pause for reflection before going forward together positively.

I'm going to be triumphant as fcuk.

I've been waiting 35 years for my chance to vote down the 8th.

Hotblack Desiato · 22-05-2018 01:13AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I don't think any of these guys lost their seat tough!

Well most of them are still there!

All of the FGers lost their seats. Remember Renua?

Hotblack Desiato · 22-05-2018 01:18AM

nullzero wrote: »

Rolleyes, you're after showing me.
Never mind the context.

There is no possible context that makes those two words anything other than idiotic.

Wrongway1985 · 22-05-2018 01:20AM

I gathered a GAA match would be an exactly the type of susceptible environment for No campaigners tbh.

Hotblack Desiato · 22-05-2018 01:21AM

nullzero wrote: »

So you think people shouldn't be free to practice their religion, in places owned by that religion.
They shouldn't be allowed to put signs up, but yes campaign posters are OK?

Whooooooosh.

They can practice their religion away I never said anything otherwise.

What they can't do is put up anti-choice propaganda at a polling station, there are specific rules about posters etc. within the vicinity of a polling station in an attempt to ensure a neutral space.

Although when that 'neutral space' is on the grounds of a church and has statues by the door and a crucifix on the wall....

Hotblack Desiato · 22-05-2018 01:27AM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

This poster will have to be removed on polling day. Nothing advocating yes or no can be within 50 metres of a polling both. The polling booth staff will have that down by 7am.

Hope so. I've emailed the Dublin City returning officer with pictures.

We really should not be having polling stations on church grounds at all.

The bizarre foetus-fetishism of the picture is freaky in itself.

brooke 2 · 22-05-2018 01:41AM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Anyone else watching the tonight show? Eamon Dumphy is being uncharacteristicly reasonable.

Dunphy keeps contradicting himself. Hypocrite. :mad:

brooke 2 · 22-05-2018 01:45AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Lisa Chambers saying why it has to be removed. Speaking well

Lisa Chambers played a blinder. She made the very good point that it is not sufficient that the mother merely survives pregnancy - her health should not be allowed to deteriorate to the extent that she will never be completely well again.

brooke 2 · 22-05-2018 01:47AM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

She’s speaking extremely well imo, I’d say a lot of undecided voters will be learning from her. I hope.

Lisa is very articulate. In striking contrast to that bluffer Dunphy beside her who is all over the place.

brooke 2 · 22-05-2018 01:51AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Name of the one of the wards in Liverpool is the Shamrock suit. I think that is shocking and heartbreaking because it shows how many women are having to travel

I think it is a disgrace. So many Irish women forced to travel from their own country and our government content to allow them to do so. Let's vote 'Yes' on Friday!!

brooke 2 · 22-05-2018 01:54AM

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Mcguirk: I don't trust fact check journos I trust 3 judges...gets name of one of them completely wrong

Haha. He had to apologise to Barry White!

brooke 2 · 22-05-2018 02:01AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Had to laugh, he is voting no.
He voted no for divorce, but then got divorced!!

Loved when he corrected Matt that he had voted No for Divorce and Matt then asked him: 'But didn't you get divorced, Eamon?'

Dunphy is a hypocrite of the highest order. :mad:

brooke 2 · 22-05-2018 02:07AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Yes is Professor Mary Higgins and Simon Harris.
No is Cora Sherlock and Peadar Tóibín or Ronan Mullen.(More likely Peadar Tóibín).

Thank you.

Will definitely give it a miss!!

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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