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ROSA using Savita...

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  • 18-05-2018 9:32am
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    Zulu
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    I see ROSA (Socialist Feminist Movement) have put up posters with Savita image in their input to the campaign.


    I understood that her family expressly asked that she not be dragged into this. Did they get permission? Or are they being exceptionally obnoxious?


    It would be flipping fantastic if this thread could last 3 pages about the topic (use of her image without families consent - if that is indeed the case) before being dragged down the toilet hole of the abortion debate. Here's to hoping...


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    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    ROSA are a major problem for yes.


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    vgf1995
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    Zulu wrote: »
    I see ROSA (Socialist Feminist Movement) have put up posters with Savita image in their input to the campaign.


    I understood that her family expressly asked that she not be dragged into this. Did they get permission? Or are they being exceptionally obnoxious?


    It would be flipping fantastic if this thread could last 3 pages about the topic (use of her image without families consent - if that is indeed the case) before being dragged down the toilet hole of the abortion debate. Here's to hoping...

    A quick google will tell you that her father gave permission for her image to be used...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/savita-halappanavar-s-father-urges-yes-vote-in-abortion-referendum-1.3457368


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    seamus
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    Savita's family expressly gave permission for her image to be used in support of a Yes vote.

    However, the main Yes campaign have declined to do so out of respect.


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    Zulu
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    seamus wrote: »
    Savita's family expressly gave permission for her image to be used in support of a Yes vote.

    However, the main Yes campaign have declined to do so out of respect.
    Cool thanks. I thought I heard on one of the debates that the husband had ask for her not to be used. Seems I heard wrong!

    I see its the father in the IT article above. I take it then that the husband and father are on the same page? (or could that be part of the reason the Yes campaign are refraining out of respect?)


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    Zulu
    Registered Users Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    vgf1995 wrote: »
    A quick google will tell you that her father gave permission for her image to be used...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/savita-halappanavar-s-father-urges-yes-vote-in-abortion-referendum-1.3457368
    Well actually a quick google gave me nothing, hence the thread. Perhaps if I'd googled for longer I might have gotten to your link.


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    seamus
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    Zulu wrote: »
    Cool thanks. I thought I heard on one of the debates that the husband had ask for her not to be used. Seems I heard wrong!

    I see its the father in the IT article above. I take it then that the husband and father are on the same page? (or could that be part of the reason the Yes campaign are refraining out of respect?)
    My understanding is that the husband has made a decision to just put it behind him and move on, so he's not gotten involved. He's emigrated to the US permanently. This was partially a work decision and partially because he received a significant amount of racist hate mail.


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    DickSwiveller
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    What do you expect from a bunch of hard left fanatics?


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    jaykay74
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    seamus wrote: »
    Savita's family expressly gave permission for her image to be used in support of a Yes vote.

    However, the main Yes campaign have declined to do so out of respect.
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    What do you expect from a bunch of hard left fanatics?

    :confused:


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    vicwatson
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    seamus wrote: »
    My understanding is that the husband has made a decision to just put it behind him and move on, so he's not gotten involved. He's emigrated to the US permanently. This was partially a work decision and partially because he received a significant amount of racist hate mail.

    Source?


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    Zulu
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    seamus wrote: »
    ... racist hate mail.
    Jesus :(



    Where is there so many jerks?


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    Zulu
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    vicwatson wrote: »
    Source?
    You want a source for "his understanding"??

    Really???


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    DickSwiveller
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    jaykay74 wrote: »
    :confused:

    The Rosa nuts are deliberately lying.


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    jaykay74
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    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    The Rosa nuts are deliberately lying.

    about having permission to use her image you mean ?


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    Dial Hard
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    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    The Rosa nuts are deliberately lying.

    About what?


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    DickSwiveller
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    Dial Hard wrote: »
    About what?

    About the Savita case. It's been shown over and over that she wasn't a victim of our laws but these people are still willing to lie about it.


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    jaykay74
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    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    About the Savita case. It's been shown over and over that she wasn't a victim of our laws but these people are still willing to lie about it.


    This thread is about the consent of her family to use her image though. Whats your opinion on that ?
    OP It would be flipping fantastic if this thread could last 3 pages about the topic (use of her image without families consent - if that is indeed the case) before being dragged down the toilet hole of the abortion debate.


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    Ash.J.Williams
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    Zulu wrote: »
    I see ROSA (Socialist Feminist Movement) have put up posters with Savita image in their input to the campaign.


    I understood that her family expressly asked that she not be dragged into this. Did they get permission? Or are they being exceptionally obnoxious?


    It would be flipping fantastic if this thread could last 3 pages about the topic (use of her image without families consent - if that is indeed the case) before being dragged down the toilet hole of the abortion debate. Here's to hoping...

    same can be said about downes syndrome and the NO campaign


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    Ash.J.Williams
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    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    About the Savita case. It's been shown over and over that she wasn't a victim of our laws but these people are still willing to lie about it.

    a nurse did tell her "this is a catholic country" she regrets it now but she said it...


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    Ash.J.Williams
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    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    About the Savita case. It's been shown over and over that she wasn't a victim of our laws but these people are still willing to lie about it.
    are you conservative about abortion but cool with dickswiviling?


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    DickSwiveller
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    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    are you conservative about abortion but cool with dickswiviling?

    I suppose you're trying to be funny. Dick Swiveller is a character from a Dickens book, The Old Curiousity shop. I've no interest in Dick Swivelling


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    DickSwiveller
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    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    a nurse did tell her "this is a catholic country" she regrets it now but she said it...

    So what? Nothing to do with my point.


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    jaykay74
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    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    So what? Nothing to do with my point.

    So what is your point in relation to the use of the image which is what this thread is about ? Do you think the family consent to its use or not ?


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    wexie
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    Zulu wrote: »
    Jesus :(



    Where is there so many jerks?

    Plenty of em right here on our beloved boards


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    seamus
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    vicwatson wrote: »
    Source?
    http://www.thejournal.ie/praveen-halappanavar-receiving-abusive-letters-from-campaigners-977966-Jul2013/


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    SusieBlue
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    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    So what? Nothing to do with my point.

    She said it when she was denying Savita's request for an abortion.
    If she had been granted this abortion when she asked, her baby wouldn't have stayed inside her for a whole extra week slowly dying, it wouldn't have poisoned her, she wouldn't have developed sepsis, and she wouldn't have died.

    "This is a catholic country" is very relevant.


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    groovyg
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    seamus wrote: »
    My understanding is that the husband has made a decision to just put it behind him and move on, so he's not gotten involved. He's emigrated to the US permanently. This was partially a work decision and partially because he received a significant amount of racist hate mail.

    There are still racist undertones when her name is mentioned now, you could see it on Claire Byrne car crash debate the other night when her name was mentioned there was jeering from the audience. Considering the audience was made up of doctors, lawyers, TDs as well as bereaved parents and others I don't see anything funny about somebody dying from a septic miscarriage in fact I think its quiet scary because miscarriage should be straight forward enough to treat.


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    Zulu
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    groovyg wrote: »
    There are still racist undertones when her name is mentioned now, you could see it on Claire Byrne...
    Really? Racist undertones?? Can you explain this a bit more please? I didnt pick that up and it's a fairly serious assertion.


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    SusieBlue
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    Zulu wrote: »
    Really? Racist undertones?? Can you explain this a bit more please? I didnt pick that up and it's a fairly serious assertion.

    While I can't say if it was race related, I did find the jeering and sneering from supposedly professional members of the audience when her name was mentioned to be in very poor taste.

    I can see why there is a difference of opinion in whether people believe the 8th is to blame for her death, but it cannot be denied it had a hand in her death.

    I can understand that some people blame medical negligence, and that's fine, once we acknowledge that the medical negligence couldn't have occurred if she had been granted an abortion when she requested on.

    This arrogant full flair dismissal of the 8th having any connection at all with her death is disgusting, misleading, and disrespectful.
    Not to mention the noise from the audience when the matter was raised.

    I think people forget that she was a real person with a real family who love her (and who all, incidentally, blame the 8th for her death) and the lack of consideration for that is disgraceful.


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    One eyed Jack
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    She said it when she was denying Savita's request for an abortion.
    If she had been granted this abortion when she asked, her baby wouldn't have stayed inside her for a whole extra week slowly dying, it wouldn't have poisoned her, she wouldn't have developed sepsis, and she wouldn't have died.

    "This is a catholic country" is very relevant.


    Anyone can develop sepsis?

    People who have surgery are particularly at risk (though the incidences of sepsis are higher in males), and it's actually rife in Irish hospitals (a rise of 67% between 2011-2016). I'd consider that a far more relevant contributing factor in her death than one of the medical teams personal opinions.

    As regards the topic of the thread itself, I don't see any reason why a campaign group shouldn't use a public figure to convey their message, in the same way as I don't see any reason why a campaign group shouldn't use children with disabilities to convey their message. I don't agree with the idea that any campaign group should capitulate to the wishes of people who claim to represent the people they represent.

    If everyone were held to that standard, neither side could say anything, which might not be such a bad thing either I suppose... :pac:


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    SusieBlue
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Anyone can develop sepsis?

    People who have surgery are particularly at risk (though the incidences of sepsis are higher in males), and it's actually rife in Irish hospitals (a rise of 67% between 2011-2016). I'd consider that a far more relevant contributing factor in her death than one of the medical teams personal opinions.

    Her sepsis was caused by her miscarriage. It poisoned her.
    If she had been given an abortion when she requested one, she wouldn't have died, because the situation wouldn't have progressed to the point where the baby was poisoning her.


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