Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

bilston · 16-05-2018 08:17PM

Actually Ulster probably can't complain too much on the basis we have poached McFarland from Scotland.

prawnsambo · 16-05-2018 08:17PM

bilston wrote: »

To me it would say a lot more about Gibbes than Ulster.

Sorry, but we all know why he was leaving. The 'family reasons' were just a convenient excuse that protected Ulster from their coach saying it was a basket case in public. when Kiss left and Gibbes said he didn't want Kiss's job, I said Gibbes wouldn't be long following him.

bilston · 16-05-2018 08:21PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

bilston wrote: »

To me it would say a lot more about Gibbes than Ulster.

Sorry, but we all know why he was leaving. The 'family reasons' were just a convenient excuse that protected Ulster from their coach saying it was a basket case in public. when Kiss left and Gibbes said he didn't want Kiss's job, I said Gibbes wouldn't be long following him.

To be honest I really did think he was returning for family reasons.

Squidgy Black · 16-05-2018 08:23PM

Ulster wouldn't have released him otherwise. They'd be well within their rights to pursue anyone for a buyout of the remainder of his contract.

I know things are gone to sh1t up there but I just can't see them releasing him early and coming up with some story about going home for family reasons, for him to then be shopping around other clubs in Europe.

Former Former · 16-05-2018 08:24PM

awec wrote: »

If it turns out to be true he should be pursued to pay up the remainder of his contract

He's working out his notice period as we speak so I don't think it's an issue

launish116 · 16-05-2018 08:26PM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Ulster wouldn't have released him otherwise. They'd be well within their rights to pursue anyone for a buyout of the remainder of his contract.

I know things are gone to sh1t up there but I just can't see them releasing him early and coming up with some story about going home for family reasons, for him to then be shopping around other clubs in Europe.

Wouldn't be the first time? Afoa was similar was he not?

Squidgy Black · 16-05-2018 08:31PM

launish116 wrote: »

Wouldn't be the first time? Afoa was similar was he not?

Afoa was out of contract at the time I believe and didn't pursue an extension, similar thing where he said he was going home but he wasn't released from a contract or anything like that.

launish116 · 16-05-2018 08:36PM

It's no surprise realistically just a complete piss take is true days before such a big game.

God it must suck being Ulster Rugby's PR manager, constantly scraping the barrel for good news... throw in a thumping at the weekend and Challenge Cup rugby. Next weeks news would need to be world class x 3.
We'd be better sacking everyone and letting McFarland start completely fresh with who he wants and the squad he wants.

Former Former · 16-05-2018 08:37PM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Ulster wouldn't have released him otherwise. They'd be well within their rights to pursue anyone for a buyout of the remainder of his contract.

I know things are gone to sh1t up there but I just can't see them releasing him early and coming up with some story about going home for family reasons, for him to then be shopping around other clubs in Europe.

They didn't release him. As we found out in the Pat Lam saga, all provincial coaches can break their contracts with a six month notice period.

Ulster aren't entitled to a buyout and he's entitled to go wherever he wants.

irishbucsfan · 16-05-2018 08:58PM

Former Former wrote: »

They didn't release him. As we found out in the Pat Lam saga, all provincial coaches can break their contracts with a six month notice period.

Ulster aren't entitled to a buyout and he's entitled to go wherever he wants.

All absolutely true, but understandably leaves a bitter taste if someone says they are going home for family reasons and then they don't go home.

Clegg · 16-05-2018 09:15PM

So Gibbs just wanted to get out of Ulster as fast as he could? I can't blame them as they're a mess both on and off the field. Those problems predate Gibbs of course

awec · 16-05-2018 09:51PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

All absolutely true, but understandably leaves a bitter taste if someone says they are going home for family reasons and then they don't go home.

It makes him look like a spineless coward.

Former Former · 16-05-2018 09:51PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

All absolutely true, but understandably leaves a bitter taste if someone says they are going home for family reasons and then they don't go home.

I would say it's equally likely that Ulster asked him to say that tbh.

Also very possible that this story is not true. Even if he was going there, visiting La Rochelle three days before Ulster's last game?? Seems unlikely

prawnsambo · 16-05-2018 10:02PM

awec wrote: »

It makes him look like a spineless coward.

Does it? He's leaving, he shouldn't give a flying fcuk what he says. Ulster Rugby on the other hand...

Tigerandahalf · 16-05-2018 10:05PM

Does this 6 month clause equally mean Connacht will be paying Kieran Keane's wages for the next 6 months?

awec · 16-05-2018 10:05PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Does it? He's leaving, he shouldn't give a flying fcuk what he says. Ulster Rugby on the other hand...

If he wanted to leave because the job was too hard then no bother, just leave and say it wasn't what you signed up for.

To say you're going home for family reasons when really you just wanted out to look for another job then that's fairly spineless.

prawnsambo · 16-05-2018 10:08PM

awec wrote: »

If he wanted to leave because the job was too hard then no bother, just leave and say it wasn't what you signed up for.

To say you're going home for family reasons when really you just wanted out to look for another job then that's fairly spineless.

You don't think UR wouldn't like their outgoing coach answering questions about what exactly was wrong and how it can't be fixed by the incumbent? Yeah, that's going to make it an easy sell for the next guy. :rolleyes:

awec · 16-05-2018 10:11PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

You don't think UR wouldn't like their outgoing coach answering questions about what exactly was wrong and how it can't be fixed by the incumbent? Yeah, that's going to make it an easy sell for the next guy. :rolleyes:

Are you really suggesting Ulster Rugby would use "family reasons" as a deliberate obfuscation of reality?

That seems a bit tasteless.

"Here Johnno, it's awful that you want to leave and all but could you pretend you have a family problem to do us a favour?"

Dubinusa · 16-05-2018 10:11PM

He's probably pissed about kiss been canned. Wants no part of Ulsters DOR

prawnsambo · 16-05-2018 10:14PM

awec wrote: »

Are you really suggesting Ulster Rugby would use "family reasons" as a deliberate obfuscation of reality?

That seems a bit tasteless.

It's nearly a cliché at this stage. How many times has that been used as a reason for someone leaving? It could mean anything.

Tigerandahalf · 16-05-2018 10:14PM

awec wrote: »

Are you really suggesting Ulster Rugby would use "family reasons" as a reason to hide an alternative motive for leaving?

That seems a bit tasteless.

Family reasons could be as simple as the wife hating the Ulster weather!
After being in Clermont with skiing in the winter and blue skies come summer you couldn't blame a family for finding it hard to adjust, especially after the horrible winter/spring we have had.

Squidgy Black · 16-05-2018 10:15PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

You don't think UR wouldn't like their outgoing coach answering questions about what exactly was wrong and how it can't be fixed by the incumbent? Yeah, that's going to make it an easy sell for the next guy. :rolleyes:

Somehow I think the next guy will be well aware of what they're getting into regardless of what Gibbes could have said.

This could all be absolute tripe and L'Equipe could be talking out of their arse, but if it's true I think Gibbes would've come across a lot better if himself and UR had said he was stepping aside to allow for a complete change in management or something along those lines, rather than making up false excuses like family reasons which no doubt will cause drama if untrue.

bilston · 16-05-2018 10:16PM

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Family reasons could be as simple as the wife hating the Ulster weather!
After being in Clermont with skiing in the winter and blue skies come summer you couldn't blame a family for finding it hard to adjust, especially after the horrible winter/spring we have had.

Spring has been perfectly nice thank you very much! Some nice dry sunny mild days and the odd rainy day...perfect Spring weather, what's not to like, a bit of everything.

MJohnston · 16-05-2018 10:25PM

No matter how good the weather, you're still in Belfast...

Paul Smeenus · 16-05-2018 11:25PM

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molloyjh · 17-05-2018 06:58AM

awec wrote: »

It makes him look like a spineless coward.

I’m sorry, I thought personal abuse was against the charter......

Seriously though, what the actual f*** is this? What’s the point of posting it? A spineless coward? Really? You’re sure you’re not overreacting just a tad?

I must admit though, it is amusing that Gibbs is getting this reaction and yet when senior figures start throwing players under the bus that isn’t seen as spineless or cowardly. Outrage is a funny thing I suppose...

irishbucsfan · 17-05-2018 07:00AM

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Mod edit: Please do not post potentially libellous allegations, or personal information about players, coaches or their families.

Gibbes may have intended to go back, gave his reasons, and then got a potential offer that was too good to turn down. We'll never know.

The timing of it does seem off though, you'd think it wouldn't be happening this week. Maybe it happened last week though.

Former Former · 17-05-2018 07:13AM

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Does this 6 month clause equally mean Connacht will be paying Kieran Keane's wages for the next 6 months?

Yes. But without the clause, they'd be paying him for two years

awec · 17-05-2018 07:37AM

molloyjh wrote: »

I’m sorry, I thought personal abuse was against the charter......

Seriously though, what the actual f*** is this? What’s the point of posting it? A spineless coward? Really? You’re sure you’re not overreacting just a tad?

I must admit though, it is amusing that Gibbs is getting this reaction and yet when senior figures start throwing players under the bus that isn’t seen as spineless or cowardly. Outrage is a funny thing I suppose...

I already explained it. If he wants to go to France then just say it, to hide behind “family reasons” is absolutely spineless. Not the sort of person Ulster need in charge, so if it’s true we’re probably better off without.

And yes, outrage is a funny thing. Your own reaction is not exactly consistent here.

irishbucsfan · 17-05-2018 07:39AM

awec wrote: »

I already explained it. If he wants to go to France then just say it, to hide behind “family reasons” is absolutely spineless. Not the sort of person Ulster need in charge, so if it’s true we’re probably better off without.

And yes, outrage is a funny thing. Your own reaction is not exactly consistent here.

You're making a massive assumption here

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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