8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 14-05-2018 06:09PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

the only good thing about the NO brigade is their utter arrogance and belief that are always right and think they know best for everyone.

Because of this arrogance I know of 3 people who previously were undecided now voting yes due to the no brigades self righteous arrogance and behavior and how they think they have some right to dictate what others should be allowed to do with their own bodies when their health could be on the line.

I hope their arrogance continues to grow until it comes back to bite them

I was out door to door canvassing and a woman kicked off, tearing up leaflets and "ye're a disgrace" and going to get her two small children and shouting at the poor girls who'd knocked on her door to "look them in the eyes and tell them what ye're doing!". I gather this mother of the year was probably a hard no voter.

Anyway what she didn't realise was that her neighbour a couple of doors up who was undecided had been perusing the literature he'd gotten while having a cigarette and overheard all this, he made a point of coming up to the girls and telling "Just want to let ye know it'll be a yes from me anyways".

So while I'd say that woman got a nice buzz of self-righteousness off her performance piece, she actually helped get another yes vote in the bag.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Warning - Obstreperous Pandemic

What in the name of bejaysis is the CSP? I'm fierce obstreperous, I better watch out!

Tom Mann Centuria · 14-05-2018 06:09PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

It probably actually is. I've likely forgotten many, many of the lies told so far, but it's hard to keep track.

If the content is what you want, leave it in, just add paragraphs to make it easier to read.

SusieBlue · 14-05-2018 06:09PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

It's a bit short ?

Yeah, she should have stuck to something similar to the ‘save the 8th’ sound bites you repeatedly posted.

Ave Sodalis · 14-05-2018 06:11PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote:

If the content is what you want, leave it in, just add paragraphs to make it easier to read.

I'm not sure what else I'm forgetting.

It actually is paragraphed on Facebook, not really sure why it didn't translate over. Ah well!

Tom Mann Centuria · 14-05-2018 06:12PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

I'm not sure what else I'm forgetting.

It actually is paragraphed on Facebook, not really sure why it didn't translate over. Ah well!

Well it puts your reason's for voting yes across pretty well as it is imo.

RobertKK · 14-05-2018 06:18PM

Maybe Leo Varadkar thinks the referendum will fail?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/proposal-to-allow-abortion-up-to-12-weeks-may-be-a-step-too-far-taoiseach-1.3351057

The Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has raised concern that the proposal to make abortion on request legal up to 12 weeks may be “a step too far” for the majority of the public.

Meanwhile 15 obstetricians from the south/southwest hospital group have written to Dr Peter Boylan to stop campaigning for repeal or else step down as president of the institute of obstetricians and gynaecologists.

https://twitter.com/AilbheConneely/status/996052100160327682

Sofiztikated · 14-05-2018 06:18PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

It's a bit short ?

Shush, you're actually being obstreperous.

erica74 · 14-05-2018 06:20PM

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/John_McGahon/status/995407350390493184

...I like being right...but not in this case.

That is actually disgusting. Fair play to the canvassers for keeping a cool head. That type of person just wants an argument, a shouting match and then he can say "oh those murderers are mean".

Diogenesthedog wrote: »

If it disabled her then I'd totally agree that would be cause for abortion. However if someone wanted an abortion because it coincided with her skiing holiday then I don't think that's adequate grounds.

What if it coincided with her trip to Ibiza? Is that a more valid reason?

Now, you might come back and say "there's no need for the sarcasm" but I'm just trying to highlight how ludicrous your little made up unacceptable scenario is.

In any event, someone who is going to get an abortion because it coincides with her skiing holiday is probably not the best mother figure? And someone who has an abortion because it coincided with her skiing holiday is probably going to travel for an abortion anyway.

Can it be inserted into the sticky CONTRACEPTION IS NOT 100% EFFECTIVE.

A yes vote means that there will be change. A no vote means everything will stay the same. So if you're not happy with the current regime, then vote yes. Abstaining from voting is the same as voting no because you are not contributing to change.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Warning - Obstreperous Pandemic

Round of applause.

If this referendum is going to be associated with any one word, it's going to be obstreperous:pac: Are they planning on targeting obstreperous men or just obstreperous girls? Can men be obstreperous or is it just girls?

January · 14-05-2018 06:21PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Maybe Leo Varadkar thinks the referendum will fail?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/proposal-to-allow-abortion-up-to-12-weeks-may-be-a-step-too-far-taoiseach-1.3351057

Meanwhile 15 obstetricians from the south/southwest hospital group have written to Dr Peter Boylan to stop campaigning or else step down as president of the institute of obstetricians and gynaecologists.

https://twitter.com/AilbheConneely/status/996052100160327682

First article is from January...

Meanwhile over 1,000 doctors, from all kinds of different backgrounds from GP's to obstetricians, and all verifiable as active on the Irish Medical Council's register (unlike some of the 'doctors' from the No side) have come out in favour of repeal - https://www.joe.ie/politics/doctors-together-yes-eighth-amendment-625738

Grayson · 14-05-2018 06:22PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Warning - Obstreperous Pandemic

69 friend requests. La di dah. :P

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 14-05-2018 06:24PM

Hoyden is another semi-arcane word that goes very well with obstreperous.

Obstreperous hoydens for repeal!

RobertKK · 14-05-2018 06:24PM

January wrote: »

First article is from January...

Meanwhile over 1,000 doctors, from all kinds of different backgrounds from GP's to obstetricians, and all verifiable as active on the Irish Medical Council's register (unlike some of the 'doctors' from the No side) have come out in favour of repeal - https://www.joe.ie/politics/doctors-together-yes-eighth-amendment-625738

Still stands as it is is gaining No voters.

So 1,000 out of over 20,000, so 5%.

wexie · 14-05-2018 06:26PM

January wrote: »

First article is from January...

Meanwhile over 1,000 doctors, from all kinds of different backgrounds from GP's to obstetricians, and all verifiable as active on the Irish Medical Council's register (unlike some of the 'doctors' from the No side) have come out in favour of repeal - https://www.joe.ie/politics/doctors-together-yes-eighth-amendment-625738

I was wondering 15 out of how many alright....

Grayson · 14-05-2018 06:27PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

I know this leave me open to being recognised, but spent the last hour or two coming with a Facebook status. Any feedback on it would be great

Strangly your link is a Facebook link. I didn't follow it as I'm on the bus. However it might be worth putting a link to the hiqa report for savita as well and direct people to the conclusions.

January · 14-05-2018 06:27PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Still stands as it is is gaining No voters.

So 1,000 out of over 20,000, so 5%.

I don't understand your first sentence...

Still more than what's come out publicly as the no side...

wexie · 14-05-2018 06:28PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Still stands as it is is gaining No voters.

So 1,000 out of over 20,000, so 5%.

Oh you just assume that all the ones that haven't publicly spoken out are no voters?

Hahahaha!!!!

RobertKK · 14-05-2018 06:28PM

wexie wrote: »

I was wondering 15 out of how many alright....

It is a group of obstetricians in the south/southwest hospital group. Comparing apples and oranges to use a nationwide figure for repeal.

It wasnt me123 · 14-05-2018 06:29PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

Looks like a good panel too, delighted Maria Steen is on.

Unfortunately I'm not, can't stand the woman with her school marmish way but hopefully the facts on the yes side with shine through her hyperbole on the No side.

Let the games begin :rolleyes:

wexie · 14-05-2018 06:29PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is a group of obstetricians in the south/southwest hospital group. Comparing apples and oranges to use a nationwide figure for repeal.

yes, 15 out of how many in that hospital group, you don't think that's relevant somehow?

RobertKK · 14-05-2018 06:30PM

wexie wrote: »

Oh you just assume that all the ones that haven't publicly spoken out are no voters?

Hahahaha!!!!

I have spun nothing. Just read the tweet again, the reaction to the tweet is rather stupid.
https://twitter.com/AilbheConneely/status/996052100160327682

It doesn't say they are for retain, just want the president to stop campaigning.

theballz · 14-05-2018 06:32PM

In the space of 2 mins I was stopped by 4 people canvassing for the Yes campaign. One of them got slightly aggressive with me, it’s so over the top and I feel like it’s being shoved down our throats

Im voting yes either way but I don’t agree with how they are going about this campaign

Ave Sodalis · 14-05-2018 06:32PM

Grayson wrote: »

Strangly your link is a Facebook link. I didn't follow it as I'm on the bus. However it might be worth putting a link to the hiqa report for savita as well and direct people to the conclusions.

The HSE report is there. I think because I copied it from Facebook, Facebook put their claim on it, but it should lead to the report

Overheal · 14-05-2018 06:32PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is a group of obstetricians in the south/southwest hospital group. Comparing apples and oranges to use a nationwide figure for repeal.

And where are your figures or is this just more whinging because the Yes side is reporting another foot forward

Overheal · 14-05-2018 06:33PM

theballz wrote: »

In the space of 2 mins I was stopped by 4 people canvassing for the Yes campaign. One of them got slightly aggressive with me, it’s so over the top and I feel like it’s being shoved down our throats

Im voting yes either way but I don’t agree with how they are going about this campaign

What is slightly aggressive?

Grayson · 14-05-2018 06:33PM

January wrote: »

First article is from January...

Meanwhile over 1,000 doctors, from all kinds of different backgrounds from GP's to obstetricians, and all verifiable as active on the Irish Medical Council's register (unlike some of the 'doctors' from the No side) have come out in favour of repeal - https://www.joe.ie/politics/doctors-together-yes-eighth-amendment-625738

Health service unable to cope with demand if abortion legalised, medics claim (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/health-service-unable-to-cope-with-demand-if-abortion-legalised-medics-claim-1.3494997

That's from today's news. Some doctors are saying we won't have capacity for abortions. There's two things wrong with this.

1) you don't make something illegal because of the cost.
2) it would seem that they're fine with abortion so long as it's in the UK.

He also says that doctors who are OK with abortion are OK with it because they were exposed to it. (bit of paraphrasing there). Surely that means that the more experienced doctors are OK with it.

wexie · 14-05-2018 06:33PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I have spun nothing. Just read the tweet again, the reaction to the tweet is rather stupid. If they had been yes there wouldn't have been the same rubbish.
https://twitter.com/AilbheConneely/status/996052100160327682

What rubbish?

You're posting this like 15 is somehow a significant number yet you can't tell me what % those 15 represent.

Paranoid Bob · 14-05-2018 06:35PM

King of Kings wrote: »

I am well aware the repeal doesnt bring in 12 weeks but that is what the government will put through the dail if ths 8th is repealed.
so in practial terms that is what we are voting on.

OK, so repeal the 8th and then lobby for the legislation to be changed.
There is absolutely no guarantee that the current proposed legislation will be passed. We have a hung Dáil, most parties are allowing a free vote on this, most FF TDs are against it and I would not be in the least bit surprised to see defections from FG like with the same sex marriage vote.

Even if the legislation does pass; changing it is relatively easy. Campaign for the TDs who agree with your views. Be part of the democratic process.

The current system is inhumane. I violates the human rights of the women of our country, it adds to suffering in already difficult conditions and it leads to women being denied or delayed medical treatment even when they are not pregnant. Repealing the 8th is the only way to fix all that. If the legislation is not right then it can be changed; maybe even before the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act is replaced.

It wasnt me123 · 14-05-2018 06:35PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

It probably actually is. I've likely forgotten many, many of the lies told so far, but it's hard to keep track.

She was probably being sarcastic, that's about her limit.

Well done in trying to cover everything, I wouldn't even have known where to start. Any chance you could share it with Together for Yes so that we can all pick it up and share it. Hopefully the undecideds and not bothereds will read it and it will make them think.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

theballz · 14-05-2018 06:36PM

Overheal wrote: »

What is slightly aggressive?

Grabbed my arm and stepped on of me. She said something along the lines of “It’s people like you who are the reason for this vote” and was visibility angry

RobertKK · 14-05-2018 06:36PM

Overheal wrote: »

And where are your figures or is this just more whinging because the Yes side is reporting another foot forward

What does "the yes side is reporting another foot forward" mean?

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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