8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

goat2 wrote: »

What about those that already have had abortion, how do they feel years later, when they have a family, I don't know

Statistics in a study showed roughly 97% of women did not have regrets and their biggest emotion afterwards was ‘relief’.

A few women have posted here about their own abortions and from what I’ve seen none of them have reported any regrets. It was the best decision for their family.

Great article by Caitlin Moran

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/thetimesmagazine/caitlin-moran-having-a-child-should-be-your-choice-7tk76rdzs

I’m really heartened by this thread by how much people seem to care. Yes or no voter, this is a referendum where caring one way or another is at its crux. I’m a yes voter myself. I grew up dead against abortion. As a grown up and a mother that lost my first to miscarriage, I know how crap it is to lose out on a baby and the antithesis joy of having kids too. I don’t say that lightly. I broke on losing that pregnancy. But luckily for me I went on to have successful pregnancies (although I never enjoyed the pregnancies I counted down every day to viability for each of them), and I am incredibly grateful for and adore my children. But, being a mum is the hardest job-the more you have the more thinly you are spread. I am grateful for my kids but the job is 24/7 and with dad working hard at home and abroad frequently the buck stops with me. I have given up a very successful career for my kids and I’m not an amazing mum but I do my best. I cannot see or imagine how a person that had already decided that they could not cope with this job could do this job. I would not force motherhood on a person that does not feel themselves able, nor do I wish that entry to the world for any child. Babies are little miracles and I hold my hand up that I did not how deep love could go before having a child. But every child deserves a start of being loved and wanted. I do understand that views are entrenched, but I would not want my kids to have been born without having been wanted. Life is precious but only if it is deemed so. We each live our own reality. Abortion is happening in this country. If our nation is a parent to us all, it’s approach to abortion is irresponsible. It’s head is in the sand. It is happening. Abortion is happening every day in this country. And the worst worst worst is happening to two families a week with a fatal fetal abnormality being diagnosed. How on earth are we even debating giving a choice to those families? This is inhumane treatment, torture being inflicted in this country. Bamboozle with percentages all you want but sod that. Two families a week? That is not rare in my book. I am truly sorry for those that have lost their precious babies, and for those that desperately want a child. But forcing mothers to carry to term will not help those babies. It will not help their mothers, and it will not help you. I would honestly do anything for my children. I love kids and babies. But, the 8th amendment does not love anything. It is hollow words that help no one. It only perpetuates a culture of pain and irresponsibility in this country. It’s time for the country to grow up and protect its citizens, whether born or not. Repeal the 8th.

Dressing gown wrote: »

I’m really heartened by this thread by how much people seem to care. Yes or no voter, this is a referendum where caring one way or another is at its crux. I’m a yes voter myself. I grew up dead against abortion. As a grown up and a mother that lost my first to miscarriage, I know how crap it is to lose out on a baby and the antithesis joy of having kids too. I don’t say that lightly. I broke on losing that pregnancy. But luckily for me I went on to have successful pregnancies (although I never enjoyed the pregnancies I counted down every day to viability for each of them), and I am incredibly grateful for and adore my children. But, being a mum is the hardest job-the more you have the more thinly you are spread. I am grateful for my kids but the job is 24/7 and with dad working hard at home and abroad frequently the buck stops with me. I have given up a very successful career for my kids and I’m not an amazing mum but I do my best. I cannot see or imagine how a person that had already decided that they could not cope with this job could do this job. I would not force motherhood on a person that does not feel themselves able, nor do I wish that entry to the world for any child. Babies are little miracles and I hold my hand up that I did not how deep love could go before having a child. But every child deserves a start of being loved and wanted. I do understand that views are entrenched, but I would not want my kids to have been born without having been wanted. Life is precious but only if it is deemed so. We each live our own reality. Abortion is happening in this country. If our nation is a parent to us all, it’s approach to abortion is irresponsible. It’s head is in the sand. It is happening. Abortion is happening every day in this country. And the worst worst worst is happening to two families a week with a fatal fetal abnormality being diagnosed. How on earth are we even debating giving a choice to those families? This is inhumane treatment, torture being inflicted in this country. Bamboozle with percentages all you want but sod that. Two families a week? That is not rare in my book. I am truly sorry for those that have lost their precious babies, and for those that desperately want a child. But forcing mothers to carry to term will not help those babies. It will not help their mothers, and it will not help you. I would honestly do anything for my children. I love kids and babies. But, the 8th amendment does not love anything. It is hollow words that help no one. It only perpetuates a culture of pain and irresponsibility in this country. It’s time for the country to grow up and protect its citizens, whether born or not. Repeal the 8th.

Thank you so much for sharing your point of view and your story.

applehunter wrote: »

Less words.

Save the 8th

Vote NO

I bet more people read my post,

Aren’t you so clever! Well done!

I bet the 8th is repealed! And I only bet when I’m right!

applehunter wrote: »

I'm a punter myself but betting on referendums on abortion doesn't sit well with me.

What price did you get?

I didn’t actually bet. I’m sorry I shouldn’t have made light of this. I am actually genuinely incredibly concerned about this issue. I shouldn’t have joked. Cos it’s not a joking matter. The 8th makes women second class citizens in this country. Sometimes you need to laugh or cry. I apologise for being insensitive.

splinter65 wrote: »

Being dead is better then being alive. .....
Have you any clue about how offensive that would be to millions of adoptive parents and adoptees all over the world?

Stop with the ranting and the sanctimonious clap trap.

I have cousins who feel totally rejected because they were adopted, that's their reality.

Do you think all adopted children went to wonderful homes, to loving families? They didn't, some went to single elderly people, or elderly couples who were incapable of understanding how to parent. Others were used as unpaid help.

One of my cousins was called and introduced as "the adopted boy" - how the hell do you think he felt.

There are thousands of adults that survived industrial schools, mother and baby homes with addiction and mental health problems.

I don't live in utopia - I live in reality. Not all children are wanted, for whatever reason and sometimes it might be kinder to both the woman and the child for an abortion. Don't be so bl**dy judgy.

applehunter wrote: »

The Nazis were Socialists.

You make light of me but I have as much right to post in here as you.

I was up this morning at stupid o'clock putting up posters. You get to see all the small print up close. All YES posters bar the exception are from left wing organisations. Workers Party, Sinn Fein, People before Profit, Labour Party(nor sure do they count), Feminist Socialist....

Who cares what party is behind what posters? Why does that actually matter to you?