8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

Pugzilla wrote: »

Patients will try to sue doctors for anything. They practice defensive medicine for that reason. Give a CT scan (a big dose of radiation) to someone who happens to be pregnant and you've opened the door to a multi million euro lawsuit. When people see how lucrative it can be, then they'll take advantage of the system.

Seriously?

You are suggesting that a woman who needs a scan would get pregnant and lie about it so she can give birth to a deformed baby and cash in????

That's the worst one yet.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Seriously?

You are suggesting that a woman who needs a scan would get pregnant and lie about it so she can give birth to a deformed baby and cash in????

That's the worst one yet.

Well, you know women , instead of using birth control will just be riding every man in sight, wait 38 weeks then nip down to the local hospital, have an abortion in time to head out on a Friday night to start again.................

Pugzilla wrote: »

Don't know why everyone is so triggered. I originally replied to someone who thought pregnancy tests before procedures were being performed due to the eight amendment. This is done in every country, regardless of abortion legality.

Noone said that?


I'll break it down for you

- woman goes to hospital for a procedure involving radiation.

- Everyone knows that radiation is dangerous to a foetus so she is asked to take a pregnancy test. Literally nobody on this thread has a problem with this.

- their point is that, in Ireland, if it is discovered that the woman is unknowingly pregnant she will not have the option to terminate her pregnancy and continue with the treatment if she so wishes.

-Likewise if a woman is diagnosed with a life threatening condition which requires radiation treatment while pregnant. She cannot choose to have life saving treatment over continuing the pregnancy

- It's the fact that she does not have a choice in her own health that is the problem, not that she has to take the test in the first place

-Therefore, it is related to the 8th amendment.

Was that hard to understand? I mean I've literally just jumped into this thread and read back a few pages and managed to grasp it straight away. It's almost as if you are being wilfully ignorant.

Pugzilla wrote: »

Don't know why everyone is so triggered. I originally replied to someone who thought pregnancy tests before procedures were being performed due to the eight amendment. This is done in every country, regardless of abortion legality.

It’s the fact, as has been repeatedly pointed out, that other countries will then ask the woman if she wants a termination that is the point. The 8th denies this choice to Irish women.

Pugzilla wrote: »

You're really naive. Vast majority of people making personal injury claims are lying.

You'll have a source for that, I assume?

Pugzilla wrote: »

People are trying to make routine pregnancy tests an issue related to the eight amendment, which is completely false.

They aren't though . It's what happens afterwards that's the issue, and it's completely related to the 8th amendment

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Noone said that?

Ah, now Banna was giving out about the fact that she was made take a test, even though she was gay, each week before undergoing a trial treatment, and why couldn't they take her word for it.

However, Pugzilla has just grabbed and ran with it.

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

now all I can see is Neil DeGrasse Tyson in a cape, tights and underwear, with great shapely cartoon legs, and bunny ears.

Thanks Nozz. That's my evening of binge watching Viking completely fecked. :mad:

Pugzilla wrote:

People are trying to make routine pregnancy tests an issue related to the eight amendment, which is completely false.

Ok so pregnancy tests are routine procedure before radiation or commencement of chemotherapy.

A woman is unknowingly pregnant.

Now, in other civilised countries: termination is an option to continue with treatment.

In Ireland: termination is not possible. Because of the 8th

Assetbacked wrote: »

Women don't pursue careers as much as men do due to their wish to have babies, for example.

It's amazing no one has written a paper on how women have made an enormous leap in evolution in the last few years . Just imagine we were unable to work, vote, be responsible for our own contraception, make a decision on our own about how we wanted to live our lives because we had a uterus and uncontrollable need to breed all the time. We couldn't be left on our own for fear of getting a case of the vapours
We've only just become sentient enough to decide if we want to have children or not, to have careers even leave the house on house on our own.
:rolleyes:

Pugzilla wrote: »

I'm not debating that, I was replying to an angry lesbian who thinks doctors and nurses should take her word for it that she's not pregnant. Any woman of childbearing age (including young teenage girls where it's extremely unlikely, we hope) will get a pregnancy test before being exposed to radiation.

Pretty sure the immaculate conception couldn't have happened to her

Pugzilla wrote: »

What am I wrong about? Routine pregnancies tests are a precaution, just like checking a patient's ID or allergy status, to both avoid harming patients and being open to litigation.

Who said otherwise?

erica74 wrote: »

Who said otherwise?

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I took part in a cancer treatment trial about 11 years ago and every single time I turned up for the treatment the conversation went like this:

"We need you to take a pregnancy test"
"No need. I'm not pregnant"
"How can you be sure? No contraception is 100% effect you know"
"I'm sure, and I know".
"well what form of contraception are you using???"
"Homosexuality".

Every. Single. Time.

This is where he's getting hung up, and to be honest, I read it the "same" way.