8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

Yer Da sells Avon · 12-05-2018 07:53PM

beefburrito wrote: »

He doesn't have to say those friends are murderers to be honest.

You're trying to twist the argument into turning him on his friends.

If you accept the fact he said abortion is murder, so he said it, what are you up-to ?

Why twist and behave like a 7 year old in the school yard. Nananana na na well then all your friends are murderers....

How on earth am I twisting anything? It's a laughably simple question, to which there should be a 'yes' or 'no' answer, but his failure to respond speaks volumes.

Sofiztikated · 12-05-2018 07:54PM

beefburrito wrote: »

He doesn't have to say those friends are murderers to be honest.

You're trying to twist the argument into turning him on his friends.

If you accept the fact he said abortion is murder, so he said it, what are you up-to ?

Why twist and behave like a 7 year old in the school yard. Nananana na na well then all your friends are murderers....

Its not twisting anything.

He's claiming its a genocide. His friends have apparently had abortions. Ipso facto.

Its not faceless, nameless people you/he are insulting.

kylith · 12-05-2018 07:57PM

I got a No book through the letterbox yesterday. Just had a brief flick through as I walked to the recycling bin and this nugget caught my eye:

“By 8 weeks she is perfectly formed”

Well sure, apart from the eyes, ears, lungs, kidneys, digestive system, nervous system, the skeleton hasn’t ossified yet, and the fact that it’s the size of a raspberry...

beefburrito · 12-05-2018 07:59PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Yet you feel the need to come back to the thread after being banned from it, why so if if feel this way, is it because as you said in one of your other posts that you love being a dick on boards.ie?

Assuming your ban has been lifted of course, not saying you're breaking the rules of the site.

Well thanks for following me on boards, if you really had to go back through my posts and find a rusty cog I feel sorry for you.

I take you guys for what you are, if I fascinate your curiosity on my previous posts my posts obviously made an impact.

As I said this is an emotive topic for me, we all get anxty now and then a bit annoyed or wound up.
It's OK I'm my book to say it as it is now and then.

I did apologize for my behavior and wished everyone well with their decisions....

Only got one thanks

Obviously forgiveness or accepting someone made a mistake is foreign to a lot of the yes side.

Instead when I got banned the thank you went way up for the banner.

Tie me to a pole and stone me....

It's quite easy to see what a no voter is up against here.

I better put glass pains back on my glasshouse now

bootpaws · 12-05-2018 07:59PM

kylith wrote: »

I got a No book through the letterbox yesterday. Just had a brief flick through as I walked to the recycling bin and this nugget caught my eye:

“By 8 weeks she is perfectly formed”

Well sure, apart from the eyes, ears, lungs, kidneys, digestive system, nervous system, the skeleton hasn’t ossified yet, and the fact that it’s the size of a raspberry...

Sure don't you know they only spend 9 months in the womb for the craic!

spookwoman · 12-05-2018 08:00PM

wexie wrote: »

I have to say I thought the 'as a former foetus' was particularly hilarious

Needs a few changes

freshpopcorn · 12-05-2018 08:01PM

Mod Note beefburrito don't post in this thread again!

wexie · 12-05-2018 08:03PM

kylith wrote: »

I got a No book through the letterbox yesterday. Just had a brief flick through as I walked to the recycling bin and this nugget caught my eye:

“By 8 weeks she is perfectly formed”

Well sure, apart from the eyes, ears, lungs, kidneys, digestive system, nervous system, the skeleton hasn’t ossified yet, and the fact that it’s the size of a raspberry...

Do you think there are actually people out there who believe this shite?

beefburrito · 12-05-2018 08:05PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Mod Note beefburrito don't post in this thread again!

I couldn't give a toss, a thread full of snowflakes

January · 12-05-2018 08:08PM

beefburrito wrote: »

I couldn't give a toss, a thread full of snowflakes

Yet you're here posting even after you've been banned.

January · 12-05-2018 08:08PM

wexie wrote: »

I have to say I thought the 'as a former foetus' was particularly hilarious

Jim Corr used it in a tweet recently.

bootpaws · 12-05-2018 08:11PM

beefburrito wrote: »

I couldn't give a toss, a thread full of snowflakes

Ironic.

FingerDeKat · 12-05-2018 08:11PM

beefburrito wrote: »

I couldn't give a toss, a thread full of snowflakes

you're the one pi$$ing and moaning:rolleyes:

wexie · 12-05-2018 08:13PM

January wrote: »

Jim Corr used it in a tweet recently.

I know

I'm gonna start using it all the time now.

wexie wrote:

As a former foetus I enjoy a unique perspective on a woman's point of view

conorhal · 12-05-2018 08:14PM

wexie wrote: »

I have to say I thought the 'as a former foetus' was particularly hilarious

Well there are few thing more hilarious then scraping bits of a fetus into a medial waste bin. That is comedy right there sir!

Anybody up for baby in a blender joke?

Sofiztikated · 12-05-2018 08:15PM

wexie wrote: »

Do you think there are actually people out there who believe this shite?

Obviously there are.

pjohnson · 12-05-2018 08:15PM

conorhal wrote: »

Well there are few thing more hilarious then scraping bits of a fetus into a medial waste bin. That is comedy right there sir!

Anybody up for baby in a blender joke?

You musn't have heard of Mr. McGuirk. You'd love his material.

wexie · 12-05-2018 08:15PM

conorhal wrote: »

Well there are few thing more hilarious then scraping bits of a fetus into a medial waste bin. That is comedy right there sir!

Anybody up for baby in a blender joke?

As a former foetus I quite enjoy a good baby blender joke

erica74 · 12-05-2018 08:15PM

If you think this thread is full of snowflakes and that it's an echo chamber, try debating your view point with some actual facts and not just disgusting accusations and soundbites.

12-05-2018 08:19PM

beefburrito wrote: »

Well thanks for following me on boards, if you really had to go back through my posts and find a rusty cog I feel sorry for you.

I take you guys for what you are, if I fascinate your curiosity on my previous posts my posts obviously made an impact.

As I said this is an emotive topic for me, we all get anxty now and then a bit annoyed or wound up.
It's OK I'm my book to say it as it is now and then.

I did apologize for my behavior and wished everyone well with their decisions....

Only got one thanks

Obviously forgiveness or accepting someone made a mistake is foreign to a lot of the yes side.

Instead when I got banned the thank you went way up for the banner.

Tie me to a pole and stone me....

It's quite easy to see what a no voter is up against here.

I better put glass pains back on my glasshouse now

I didn't thank your banning so you might want to double check what your saying there.

In relation to checking someone's previous posts on other topics, why not it gives you an idea of who your dealing with, such as have they previously been banned and why, posted something that you might or might not agree with so their opinion here isn't a one dimensional view of the poster.

bootpaws · 12-05-2018 08:22PM

conorhal wrote: »

Well there are few thing more hilarious then scraping bits of a fetus into a medial waste bin. That is comedy right there sir!

Anybody up for baby in a blender joke?

Abortion to 12 weeks is medical, meaning no scraping, no bins. Just two pills and a heavy period.

I don't imagine you would have a clue what constitutes a heavy period, though. Your knowledge on the procedures that you're so passionately against seems limited.

conorhal · 12-05-2018 08:22PM

wexie wrote: »

As a former foetus I quite enjoy a good baby blender joke

Well who am I not to oblige!

How do you get 100 babies into a bucket?

With a blender. :pac::pac::pac:

erica74 · 12-05-2018 08:30PM

The only posters (and people in general) speaking about "scraping a foetus from a bin" and other such disgusting, disrespectful ways are antichoice people. I have not seen or heard any prochoice people speak about foetuses, babies or pregnancy itself in such degrading vile language. Bear in mind that, while you clearly want to believe the only women who have an abortion are evil cackling have 3 get your 4th one free type women, there are women who are forced to travel to the UK to abort wanted babies, babies they planned for, babies they longed for, who they have to abort for many different reasons and to read and hear the language you use is a terrible thing to inflict on them.

BarleySweets · 12-05-2018 08:32PM

beefburrito wrote: »

He doesn't have to say those friends are murderers to be honest.

You're trying to twist the argument into turning him on his friends.

If you accept the fact he said abortion is murder, so he said it, what are you up-to ?

Why twist and behave like a 7 year old in the school yard. Nananana na na well then all your friends are murderers....

Who’s the gaslighter here? Cos what you’re doing is blatant gaslighting, you Nazi ****.

You know full well that what you wrote is a lie.

And on the offchance that you actually don’t realize that what you wrote is untrue, allow me to explain in ridiculously simplistic language that will allow a celebrity worshipping troll to understand while also not being condescending at all because I do understand that some adults can avoid developing common sense and it’s our obligation as a society to explain common sense where needed: He’s not trying to get him to admit he thinks his friends are murderers to laugh at him like a 7yo. WTF man, who would do that? We’re adults here, yeah? What kind of people do you surround yourself with if that’s your default thought?!

He is trying to get Conor to specifically connect the two notions “women who have abortions are murderers” and “my friends have abortions” so that Conor can put the two together to make the sentence “my friends are murderers”. Which, of course, Conor knows full well that his friends are not murderers. (Full disclosure: I don’t know Conor’s friends but I’m sure they’re bang on and not murderers.). And to continue the point: Conor’s mates aren’t murderers, he knows they’re not. They’re not bad people. But yet, Conor is fixated on the notion that “women who have abortions” are bad people. But he know his mates, they’re not bad. He also likely knows that his mates did not have abortions for the laugh. They likely had very detailed reasons why they felt they needed to abort. In fact, their reasons were probably all totally different yet ultra important to each individual. Almost like the decision to abort was not a childish “I’m gonna abort because I want to.” There were likely decent, detailed, heavy, traumatic, reasons for his friends choosing to abort. He knows what they went through...they’re his mates, he’s obviously NOT ashamed of them (even if they had abortions). When Conor realizes that what he believes about murderers means that he must betray his friends and consider them to be bad people, he gets uncomfortable and decides not to make that connection by ignoring anyone who asks. But when he gives in. And when he realizes that the generalization-filled ****e he is spouting about faceless “women who have abortions” might be wrong because the women that he knows who had abortions are both nice and had detailed reasons for deciding to abort, he might (hopefully) make the leap to realise that EVERY woman who decides to abort is in the same situation as his mates were: they’re not murderers, they’re not bad people, they’re not shameful and they’ve all got very good, detailed and nuanced reasons for deciding to abort.

Almost like he should just trust them all to make their own decisions without condemning them, the same way he trusts his mates and is loathe to condemn his mates.

But no. That’s too hard for Conor to accept right now so he hides his feelings behind nonsense about a genocide that happened 100 years ago 5000km away and pretends that abortion rates he posted for the UK, USA, France, Russia & Canada are equivalent to a ****ing genocide that wiped out nearly 2 million Armenians. What a massive insult to the genocide victims that Conor pretends to care about. To, again, detail the difference for you in simple language: genocide victims are deaths. Gone. No more. Abortion rates are a single instance statistic. The women involved in each of those abortion rates statistics will almost certainly go on to have kids later in life when they choose to have kids. Those abortion statistic women are neither genocide victims nor are they genocide perpetrators. They will live to have kids later in life. The ****ing victims of the actual Armeniang enocide are spinning in they’re graves at being involved in such a comparison. Especially by a white irishguy. Lmao. He probably never heard of Armenia till he saw it mentioned on some alt right YouTube video. Such concern.

Of course, the real shame is that not only is Conor clouding his judgement with notions of genocides inflicted on white people by abortion he completely ignores the 200million+ abortions in China during their One Child Policy years. If he was any sort of abortion-genocide campaigner, he’d be livid at the Chinese for doing that. But he doesn’t give a **** because they’re not white. (Of course all the stats from his previous post were white countries...yet he’s so very concerned about the Armenian genocide.)

And lastly, since he brought up genocide in the first place, let’s all take a wild guess at whether he believes that the Holocaust perpetrated by Hitler was a genocide of Jews? Go on Conor, tell us?

Grayson · 12-05-2018 08:33PM

erica74 wrote: »

The only posters (and people in general) speaking about "scraping a foetus from a bin" and other such disgusting, disrespectful ways are antichoice people. I have not seen or heard any prochoice people speak about foetuses, babies or pregnancy itself in such degrading vile language. Bear in mind that, while you clearly want to believe the only women who have an abortion are evil cackling have 3 get your 4th one free type women, there are women who are forced to travel to the UK to abort wanted babies, babies they planned for, babies they longed for, for many reasons and to read and hear the language you use is a terrible thing to inflict on them.

To be fair I love a good dead baby joke. But there's a time and a place. A thread about abortion probably isn't the best place. It's a very serious discussion about peoples lives.

You need to know your audience.

BabysCoffee · 12-05-2018 08:33PM

conorhal wrote: »

Healthcare is a euphemism in 97% of abortions, just as 'choice' or 'compassion' is a euphemism.

Do you think your wife should have a choice? Do you think your wife deserves compassion?

Sofiztikated · 12-05-2018 08:36PM

bootpaws wrote: »

Abortion to 12 weeks is medical, meaning no scraping, no bins. Just two pills and a heavy period.

I don't imagine you would have a clue what constitutes a heavy period, though. Your knowledge on the procedures that you're so passionately against seems limited.

In fairness, its a 93% effective rate, and not all can taken the tablets. There will be a % that's will require surgical abortion.

12-05-2018 08:41PM

conorhal wrote: »

Well there are few thing more hilarious then scraping bits of a fetus into a medial waste bin. That is comedy right there sir!

Anybody up for baby in a blender joke?

I am very sympathetic for your & your partners loss Conor. It's terrible when a wanted baby dies in the womb. I understand that this is very emotive issue for you, made more emotive by that loss.
But, I would really advise that you & your wife think hard about what you ye would do in a situation where, when you are pregnant with a much wanted child, if your wife was found to have cancer. Would you really both wait for 9 months before she could have treatment? Would you risk the life of your wife so a baby might survive?
Surely your wife is worth more to you?
What of the next time your wife is pregnant, you are told that the baby will not survive?
A guy I work with & his wife were told this on their first baby. They held onto the hope that maybe it would be OK, until it was too late. Their baby was born, extremely premature, with a lot of its organs outside its body. ( I didn't ask too many details) the child died after birth or was dead on birth. A terrible time for them, he told me he has had nightmares since. He said now, they should have aborted earlier on.
How would you really feel in their shoes? In those circumstances where your wife's life is in the balance?
Would you want to travel all the way to England? Would you want your nearest to be treated at home, with her family & friends near for support?
This is the reality of what the 8th amendment does.
Lobby, March, annoy your td about legalisation about abortion after the 8th has been repealed, but for all women sake, allow them the opportunity to do what is best for them.

applehunter · 12-05-2018 09:10PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Yeah that’s logical.

By the way still waiting on your answer as to why the journal should be registered with Sipo, and if the liberal is, or should be?

Logical to me. I've been putting up posters for the last 3 weeks. We were given strict guidelines on where to put them.

It was a comment on how thejournal.ie tries to put itself forward as an objective news outlet but it is just a propaganda tool for the Repeal side. thejournal.ie is given prominence in our national media regularly appearing on RTE & TV3 programmes.

I know very little about the liberal.ie. They website allegedly rigged a competition and is run by Cora Sherlock's brother, Leo, from snippets I've seen.

applehunter · 12-05-2018 09:13PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

They shouldn't be touching the Yes poster at all. If there isn't enough space on the pole, they should find a different pole. They shouldn't be moving other groups posters, especially when doing so could put that poster in contravention of the minimum height requirements.

Agreed it true, but as long as a poster isn't flipped from its angle I don't see a problem with shifting a poster a foot or two.

the insinuation here is that the lads took the poster completely off the pole.

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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