8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

Sofiztikated · 15-05-2018 10:26AM

For some, taking responsibility is procuring an abortion.

And how would you prove an "actual rape case abortion"?

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Sofiztikated · 15-05-2018 10:29AM

reubenreuben wrote: »

That's pure bull, its not hard to find someone to prosecute. Just look in the papers.
If they did prosecute they can choose out of 3000 a year.

Gardai wont touch it, there would be riots on the streets

There was literally a bus going around the country handing out pills, tweeting where it was, what it was doing, who was there.

If I did that, handing about 50 bags of kush, the Gardai would be on me, quick sticks.

gmisk · 15-05-2018 10:29AM

Another new poster another no shock horror.

What the hell is this nonsensical term social abortion?

Translation woman close your legs you harlots., love both?
Don't make me laugh

Frank Bullitt · 15-05-2018 10:30AM

If anyone has "made their mind up" after watching last nights "debate", you need to get your head checked.

dudara · 15-05-2018 10:31AM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Just the one Yes poster left up in Corduff this morning, and a fresh batch of shiny No posters with some new message about British abortion figures.

Pretty much the same situation down the N3, The No posters suddenly outnumber the Yes's by about 4 to 1.

I'm guessing the money which was intended for the Google campaign is now going into the poster campaign.

I'm seeing a hell of a lot of fresh "No" posters going up at the moment. They appear to be accelerating their campaign and it's clear that they have a lot of money to do so. I assume that their goal is to target the undecideds and get them either to vote No, or abstain.

Where is their sense of fair play though? Even though I vehemently disagree with them, I would never take down their posters and replace with one of my side. That's just unethical. One thing this entire referendum has made clear to me is that there's a need for stronger control of campaign material and stricter rules on campaign conduct.

NuMarvel · 15-05-2018 10:33AM

Moiratat wrote: »

I would like to canvas for together for yes but I'd only be able to help out mostly Wednesdays and Sundays , I'm in the Blanchardstown area, I'm not sure how to go about it but I need to do my part.

There's a Together For Yes Dublin West group that covers Blanchardstown and they'd love new members I'm sure. I can't link to them at the moment, but you'll find them on Facebook or Twitter.

Or you can get in touch with the main T4Y group here and they'll put you in touch with your nearest group - https://join.togetherforyes.ie/.

ohnonotgmail · 15-05-2018 10:33AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

There was literally a bus going around the country handing out pills, tweeting where it was, what it was doing, who was there.

If I did that, handing about 50 bags of kush, the Gardai would be on me, quick sticks.

On the off chance you do that drop me a PM.

On a more serious note i was talking to somebody at the weekend involved in a service that provides the abortion pills to women. They average about 2 women a day. I dont think people realise how much of this is currently going on in Ireland.

antiskeptic · 15-05-2018 10:35AM

gmisk wrote: »

This was so unbalanced towards the no side.

I counted 4 no people in a row speaking ridiculous, if was based on a clap o meter no side will win my a landslide.

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How about combining forms of contraception and rendering chances of failure next to zero.

It depends on how much you value life in the womb of course.

Only a fraction of the 100,000 abortions a year in the UK citing "failure of contraceptive" are failure of the actual contraceptive.

Folk arent stupid. They know what people are like.

ohnonotgmail · 15-05-2018 10:37AM

antiskeptic wrote: »

How about combining forms of contraception and rendering chances of failure next to zero.

It depends on how much you value life in the womb of course.

Only a fraction of the 100,000 abortions a year in the UK citing "failure of contraceptive" are failure of the actual contraceptive.

Folk arent stupid. They know what people are like.

I cant believe that after 26000+ posts we are still stuck on slut-shaming.
Even combining multiple forms of contraception is not 100% effective. but you know that already.

Ave Sodalis · 15-05-2018 10:37AM

antiskeptic wrote: »

How about combining forms of contraception and rendering chances of failure next to zero.

It depends on how much you value life in the womb of course.

Only a fraction of the 100,000 abortions a year in the UK citing "failure of contraceptive" are failure of the actual contraceptive.

Folk arent stupid. They know what people are like.

I currently use three. There's still a risk I could get pregnant. The lack of knowledge people have on contraception is worrying, we really need to step up our sex ed.

Also, what exactly are people like?

Sofiztikated · 15-05-2018 10:38AM

antiskeptic wrote: »

How about combining forms of contraception and rendering chances of failure next to zero.

It depends on how much you value life in the womb of course.

Only a fraction of the 100,000 abortions a year in the UK citing "failure of contraceptive" are failure of the actual contraceptive.

Folk arent stupid. They know what people are like.

I'll await your calculations on how effective rates work.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-05-2018 10:39AM

cherryghost wrote: »

Yes its up in bus shelters

Perfectly legal to rip that tripe down, as it has no right to be there in the first place.

Providing you disposed of it thoughtfully, you'd be doing a civic duty

15-05-2018 10:40AM

dudara wrote: »

I'm seeing a hell of a lot of fresh "No" posters going up at the moment. They appear to be accelerating their campaign and it's clear that they have a lot of money to do so. I assume that their goal is to target the undecideds and get them either to vote No, or abstain.

Where is their sense of fair play though? Even though I vehemently disagree with them, I would never take down their posters and replace with one of my side. That's just unethical. One thing this entire referendum has made clear to me is that there's a need for stronger control of campaign material and stricter rules on campaign conduct.

are they actually allowed do that?? I've seen both on the same lamp post, Isn't it an offence to remove one????

AnneFrank · 15-05-2018 10:40AM

reubenreuben wrote: »

Watched the claire byrne show last night.

All the heckling and laughing at the doctor peter boyle just shows that the no side are pure evil and dont care about the mother or foetus.

It showed the no campaigners to be pure fundamentalists. Black or white. Nothing inbetween.

I think how condescending he was to everyone else turned the crowd against him, he was a very poor speaker.
They all were apart from Maria Steen who stole the show, Mary Lou did ok for the yes side until she started mentioning Sinn Fein voters and that she was pro life.
The gp's for no who worked in the UK, both women also had a big impact.

15-05-2018 10:41AM

reubenreuben wrote: »

That's pure bull, its not hard to find someone to prosecute. Just look in the papers.
If they did prosecute they can choose out of 3000 a year.

Gardai wont touch it, there would be riots on the streets

no, all it takes is someone to make a complaint. How do you think Gardai know which women have taken abortion pills? They need a complaint & it will happen.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-05-2018 10:41AM

reubenreuben wrote: »

That's pure bull, its not hard to find someone to prosecute. Just look in the papers.
If they did prosecute they can choose out of 3000 a year.

Gardai wont touch it, there would be riots on the streets

Any of the women importing pills could be prosecuted easily, when a package gets intercepted by customs it has their address or parcel motel account details on it. No need for a member of the public to make a complaint, customs already have prima facie evidence of an offence.

But yes there would be riots if it happened.

AnneFrank · 15-05-2018 10:42AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I cant believe that after 26000+ posts we are still stuck on slut-shaming.
Even combining multiple forms of contraception is not 100% effective. but you know that already.

Or social abortion as it was called last night, not the very small % of hard cases, that should have been legislated for.

AnneFrank · 15-05-2018 10:43AM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Any of the women importing pills could be prosecuted easily, when a package gets intercepted by customs it has their address or parcel motel account details on it. No need for a member of the public to make a complaint, customs already have prima facie evidence of an offence.

But yes there would be riots if it happened.

Has it ever happened ?

Calina · 15-05-2018 10:44AM

Definitely noticing an uptick in social media activity against repeal today.

Sofiztikated · 15-05-2018 10:45AM

bubblypop wrote: »

no, all it takes is someone to make a complaint. How do you think Gardai know which women have taken abortion pills? They need a complaint & it will happen.

There's no needs for a complaint.

If it was murder, would the Gardai wait for someone to say "I'm annoyed about this" before investigation?

robarmstrong · 15-05-2018 10:45AM

AnneFrank wrote: »

Or social abortion as it was called last night, not the very small % of hard cases, that should have been legislated for.

What is "social abortion" to you?

Abortion for a reason you don't agree with, basically.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-05-2018 10:45AM

AnneFrank wrote: »

Or social abortion as it was called last night, not the very small % of hard cases, that should have been legislated for.

After all the tripe you've posted, don't try and fool me that you care about the 'hard cases'. FFS.

Sofiztikated · 15-05-2018 10:46AM

AnneFrank wrote: »

Has it ever happened ?

Should it?

15-05-2018 10:49AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

There's no needs for a complaint.

If it was murder, would the Gardai wait for someone to say "I'm annoyed about this" before investigation?

how do you expect Gardai to know a woman has taken abortion pills?
Do you think we have psychic police?

AnneFrank · 15-05-2018 10:49AM

robarmstrong wrote: »

What is "social abortion" to you?

Abortion for a reason you don't agree with, basically.

A healthy baby, and healthy mother, so the vast majority of cases

Hotblack Desiato · 15-05-2018 10:49AM

AnneFrank wrote: »

Has it ever happened ?

If a law is unprosecutable, doesn't that make it a bad law which should be removed? It can't be removed without repealing the 8th.

antiskeptic · 15-05-2018 10:51AM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Really? You use the genocide of Jews as an comparative example. Seriously?
How subtle.

Get out of that garden you spoofer!

I now think the No side are going to lose bigtime now. They're loons!

The reason why the holocaust comes into it rests on the fundamentals, not on the specifics.

1. You have someone who wants something for themselves.

2. Another person stands in their way.

3. There is a moral obstacle to overcome getting what you want so the other person is rendered sub human or non human

4. Once the above is achieved, the obstacle non person can be exterminated. You now get what you want.

Since the vast majority of abortions won't be difficult cases but will instead involve a degree of selfishness, holocaust comparisons enter the equation.

You can say life in the womb isnt life worth enough. But folk know that on many cases, selfishness is present. Rendering the choice to diminish life in the womb somewhat self-serving and convenient.

Like, with so much to gain for yourself, a person would say that, wouldn't they?

Its not like that in all cases. It will be a difficult choice for many. Nevertheless, many will end up pregnant due to carelesness. And many will want to escape consequences of that carelessness for the most selfish and puerile reasons.

A.o.d. doesnt distinguish.

robarmstrong · 15-05-2018 10:51AM

AnneFrank wrote: »

A healthy baby, and healthy mother, so the vast majority of cases

Again -

How do you know the babies and mothers are healthy?

Are the vast majority of cases healthy mothers aborting healthy babies? Where is the record of this vast majority? I see 97% of abortions being performed on grounds of mental health issues. If someone has mental health issues, are they healthy?

SusieBlue · 15-05-2018 10:52AM

AnneFrank wrote: »

Or social abortion as it was called last night, not the very small % of hard cases, that should have been legislated for.

Even if it was just for the "hard cases", the 8th should be repealed to accommodate those families.

There is no such thing as social abortion.
Its a dismissive, offensive term used to trivialise the extremely difficult circumstances a woman finds herself in where abortion is the only option.

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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