8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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gmisk · 18-05-2018 04:02PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Domestic of course!

I have an idea which way she might vote......

Then again wee Daniel O'Donnell shocked me by supporting SSM.

_Dara_ · 18-05-2018 04:03PM

trixi001 wrote: »

And if the life of the mother is at risk, there is the option to terminate the pregnancy here also.
A woman with cancer, can have an abortion and then radiotherapy - that is not against the constitution - as there is a real risk to the life of the mother - the risk does not have to be immediate.

bubblypop wrote: »

When there is an immediate risk to the life of the mother. Any woman will not be given a termination in this country if she has early stages of cancer. My cousin underwent 6 months of chemo & radiation after it. She was given a pregnancy test before each dose, she asked what would happen if she was pregnant & she was told by the nurse she wouldn't get her treatment, she would have to decide herself whether to terminate or not. & would have to travel to do it.

What bubblypop said.

freshpopcorn · 18-05-2018 04:06PM

gmisk wrote: »

I have an idea which way she might vote......

Then again wee Daniel O'Donnell shocked me by supporting SSM.

Well Dana voted No!

Guy:Incognito · 18-05-2018 04:06PM

gmisk wrote: »

I have an idea which way she might vote......

Then again wee Daniel O'Donnell shocked me by supporting SSM.

Maybe he was keeping his options open

gmisk · 18-05-2018 04:08PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Maybe he was keeping his options open

Ha ha. That is bold.

Majella and him seem lovely tbh, I wouldnt be a fan of his singing but by all accounts he is an absolute gent and terrifically nice to his fans.

i much prefer wee D to Dana Domestic anyway.

NuMarvel · 18-05-2018 04:08PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Has Dana made a statement yet?

Imagine the meltdown she'd have if she was President. What would she do when asked to sign off on the new Article if the referendum was carried? Or any new legislation that would follow.

_Dara_ · 18-05-2018 04:08PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Has Dana made a statement yet?

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Domestic or international?

*applause*

Just excellent.

gmisk · 18-05-2018 04:10PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

*applause*

Just excellent.

I know...i wish I had more than one like to give that comment!

sightband · 18-05-2018 04:10PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

Last night a No voter aggressively followed us around reciting the bible and claiming we were ignoring 'facts', he only left us alone when we said we were calling the guards. A woman was assaulted on the Dart the other day just for reading a Yes leaflet that was handed to her outside the station. There are several examples on twitter of grown men getting right in the faces of female Yes campaigners in order to intimidate them. Any Yes campaigners I've met have been polite and respectful.

Last night a Yes voter aggressively followed us around reciting a Daniel O Donnell song and claiming we were ignoring ‘facts’, she only left me alone after she asked me if I understood how painful child birth was and how difficult it was to carry something you don’t want inside you for 9 months, when I said no, she shoved a rugby ball up my rectum and told me to get back to her in 9 months.

This anecdotal muck drives me nuts, and this is coming from a yes voter myself.

Did you ever consider the yes campaigners you’ve met have been polite and respectful because you agree with them and with each other “vote yes” “yes f*ck you, I am voting yes” isn’t the usual script from two people in agreement with one another. I also suspect that if a No voter said you were ignoring facts you obviously engaged in argument with him, or did he just suddenly acost you and say you are ignoring facts and quoting the bible? If so, Dundrum Central is where he belongs.

You’re as bad as each other in terms of tolerance and respect for other people’s beliefs, don’t lose sight of that.

freshpopcorn · 18-05-2018 04:11PM

gmisk wrote: »

I have an idea which way she might vote......

Then again wee Daniel O'Donnell shocked me by supporting SSM.

The last time we had a few surprise about who was voting yes. Nobody this time tough.

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ANXIOUS · 18-05-2018 04:17PM

bubblypop wrote: »

When there is an immediate risk to the life of the mother. Any woman will not be given a termination in this country if she has early stages of cancer. My cousin underwent 6 months of chemo & radiation after it. She was given a pregnancy test before each dose, she asked what would happen if she was pregnant & she was told by the nurse she wouldn't get her treatment, she would have to decide herself whether to terminate or not. & would have to travel to do it.

Not about the referendum, I've spoke to two women today after reading your post. They both beat cancer and said they never had to take a pregnancy test, can anyone else confirm please?

optimist16 · 18-05-2018 04:17PM

I took a drive to Sligo yesterday to relax and enjoy the sunshine. Barely a YES poster in 100kms. All the posters around me are NO and I've only met NO campaigners whilst shopping.
Got to the end of the beach and looked back to see the NO on Benbulben. Walked back to the car and saw my first YES that someone had written in the sand. I felt better at that. I'd felt somewhat demonised for my own beliefs. I know which way I'll be voting and no amount of debate or canvassing will sway me. Two gentleman told me their views whilst looking at Benbulben and strongly felt that it is a woman's choice. I thanked them but still felt unable to voice my opinion.
My concern is that should the 8th be repealed women won't feel able to avail of it and will still go to the UK. Whilst the government doesn't want to see specialised clinics will this mean that medical staff will be put in an impossible situation?
If I can be made feel demonised for my beliefs I worry for those women who are in such terrible circumstances and need compassion.

gmisk · 18-05-2018 04:17PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

The last time we had a few surprise about who was voting yes. Nobody this time tough.

Well I was pleasantly surprised to see Micheal Martin supporting a repeal.
But yes I know what you mean.

18-05-2018 04:19PM

sightband wrote: »

Last night a Yes voter aggressively followed us around reciting a Daniel O Donnell song and claiming we were ignoring ‘facts’, she only left me alone after she asked me if I understood how painful child birth was and how difficult it was to carry something you don’t want inside you for 9 months, when I said no, she shoved a rugby ball up my rectum and told me to get back to her in 9 months.

This anecdotal muck drives me nuts, and this is coming from a yes voter myself.

Did you ever consider the yes campaigners you’ve met have been polite and respectful because you agree with them and with each other “vote yes” “yes f*ck you, I am voting yes” isn’t the usual script from two people in agreement with one another. I also suspect that if a No voter said you were ignoring facts you obviously engaged in argument with him, or did he just suddenly acost you and say you are ignoring facts and quoting the bible? If so, Dundrum Central is where he belongs.

You’re as bad as each other in terms of tolerance and respect for other people’s beliefs, don’t lose sight of that.

What the ...?

I was simply pointing out that there is plenty of aggression on the No side in response to the comments made by a poster on this thread.

I get the sense you think I'm making up what happened last night, I can assure you I'm not, but if you don't want to believe me that's fine. We did not engage with him, he saw the Yes badges and started on us, we said we understand that you have a different opinion and moved on, he followed us.

I am part of a canvassing group and I have witnessed the interactions my colleagues have had with people, including No voters and members of the No campaign when we've inadvertently crossed paths. No insults, no hysterics, everyone behaved themselves. That has been my experience, but again you can choose not to believe me if you wish.

gmisk · 18-05-2018 04:20PM

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Not about the referendum, I've spoke to two women today after reading your post. They both beat cancer and said they never had to take a pregnancy test, can anyone else confirm please?

There is a good explainer here
http://www.thejournal.ie/cancer-treatment-while-pregnant-4001479-May2018/
I think it depends on a few different factors, like type of cancer, stage of pregnancy etc possibly.
Many of the treatments would be Teratogenic which can cause birth defects.

SusieBlue · 18-05-2018 04:20PM

trixi001 wrote: »

And if the life of the mother is at risk, there is the option to terminate the pregnancy here also.
A woman with cancer, can have an abortion and then radiotherapy - that is not against the constitution - as there is a real risk to the life of the mother - the risk does not have to be immediate.

Well as a woman currently going through treatment to prevent cancer, I have to do a pregnancy test before each treatment and I've already been told by the medical staff looking after me that should I fall pregnant, I won't be receiving any additional treatment until that is no longer the case.
This translates to no more treatment until I have a baby in 9 months time, or until I travel to the UK for a termination.

Its very easy to dismiss these concerns when you aren't actually the one who is unwell.
Are you telling me that if you found out tomorrow you were pregnant while receiving cancer treatment, you would be delighted and have absolutely no concerns about your healthcare, and would be confident that the health system would prioritise you and look after you properly?
Pull the other one.

ANXIOUS · 18-05-2018 04:22PM

gmisk wrote: »

There is a good explainer here
http://www.thejournal.ie/cancer-treatment-while-pregnant-4001479-May2018/
I think it depends on a few different factors, like type of cancer, stage of pregnancy etc possibly.

Thanks, like I suspected if you tell them you're pregnant they'll investigate but won't go looking as was implied by the other poster.

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gmisk · 18-05-2018 04:25PM

optimist16 wrote: »

I took a drive to Sligo yesterday to relax and enjoy the sunshine. Barely a YES poster in 100kms. All the posters around me are NO and I've only met NO campaigners whilst shopping.
Got to the end of the beach and looked back to see the NO on Benbulben. Walked back to the car and saw my first YES that someone had written in the sand. I felt better at that. I'd felt somewhat demonised for my own beliefs. I know which way I'll be voting and no amount of debate or canvassing will sway me. Two gentleman told me their views whilst looking at Benbulben and strongly felt that it is a woman's choice. I thanked them but still felt unable to voice my opinion.
My concern is that should the 8th be repealed women won't feel able to avail of it and will still go to the UK. Whilst the government doesn't want to see specialised clinics will this mean that medical staff will be put in an impossible situation?
If I can be made feel demonised for my beliefs I worry for those women who are in such terrible circumstances and need compassion.

Fair play to you it must be tough being totally surrounded by No posters, campaigners etc, I suppose Dublin is a bit of a bubble from that POV, there are still a lot more no posters, but I have seen plenty of yes people campaigning when out around town.

I think GPs etc will essentially have conscience clause so they could refer a patient to someone else? I could be wrong...can anyone else advise?

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SusieBlue · 18-05-2018 04:26PM

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Thanks, like I suspected if you tell them you're pregnant they'll investigate but won't go looking as was implied by the other poster.

I assured the medical staff looking after me that I'm not pregnant, but I still have to pee on a stick at every appointment to prove it.

fxotoole · 18-05-2018 04:28PM

optimist16 wrote: »

I took a drive to Sligo yesterday to relax and enjoy the sunshine. Barely a YES poster in 100kms. All the posters around me are NO and I've only met NO campaigners whilst shopping.
Got to the end of the beach and looked back to see the NO on Benbulben. Walked back to the car and saw my first YES that someone had written in the sand. I felt better at that. I'd felt somewhat demonised for my own beliefs. I know which way I'll be voting and no amount of debate or canvassing will sway me. Two gentleman told me their views whilst looking at Benbulben and strongly felt that it is a woman's choice. I thanked them but still felt unable to voice my opinion.
My concern is that should the 8th be repealed women won't feel able to avail of it and will still go to the UK. Whilst the government doesn't want to see specialised clinics will this mean that medical staff will be put in an impossible situation?
If I can be made feel demonised for my beliefs I worry for those women who are in such terrible circumstances and need compassion.

Don’t worry, society is changing slowly over time. In 10 years time, demonisation like this will be a thing of the past. The influence of the Catholic Church and ultra conservative organisations is waning.

Just her · 18-05-2018 04:54PM

erica74 wrote: »

I can honestly say I haven't had a bad experience with any campaigners involved on the Yes side and I'm talking about over a number of years now, since they started the whole campaign initially just pushing for the Referendum etc.

Sure you're in agreement with them. How are you going to fall out with them.

nice_guy80 · 18-05-2018 04:54PM

Some amount of NO signs after going up in the last few days

meeeeh · 18-05-2018 04:57PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Some amount of NO signs after going up in the last few days

Well they have a bit of spare cash since Goggle cancelled the ads.

erica74 · 18-05-2018 05:05PM

trixi001 wrote: »

And if the life of the mother is at risk, there is the option to terminate the pregnancy here also.
A woman with cancer, can have an abortion and then radiotherapy - that is not against the constitution - as there is a real risk to the life of the mother - the risk does not have to be immediate.

So you have no idea what you're talking about at all then, do you?

thebull85 wrote: »

Why does the anger seem more prevalent on the repeal side though? Why are they angry, why the contempt for opposing views.

The head on some of them young women, theyd have you locked up and the key thrown away for opposing them and there views if they had the chance.

What does "the head" on some of them have to do with you getting locking up?

Bannasidhe · 18-05-2018 05:07PM

thebull85 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnacb9RzdNw

I not buying it.
I suspect you never had any intention of voting Yes and are engaging in a good ol muck flinging exercise (not very) thinly veiled as these obstreperous chung wans are the "cause" of my voting No.

Cheek of them getting passionate about what happens to their bodies eh, who do they think they are? Don't they have sammiches to make and ironing to do?

Bannasidhe · 18-05-2018 05:10PM

joe40 wrote: »

What were they doing, you've got me intrigued?

I don't know. Bull can't seem to get his link to work. Perhaps he could ask a young woman who isn't off being passionate about some stupid "cause" to help him.

Oh - it's working. Gosh. What a shower of hoydens. Down with that kind of thing!

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