Dairy chit chat II

Reggie. · 12-05-2018 06:09AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

If you’re buffering with a mixer wagon it doesn’t matter the quality of hay once its edible. We chop a few ton at a time to about 2” in length and add to feeder as needed. If not chopped down to that length they just won’t eat it.

Very fussy cows

Gawddawggonnit · 12-05-2018 06:11AM

Reggie. wrote: »

Very fussy cows

Spoiled rotten!

gozunda · 12-05-2018 06:45AM

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Nonsense, a seasoned hay maker here, the last year for proper hat was 2013, I'm still feeding it and it's still green. Sorry but more farmers in Ireland know how to make hay other than coolmore. BTW don't they have a dryer? That's cheating.

Money wise- what are talking for one of those dryers?

Sillycave · 12-05-2018 07:24AM

Looking for advice, have a bunch of FR heifer calves that I would like to keep and sell later, I am just wondering when eoukd be the best time to sell and would having them in calf be better?
I was thinking of running them to this time next year and putting them in calve, scanning and selling them?
All options welcome, thanks

mahoney_j · 12-05-2018 08:23AM

Sillycave wrote: »

Looking for advice, have a bunch of FR heifer calves that I would like to keep and sell later, I am just wondering when eoukd be the best time to sell and would having them in calf be better?
I was thinking of running them to this time next year and putting them in calve, scanning and selling them?
All options welcome, thanks

Genotype them ,register them if pedigree ,don’t cut corners feed wise especially first 12 weeks .keep dosed and good grass into them for summer .feed 1 kg meal and sell as maidens next March .

Sillycave · 12-05-2018 09:32AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Genotype them ,register them if pedigree ,don’t cut corners feed wise especially first 12 weeks .keep dosed and good grass into them for summer .feed 1 kg meal and sell as maidens next March .

I know there not pedigree, could u still geno type them?
So be better sell as maidens rather than incalf?
What sort of money do u reckon at that stage?
Thanks

Mooooo · 12-05-2018 09:59AM

What are calves going for at the minute? And maidens? See what your kinda stock are making at the various levels and go from there could be as much out of them as calves

Wildsurfer · 12-05-2018 10:01AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Genotype them ,register them if pedigree ,don’t cut corners feed wise especially first 12 weeks .keep dosed and good grass into them for summer .feed 1 kg meal and sell as maidens next March .

Who does genotyping, Enfer? And do you know how much per animal?

Mooooo · 12-05-2018 10:02AM

50 euro I think. Is it the icbf send out the pack?

whelan2 · 12-05-2018 10:02AM

I paid €320 for 2 month old fr heifers pbr good ebi last week

Wildsurfer · 12-05-2018 10:10AM

Mooooo wrote: »

50 euro I think. Is it the icbf send out the pack?

Seriously that's steep, I've 80 to do, 4K! Only need 40 though so I have to whittle them down somehow. Smaller calves, low ebi, poor dams first to go anyways and maybe genotype whats left

Mooooo · 12-05-2018 10:18AM

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Seriously that's steep, I've 80 to do, 4K! Only need 40 though so I have to whittle them down somehow. Smaller calves, low ebi, poor dams first to go anyways and maybe genotype whats left

Not sure on that now. I think it costs 50 to register a bull with the ihfa and that includes a genotype. A few years since I did it with a heifer and was because I had 2 cows and 3 calves in the pen and didn't know who belonged to who

straight · 12-05-2018 10:21AM

Mooooo wrote: »

Not sure on that now. I think it costs 50 to register a bull with the ihfa and that includes a genotype. A few years since I did it with a heifer and was because I had 2 cows and 3 calves in the pen and didn't know who belonged to who

22 euro for heifers

Buford T. Justice XIX · 12-05-2018 10:21AM

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Seriously that's steep, I've 80 to do, 4K! Only need 40 though so I have to whittle them down somehow. Smaller calves, low ebi, poor dams first to go anyways and maybe genotype whats left

I think it's cheaper than that if you are willing to do most of a particular years calves on hand, for some reason 32 euro is the price in my head for that from ICBF

K.G. · 12-05-2018 10:52AM

Mooooo wrote: »

What are calves going for at the minute? And maidens? See what your kinda stock are making at the various levels and go from there could be as much out of them as calves

theres milking stock everywhere around west cork.was short a few heifer calves and had a couple lads rang me offering as soon as i opened my mouth.prices around 200 for high ebi ai bred from all bar one tb tested.was offered bulling heifers as well and never left the parish.reckon bulling heifers will be cheap next year as fellas are loosing appetite for extra cows fairly quick this year

Mooooo · 12-05-2018 11:34AM

Must test again in the next few weeks but if I go clear was thinking buying incalf heifers in the autumn would be the best way for next year. Will know how breeding has gone and can realign numbers wise then. Are lads offloading more now due to the winter just gone, that there may be less available in the autumn?

kowtow · 12-05-2018 02:45PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Must test again in the next few weeks but if I go clear was thinking buying incalf heifers in the autumn would be the best way for next year. Will know how breeding has gone and can realign numbers wise then. Are lads offloading more now due to the winter just gone, that there may be less available in the autumn?

I'll need a few incalf heifers come autumn as well. Only just getting round to AI now, everything slowed down this season... am going to synchronise a bunch on Monday so that at least we start with a bang.

Mooooo · 12-05-2018 02:55PM

Heifers have been awakward here, all the rain has them sheltering and the aids are getting marked when not in heat when they are gathered together. Have half em done but will estrumate the rest mon and let the bull off Fri.

Timmaay · 12-05-2018 02:59PM

Just picked up a fr bull to run with the heifers for 2wks then to leave out with the cows for around another 3wks, but was a 50 50 if I'd get a fr or beef bull, plenty of replacement stock out there, loads of dairyfarmers still knocking out excess good quality heifers year in year out. The prices don't vary hugely and still favour buying in stock, early spring born calves 250-400, maidens 6-800, in calf heifers in the winter 1k to 1400, calved down 14/1700, the biggest variation appears to be quality/size/calving date etc, alot of huffing and buffing about supply/demand but ultimately the market only really has +-100e effect in my view.

jaymla627 · 12-05-2018 03:00PM

Went to submit ole chaps bps form and as all plots are same as last year clicked no changes button, looked at area to be claimed and it was missing 20 ha, they have archived two parcels on further digging and have no new parcel numbers assigned to them anyone ran into this before

Mooooo · 12-05-2018 03:05PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Just picked up a fr bull to run with the heifers for 2wks then to leave out with the cows for around another 3wks, but was a 50 50 if I'd get a fr or beef bull, plenty of replacement stock out there, loads of dairyfarmers still knocking out excess good quality heifers year in year out.

Last calves i sent to mart got 150 for fr bulls, aa heifer and bulls ranged from 50 to 180, would make you think twice about spending money on an AA bull anyway when a fr could be got for a lot less

freedominacup · 12-05-2018 03:06PM

Sillycave wrote: »

I know there not pedigree, could u still geno type them?
So be better sell as maidens rather than incalf?
What sort of money do u reckon at that stage?
Thanks

If your records are any way accurate I'd be surprised if all of your ho/fr heifers couldn't be registered as pedigree. If you have accurate breeding records for their grand dams then they would be registered as full pedigree. Cross breds are a whole other discussion.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 12-05-2018 03:09PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Went to submit ole chaps bps form and as all plots are same as last year clicked no changes button, looked at area to be claimed and it was missing 20 ha, they have archived two parcels on further digging and have no new parcel numbers assigned to them anyone ran into this before

If he's using the land, send in a map claiming it and they will assign an LPIS number to it. His payment will be delayed by a few weeks, if he's lucky, while they assign a number to it. Or just send in the old LPIS numbers of the parcels if they will be accepted and they can be sorting it out.

Gawddawggonnit · 12-05-2018 03:30PM

Lovely wet day.
Brilliant to get rain in May.
A break for a day or two is much appreciated at this time.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 12-05-2018 03:32PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lovely wet day.
Brilliant to get rain in May.
A break for a day or two is much appreciated at this time.

You'd be burned at the stake here for mentioning that.

If we could find enough dry timber to start a fire:rolleyes:

jaymla627 · 12-05-2018 03:43PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

If he's using the land, send in a map claiming it and they will assign an LPIS number to it. His payment will be delayed by a few weeks, if he's lucky, while they assign a number to it. Or just send in the old LPIS numbers of the parcels if they will be accepted and they can be sorting it out.

Done the above assigned old Lpis numbers and sending in the 2017 maps they sent out as "my referance" will be a tale of woe with them anyone I reckon to get it sorted, but noting can be done about it

Timmaay · 12-05-2018 08:05PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Last calves i sent to mart got 150 for fr bulls, aa heifer and bulls ranged from 50 to 180, would make you think twice about spending money on an AA bull anyway when a fr could be got for a lot less

Agreed, esp if you can factory the fr bull come Sept for not much a loss on what you paid for him.

Sillycave · 12-05-2018 10:18PM

Thanks for all the replies, will check out a few of the options mention, thanks

Dakota Dan · 12-05-2018 11:07PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Last calves i sent to mart got 150 for fr bulls, aa heifer and bulls ranged from 50 to 180, would make you think twice about spending money on an AA bull anyway when a fr could be got for a lot less

I've sent a good few BB bull calves well reared between 5-6 weeks old and they only made 285 tops, I even tried different marts and the same price. Two cows went down shortly before calving with them and i lost one cow :mad: All Friesian this year.

Mooooo · 12-05-2018 11:08PM

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