Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

ED E · 13-05-2018 04:01PM

Rake of idiots on the R755 today, everyone else was on good behavior.

Fighting Tao · 13-05-2018 04:06PM

Boilermaker wrote: »

Was the bike functioning properly? I heard of a case where a cyclist hit into the side of a car when they were going down a hill, the car breaked to turn but the cyclist did not have functioning breaks.
Had the insurance known the bike didn't have functioning breaks, I'm sure the wouldn't have paid out for the injuries which were substantial.

Please stop this stupidness. He was hit by an overtaking car.

RacoonQueen · 13-05-2018 04:07PM

Boilermaker wrote: »

Was the bike functioning properly? I heard of a case where a cyclist hit into the side of a car when they were going down a hill, the car breaked to turn but the cyclist did not have functioning breaks.
Had the insurance known the bike didn't have functioning breaks, I'm sure the wouldn't have paid out for the injuries which were substantial.

Cool story, bro.

Boilermaker · 13-05-2018 04:13PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Please stop this stupidness. He was hit by an overtaking car.

Sorry I forgot you are a collision investigator, I think I'll wait till your full report before making my mind up.
You're awfully biased thought, try keep in mind that us cyclists are not always the victim.

Kaisr Sose · 13-05-2018 04:17PM

Boilermaker wrote: »

Was the bike functioning properly? I heard of a case where a cyclist hit into the side of a car when they were going down a hill, the car breaked to turn but the cyclist did not have functioning breaks.
Had the insurance known the bike didn't have functioning breaks, I'm sure the wouldn't have paid out for the injuries which were substantial.

I was talking to a guy in a bar and he told me ...(fill in the rest as you wish)...

RacoonQueen · 13-05-2018 04:18PM

Boilermaker wrote: »

Sorry I forgot you are a collision investigator, I think I'll wait till your full report before making my mind up.
You're awfully biased thought, try keep in mind that us cyclists are not always the victim.

The way you presented your made up story makes it sound like the driver was in the wrong. Maybe you should have tried harder to present the imaginary cyclist in a bad light?

Boilermaker · 13-05-2018 04:21PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

The way you presented your made up story makes it sound like the driver was in the wrong. Maybe you should have tried harder to present the imaginary cyclist in a bad light?

I should have stated it was a teenager on a BMX, who think that using their feet as breaks is better than using the breaks on their bike.

Kaisr Sose · 13-05-2018 04:23PM

Boilermaker wrote: »

Afraid not, pm me your name, address and phone number and I'll put you in touch .

No interest. I honestly don’t think you have a clue what your are saying in your posts. Why would I even want to give you that information ?

Boilermaker · 13-05-2018 04:25PM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

No interest. I honestly don’t think you have a clue what your are saying in your posts. Why would I even want to give you that information ?

Don't accuse me of telling an untrue story then.

TheChizler · 13-05-2018 04:35PM

Boilermaker wrote: »

I should have stated it was a teenager on a BMX, who think that using their feet as breaks is better than using the breaks on their bike.

That was in the report was it?

Fighting Tao · 13-05-2018 04:40PM

Boilermaker wrote: »

Sorry I forgot you are a collision investigator, I think I'll wait till your full report before making my mind up.
You're awfully biased thought, try keep in mind that us cyclists are not always the victim.

There is no need for bias, and why would I be? I drive more than I cycle.

When a car is overtaking and a cyclist is hit, it means that the driver could not have made a safe manoeuvre and therefore is at fault. If it was a safe manoeuvre then there would not have been a collision. Think about it.

Tenzor07 · 13-05-2018 05:01PM

Boilermaker wrote: »

I should have stated it was a teenager on a BMX, who think that using their feet as breaks is better than using the breaks on their bike.

Give us a Brake!

Fighting Tao · 13-05-2018 05:06PM

I have a feeling that we met this poster in a past life.

Kaisr Sose · 13-05-2018 05:50PM

Boilermaker wrote: »

Don't accuse me of telling an untrue story then.

??? Where did I do that?

We are just discussing a kid that was caused to fall off his bike by a car that overtook him Nothing else.

Put the ‘brakes’ on, you may run into the mods.

CramCycle · 13-05-2018 05:56PM

MOD VOICE: Handbags away, if you feel a poster is breaking the rules, report the post, do not call it out in thread. Next one to go down that route gets carded.

CramCycle · 13-05-2018 06:34PM

Boilermaker wrote: »

There is two sides to every story, simple as. I wouldn't like any of the recent posters to be on a jury.

@boilermaker, the first posts you are responding too have only one side of the story. Since there are no other sides here as the story is anonymous, we take it as is unless some info presented suggests otherwise.

Boilermaker wrote: »

Was the bike functioning properly? I heard of a case where a cyclist hit into the side of a car when they were going down a hill, the car breaked to turn but the cyclist did not have functioning breaks.
Had the insurance known the bike didn't have functioning breaks, I'm sure the wouldn't have paid out for the injuries which were substantial.

Boilermaker wrote: »

Sorry I forgot you are a collision investigator, I think I'll wait till your full report before making my mind up.
You're awfully biased thought, try keep in mind that us cyclists are not always the victim.

There was a collision investigator but they didn't cop the brakes, but somehow, someone else involved did. The only person I can think of who would know this to tell you is the cyclist, you should report them to the insurance company.

Boilermaker wrote: »

I should have stated it was a teenager on a BMX, who think that using their feet as breaks is better than using the breaks on their bike.

So they had brakes, but they didn't use them? Can you clarify which is the case, it is unclear.

Boilermaker wrote: »

Don't accuse me of telling an untrue story then.

I think the phrase would be unbelievable, I have seen reports if insurance companies using lack of hi vis as a way to reduce payouts, in cases where it would appear that it was in no way contributory. Can you let us know who told you the brakes were not working? It is entirely possible they weren't. It is just highly unlikely an insurance auditor would not notice.

John Hutton · 13-05-2018 08:01PM

Went out for a short spin today on country roads at a pretty lesurly pace around 18/20 kph average. 4 cars overtook me on different single white line sharp bends. They could not have known if a car was coming the other way... Terrified they would have a crash or squash me off the road... Taking your life in your hands to save like 30 seconds?

Later on I took up position on the road to make an upcoming right turn (if anything I began this manover too early)and a driver who was miles back when I signalled and began the manover proceeded to try and overtake me on a single white line (which I am beside as about to make a right turn) with a car coming the other way, I saw this and pulled back in before the driver pulled in on top of me and was treated to the sight alongside me of a middle aged woman leaning on her horn, pointing/wagging her finger and looking at me as if I had punched a toddler. I lost the plot at this and have her the finger and a few choice words which I regret.

This ruined my entire cycle which besides this woman and the aforementioned idiots was really lovely.

On a happier note I have seen a big difference since the 1.5 campaign, I seem to get a lot more space now when people overtake

Boilermaker · 13-05-2018 08:12PM

CramCycle wrote: »

I think the phrase would be unbelievable, I have seen reports if insurance companies using lack of hi vis as a way to reduce payouts, in cases where it would appear that it was in no way contributory. Can you let us know who told you the brakes were not working? It is entirely possible they weren't. It is just highly unlikely an insurance auditor would not notice.

I'm not to going discuss the details. I was just showing that not every accident involving cyclists is clearcut.
Let's face it the majority of people would jump to conclusions and say it was the drivers fault for turning in front of the cyclist.
You

AndrewJRenko · 13-05-2018 08:23PM

Boilermaker wrote: »

Was the bike functioning properly? I heard of a case where a cyclist hit into the side of a car when they were going down a hill, the car breaked to turn but the cyclist did not have functioning breaks.
Had the insurance known the bike didn't have functioning breaks, I'm sure the wouldn't have paid out for the injuries which were substantial.

Even if there was a problem with the brakes, the motorist should have put the cyclist in a position where emergency braking was required. The motorist initiated the dangerous manoeuvre.

CramCycle · 13-05-2018 08:49PM

Boilermaker wrote: »

I'm not to going discuss the details. I was just showing that not every accident involving cyclists is clearcut.
Let's face it the majority of people would jump to conclusions and say it was the drivers fault for turning in front of the cyclist.
You

100% agree, but in the case mentioned here, we only had one side of the story and that side seemed pretty clear cut. I do alot of cycling and alot of driving, I have made mistakes with both, thankfully nothing that caused any serious damage.
In your other story, the problem is that you seem to think it was 100% the cyclists fault. It is possibly a major mitigating factor, depending on the in depth details, but one bad turn does not excuse the driver of their dangerous maneuver. That kind of thinking is why we end up with road rage incidents and drivers thinking it is OK to cut off vulnerable road users because they remember one doing something stupid.

RacoonQueen · 13-05-2018 08:52PM

John Hutton wrote: »

Went out for a short spin today on country roads at a pretty lesurly pace around 18/20 kph average. 4 cars overtook me on different single white line sharp bends. They could not have known if a car was coming the other way... Terrified they would have a crash or squash me off the road... Taking your life in your hands to save like 30 seconds?

Two drivers did this to me this evening about 4 minutes after leaving the estate. Second one just went straight for the cars coming in the other direction, there was only about 4 of them, he could have waited, instead he just pulled back in towards me but still over the solid white line. Wouldn't mind so much but I would have been going ~30kph

Did have a van pull back later on in the spin after he had tried and failed to overtake me. Going downhill I was hitting 50kph same as speed limit there and in fairness he did back off on the downhill. But I didn't give him much choice anyway as road was windy so I needed to take the lane anyway.

Boilermaker · 13-05-2018 09:13PM

CramCycle wrote: »

100% agree, but in the case mentioned here, we only had one side of the story and that side seemed pretty clear cut. I do alot of cycling and alot of driving, I have made mistakes with both, thankfully nothing that caused any serious damage.
In your other story, the problem is that you seem to think it was 100% the cyclists fault. It is possibly a major mitigating factor, depending on the in depth details, but one bad turn does not excuse the driver of their dangerous maneuver. That kind of thinking is why we end up with road rage incidents and drivers thinking it is OK to cut off vulnerable road users because they remember one doing something stupid.

I left the details vague but just to clarify, it was the cyclist themselves who told me that the breaks weren't functioning correctly.

hesker · 13-05-2018 09:17PM

John Hutton wrote: »

Went out for a short spin today on country roads at a pretty lesurly pace around 18/20 kph average. 4 cars overtook me on different single white line sharp bends. They could not have known if a car was coming the other way... Terrified they would have a crash or squash me off the road... Taking your life in your hands to save like 30 seconds?

I experience that every day when I cycle to work. Completely blind corner. I’ve taken to sticking my right arm out as I approach the bend. Helps to give some of them pause for thought but others still go for it. I’m most worried about the day there’s a cyclist coming the other way.

Rechuchote · 13-05-2018 11:32PM

It's worth noting that a large proportion of the people killed while riding their bicycles in the last year died on a Sunday. Sunday drivers are not sane.

If you're trying to keep a driver from passing, by the way, it's handy to put out your arm, but with the palm turned back towards them, so it's clearly a "please keep back" message. It doesn't always work, but it works more often than the normal turn signal. (And can be added to with a friendly wave of thanks afterwards, if they've behaved like humans.)

magicbastarder · 14-05-2018 08:14AM

i actually used that hand gesture yesterday - twice, and it was with one driver, and within about 200m.

site_owner · 14-05-2018 09:48AM

i generally feel that drivers are a bit more cautious when they see the trailer. but not always.
i have a 2 and a 5 year old in there, its school run time, i just want to get my kids to school.

at a junction, into oncoming traffic, straight into a pinch point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjrngNipFFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SseBWxa7sR8

average_runner · 14-05-2018 10:47AM

Rechuchote wrote: »

It's worth noting that a large proportion of the people killed while riding their bicycles in the last year died on a Sunday. Sunday drivers are not sane.

If you're trying to keep a driver from passing, by the way, it's handy to put out your arm, but with the palm turned back towards them, so it's clearly a "please keep back" message. It doesn't always work, but it works more often than the normal turn signal. (And can be added to with a friendly wave of thanks afterwards, if they've behaved like humans.)

I would really doubt any Sunday drivers would understand that signal!!!!

Rechuchote · 14-05-2018 10:57AM

Eddie Hobbs is having his probbs:

https://twitter.com/RealEddieHobbs/status/995615602248159232

CramCycle · 14-05-2018 11:12AM

average_runner wrote: »

I would really doubt any Sunday drivers would understand that signal!!!!

I would say that and move out, they think you are indicating if they don't understand and hopefully won't go for the overtake

ct5amr2ig1nfhp · 14-05-2018 11:26AM

Why is it ridiculous and not fit for purpose?

I cycle on it regularly. It is well marked, flat as a pancake and generally empty of pedestrians.

It also provides a small relief for eager beavers that want to over take you as per your own video.

rodneyTrotter. wrote: »

...
As for that stretch of cycle path near where you had the encounter on . It’s ridiculous and not fit for purpose . I’ve alsi had abuse for not using it by a taxi man there . Probably the same bloke!

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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