The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Billy86 wrote: »

Not being funny here, but wouldn't this have to mean you are against the morning after pill? Or is there a specific time you would identify that it stops being cells and becomes 'a child'?

I'm not again Map - this is only effective for 5 days.

Monkey09 wrote: »

I'm not again Map - this is only effective for 5 days.

It doesn't work if you've already ovulated that month.

antiskeptic wrote: »

According to the linked site you can.

Any honest maths gurus who can work out the enhanced protection involved in 3 methods combined. Say the implant (99% effective and lasts 4 years) then a 90% effective and an 80% effective. Assume all 3 work together (no conflict or overlap of action), and are used correctly.

Except that unless one is 100% it will always have a failure rate. Even if it's a small failure rate, across a country of a couple of million people that's still alot of unwanted pregnancies

Why are we still going on about contraception and recreational sex? Seriously?

Toss off, people are going to have sex, some people are going to be very, very careful and a pregnancy would happen, other people are going to be not so careful and a pregnancy would happen too. Move past the issue regarding views on contraception, it's irrelevant, it doesn't work every time, all of the time.

Stop trying to dictate what form of sexual relations people have and what contraception they may or may not use, it doesn't matter if a pregnancy is intentional or accidental, if the woman wants to end it she should have the right to end it, it isn't my business, it isn't your business, it isn't anyone else's business but her own, her own reasons as to why and she should not have that taken away from her by people who otherwise don't give a bollocks about her in any other circumstance.

Sick and tired of all this pro-life nonsense of focusing on ridiculous things and making absurd remarks without an ounce of education around the entire situation or any tact whatsoever.

I'm tired of this subtle slut shaming, I'm tired of this NIMBYism, I'm tired of the misogyny, I'm tired of the constant shaming of mental health as a sufficient ground for abortion. If I was a woman and I was 100% positive I could not mentally contend with a pregnancy I did not want I would be online ordering pills or I'd be booking a Ryanair flight ASAP, that's it. My mental health would mean much more to me than the opinion of those who don't give a toss about what happens to the baby (if I had it) after it's born providing I don't abort it.

I'm staunchly pro-life but I do not want to be sitting on a poxy flight to England again with my partner because she doesn't qualify for an abortion under the current laws and acts here. I do not also want to be sitting on a flight to England with my future daughter(s) if they ever became pregnant and did not want to continue that pregnancy.

I hate the idea of 3k+ women having to travel to another country to gain access to an abortion to end a pregnancy they don't want for any number of reasons. I would rather them not travel, so that they may be surrounded by those they love to receive care, support and not feel the shame and vitriol that society (or a very particular part of society) places upon them.

Repeal the 8th.

robarmstrong wrote: »

Why are we still going on about contraception and recreational sex? Seriously?

Toss off, people are going to have sex, some people are going to be very, very careful and a pregnancy would happen, other people are going to be not so careful and a pregnancy would happen too. Move past the issue regarding views on contraception, it's irrelevant, it doesn't work every time, all of the time.

Stop trying to dictate what form of sexual relations people have and what contraception they may or may not use, it doesn't matter if a pregnancy is intentional or accidental, if the woman wants to end it she should have the right to end it, it isn't my business, it isn't your business, it isn't anyone else's business but her own, her own reasons as to why and she should not have that taken away from her by people who otherwise don't give a bollocks about her in any other circumstance.

Sick and tired of all this pro-life nonsense of focusing on ridiculous things and making absurd remarks without an ounce of education around the entire situation or any tact whatsoever.

I'm tired of this subtle slut shaming, I'm tired of this NIMBYism, I'm tired of the misogyny, I'm tired of the constant shaming of mental health as a sufficient ground for abortion. If I was a woman and I was 100% positive I could not mentally contend with a pregnancy I did not want I would be online ordering pills or I'd be booking a Ryanair flight ASAP, that's it. My mental health would mean much more to me than the opinion of those who don't give a toss about what happens to the baby (if I had it) after it's born providing I don't abort it.

I'm staunchly pro-life but I do not want to be sitting on a poxy flight to England again with my partner because she doesn't qualify for an abortion under the current laws and acts here. I do not also want to be sitting on a flight to England with my future daughter(s) if they ever became pregnant and did not want to continue that pregnancy.

I hate the idea of 3k+ women having to travel to another country to gain access to an abortion to end a pregnancy they don't want for any number of reasons. I would rather them not travel, so that they may be surrounded by those they love to receive care, support and not feel the shame and vitriol that society (or a very particular part of society) places upon them.

Repeal the 8th.

there's the solution right there

Monkey09 wrote: »

According to abortion facts, an unborn baby feels pain from 8 weeks.

"Abortion facts" are lying to you.

Monkey09 wrote: »

According to abortion facts, an unborn baby feels pain from 8 weeks.

abortion facts are wrong. There is some evidence that they can feel pain at 20 weeks but that isn't relevant to anything proposed in Ireland.

https://journals.lww.com/neurotodayonline/Fulltext/2006/01170/WHEN_DOES_A_FETUS_FEEL_PAIN_.3.aspx

PhoenixParker wrote: »

For anyone reading along at home who is concerned about the legal abortions = more abortions issue, this study from the US is worth reading.

That said, official numbers will certainly rise. The abortions we know about today are only part of the story. Women give UK addresses at UK clinics. Women risk 14 years in jail ordering pills off the internet. These abortions are happening today, but are not counted.

If abortion is made available legally without restriction as proposed, all of these hidden abortions will go on the record, and the rate will certainly be higher than the official numbers today.