The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

spookwoman · 21-05-2018 10:57PM

was in 2011 so john was wrong

gmisk · 21-05-2018 10:59PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Yes is Professor Mary Higgins and Simon Harris.
No is Cora Sherlock and Peadar Tóibín or Ronan Mullen.(More likely Peadar Tobin).

Peader Tóibín said he is on it on twitter

Wrongway1985 · 21-05-2018 10:59PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

No side lying b@stards that they would entertain a provision to deal with the hard cases!!

Yes not believable at all either considering a rake of the same crew rejected the bill brought about following Savita controversy. Their track record on the hard cases does not stack up.

SPOILER ALERT: all lads with no compassion.

Vote on Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill – Second Stage

138 Yes 24 No

*Ceann Comhairle Sean Barrett does not vote unless the issue is tied
*Socialist Party TD Joe Higgins was absent due to family illness in Kerry
*Independent TD Stephen Donnelly was absent
*Independent TD Tom Fleming abstained

No voters

FIANNA FÁIL

John Browne

Dara Calleary

Sean Fleming

Seamus Kirk

Michael P Kitt

Charlie McConalogue

Michael McGrath

John McGuinness

Éamon Ó Cuív

Seán Ó Fearghaíl

Willie O’Dea

Brendan Smith

Robert Troy

FINE GAEL - NO

Terence Flanagan

Peter Mathews

Billy Timmins

Brian Walsh

INDEPENDENTS - NO

Noel Grealish

Michael Healy-Rae

Colm Keaveney

Michael Lowry

Mattie McGrath

Denis Naughten

SINN FÉIN - NO

Tóibín, Peadar

nullzero · 21-05-2018 10:59PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Yeah thanks pal, I said whole in the same way you said ar5es. I am a in every respect a grammar nazi, and far more intelligent than most.

Swear words are usually blanked out in this site. I'm sure you already knew that with that superior intellectual prowess of yours deducing that was the reason for the use of a 5 in place on an s.

sabat · 21-05-2018 11:01PM

I just want to say I'm really sorry for jumping in with some petty or confrontational posts earlier in this thread. I really didn't want to goad people but I guess a type of mist comes over your mind with certain topics and you say things you never would in person. Whatever happens on Friday I hope the winning side isn't triumphant and sneering against the other, and that we pause for reflection before going forward together positively.

Cupcake_Crisis · 21-05-2018 11:01PM

That fact check was so satisfying I should have had to pay for it.

Larbre34 · 21-05-2018 11:03PM

nullzero wrote: »

Swear words are usually blanked out in this site. I'm sure you already knew that with that superior intellectual prowess of yours deducing that was the reason for the use of a 5 in place on an s.

Oh my jesus. Thats the very reason I added a 'W'. Dont say another word about intelligence.

gmisk · 21-05-2018 11:04PM

sabat wrote: »

I just want to say I'm really sorry for jumping in with some petty or confrontational posts earlier in this thread. I really didn't want to goad people but I guess a type of mist comes over your mind with certain topics and you say things you never would in person. Whatever happens on Friday I hope the winning side isn't triumphant and sneering against the other, and that we pause for reflection before going forward together positively.

Very decent of you, fair play.

I agree we all have to live in the same country afterwards when the voting is done.

nullzero · 21-05-2018 11:04PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Oh my jesus. Thats the very reason I added a 'W'. Dont say another word about intelligence.

Hole

Larbre34 · 21-05-2018 11:04PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Yes is Professor Mary Higgins and Simon Harris.
No is Cora Sherlock and Peadar Tóibín or Ronan Mullen.(More likely Peadar Tóibín).

Interesting.

nullzero · 21-05-2018 11:04PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Oh my jesus. Thats the very reason I added a 'W'. Dont say another word about intelligence.

You were saying?

gmisk · 21-05-2018 11:05PM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

That fact check was so satisfying I should have had to pay for it.

How many did they have for yes and no?
If you don't mind.

Dressing gown · 21-05-2018 11:05PM

sabat wrote: »

I just want to say I'm really sorry for jumping in with some petty or confrontational posts earlier in this thread. I really didn't want to goad people but I guess a type of mist comes over your mind with certain topics and you say things you never would in person. Whatever happens on Friday I hope the winning side isn't triumphant and sneering against the other, and that we pause for reflection before going forward together positively.

Well I’ve had a row with my own mum over it so totally understand how emotional this whole thing is. I think if yes win there will be celebration but I don’t think it will be sneering. Nothing as emotive as the issue of motherhood.

nullzero · 21-05-2018 11:06PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Oh my jesus. Thats the very reason I added a 'W'. Dont say another word about intelligence.

Again.
Hole.

Edit, I know it's way off topic but you're bragging about your intelligence. Hole isn't a swear word, the site doesn't take hole in context, ie hole in the ground or ask me hole, it still appears on screen the same. **** **** etc... Don't

PARlance · 21-05-2018 11:07PM

nullzero wrote: »

Hole

Mind blown... how did boards not censo4 that

Cupcake_Crisis · 21-05-2018 11:09PM

gmisk wrote: »

How many did they have for yes and no?
If you don't mind.

Take a wild guess! Although, in the interest of fairness, the 2 yes speakers weren’t relying on stats. But it was essentially all on points brought up by Mcguirk

gandalf · 21-05-2018 11:10PM

I thought the yes side articulated themselves very well. Fidelma Healy Eames was shown up as the complete and utter spoofer she is and given her meeting people stories fancies herself as diet Enda. John McGuirk is the gift that keeps on giving to the yes side. I would have thought that the no campaign would have learnt to keep him off the airwaves by now.

gmisk · 21-05-2018 11:10PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Interesting.

Professor Mary Higgins is normally very good, interesting she is the only doctor on panel.
She is hugely knowledgeable in fairness she Consultant Obstetrician/ Gynaecologist with a Sub-specialty in Maternal Fetal Medicine.
So a tad more qualified to discuss things than a blogger...

21-05-2018 11:11PM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Take a wild guess! Although, in the interest of fairness, the 2 yes speakers weren’t relying on stats. But it was essentially all on points brought up by Mcguirk

Waiting on the biased media, I did a great job tweets from him.

Itssoeasy · 21-05-2018 11:12PM

I think TV3 have done as good a job as can be expected with the two debates I've seen. Yes, there is talking over each other but that always happens. I think having no audience helps big time. The cb live debate from the bits I've heard sounded like up for the match which happens before the all Ireland.

freshpopcorn · 21-05-2018 11:14PM

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

No voters

FIANNA FÁIL

John Browne (Elected in second count.)

Dara Calleary

Sean Fleming

Seamus Kirk

Michael P Kitt

Charlie McConalogue

Michael McGrath

John McGuinness

Éamon Ó Cuív

Seán Ó Fearghaíl

Willie O’Dea

Brendan Smith

Robert Troy

FINE GAEL - NO

Terence Flanagan

Peter Mathews

Billy Timmins

Brian Walsh

INDEPENDENTS - NO

Noel Grealish

Michael Healy-Rae

Colm Keaveney

Michael Lowry

Mattie McGrath

Denis Naughten

SINN FÉIN - NO

Tóibín, Peadar

I don't think any of these guys lost their seat tough!

Well most of them are still there!

Cupcake_Crisis · 21-05-2018 11:14PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Waiting on the biased media, I did a great job tweets from him.

Oh god yeah. It’ll be all ‘the no side won the debate’ on every form of social media tomorrow. My Twitter is already crapping itself.

retro:electro · 21-05-2018 11:15PM

sabat wrote: »

Whatever happens on Friday I hope the winning side isn't triumphant and sneering against the other, and that we pause for reflection before going forward together positively.

If Yes wins I for one won’t be celebrating anyway. I see no joy in the fact that thousands of women will have to face heartbreaking decisions. What I will feel is relief, and a slight comfort knowing that those decisions can be made on home ground with their families and the right support. That’s how I look at it anyway. But having said that I wouldn’t deny some troopers on this thread a few large glasses of wine!

21-05-2018 11:15PM

gandalf wrote: »

I thought the yes side articulated themselves very well. Fidelma Healy Eames was shown up as the complete and utter spoofer she is and given her meeting people stories fancies herself as diet Enda. John McGuirk is the gift that keeps on giving to the yes side. I would have thought that the no campaign would have learnt to keep him off the airwaves by now.

His ego wouldn't allow that. If they had got rid of him his twitter posts about them would have sunk them faster than anything else he's done by keeping him on board.

Cupcake_Crisis · 21-05-2018 11:16PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I think TV3 have done as good a job as can be expected with the two debates I've seen. Yes, there is talking over each other but that always happens. I think having no audience helps big time. The cb live debate from the bits I've heard sounded like up for the match which happens before the all Ireland.

The tonight show undoubtedly had the better debate imo. People could actually speak and the had a fact checker on hand.

freshpopcorn · 21-05-2018 11:17PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I think TV3 have done as good a job as can be expected with the two debates I've seen. Yes, there is talking over each other but that always happens. I think having no audience helps big time. The cb live debate from the bits I've heard sounded like up for the match which happens before the all Ireland.

I actually think the Claire Byrne debate helped the Yes campaign not because it would turn people to voting No but it showed more of a reality how some people are. Some of the Together for Yes people I know were really living in a bubble until it!

Wrongway1985 · 21-05-2018 11:21PM

gandalf wrote: »

John McGuirk is the gift that keeps on giving to the yes side.

He unashamedly said it was his idea that with no say in the matter rape victims should carry their rapists child, I despair.

I can't imagine even that the majority of No voters could share that view, someone close to you who turns to you in that circumstance and your onus isn't to look after her in traumatic state but to prioritize her rapists baby...really now!?

21-05-2018 11:24PM

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

He unashamedly said it was his idea that with no say in the matter rape victims should carry their rapists child, I despair.

I can't imagine even that the majority of No voters could share that view, someone close to you who turns to you in that circumstance and your onus isn't to look after her in traumatic state but to prioritize her rapists baby...really now!?

Plenty of retain posters on here believe or at least spout this view.

21-05-2018 11:27PM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Oh god yeah. It’ll be all ‘the no side won the debate’ on every form of social media tomorrow. My Twitter is already crapping itself.

Not on it but looking forward to them alright.

Wrongway1985 · 21-05-2018 11:31PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I don't think any of these guys lost their seat tough!

Well most of them are still there!

Two of them are from my constituency even Coffin chaser Mattie Mcgrath & Crook Lowry (Who is usually actually absent for a vote on something). I wouldn't dream of voting for either of them, the fact they can get elected has me very fearful of the counties vote.

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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