8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

BarleySweets · 12-05-2018 07:22PM

conorhal wrote: »

Vanilla or chocolate is a choice. But I can see why you try to reduce life of death to vanilla or chocolate, just like the disingenuous pro-abortion campaign. It appeals to a consumerist society in which 'choice' is just vanilla or chocolate (and don't think about what that choice entails).

Forget ice creams Conor, tell us all how concerned you are about the Armenian genocide 100 years ago. What a compassionate man you are, an Irishman, the guts of 5000km away from Armenia, and yet your big ole heart is just full of compassion for our Armenian pals.

(Yet, funnily enough, you don’t give a **** about Irishwomen for some reason, right?

Why do you trust Armenians more than Irishwomen? And why do you afford Armenians more compassion than Irishwomen? And why do you guys always try to compare the Armenian genocide to a supposed “white genocide”?)

conorhal · 12-05-2018 07:22PM

relax carry on wrote: »

Jesus. Is there any end in sight to this bottom of the barrel stuff?

So that would be a no to your 'BUH U NAZI!' bs then?

bootpaws · 12-05-2018 07:22PM

conorhal wrote: »

Do I wan't vanilla or chocolate ice-cream is a choice. But I can see why you'd try to reduce life of death to vanilla or chocolate, just like the disingenuous pro-abortion campaign. It appeals to a consumerist society in which 'choice' is just vanilla or chocolate like any other consumer choice (and don't think about what that choice entails).

This is borderline incoherent.

Yer Da sells Avon · 12-05-2018 07:23PM

conorhal wrote: »

Healthcare is a euphemism in 97% of abortions, just as 'choice' or 'compassion' is a euphemism.

Right, for the fourth time: You said earlier in this thread that you have friends who have had abortions. Are they, in your view, murderers? A simple question, but you seem to be ignoring it...

wexie · 12-05-2018 07:23PM

Grayson wrote: »

But no-one has shown me that there's an equivalence between an embryo and a baby.

And why do you think that is Grayson?

C'mon now you're a pretty clever chap

Although I have to commend you for your effort of letting them convince you.
It's interesting to see nobody is trying much, I wonder if that might be because they have absolutely nothing to do so with.

conorhal · 12-05-2018 07:27PM

BarleySweets wrote: »

Forget ice creams Conor, tell us all how concerned you are about the Armenian genocide 100 years ago. What a compassionate man you are, an Irishman, the guts of 5000km away from Armenia, and yet your big ole heart is just full of compassion for our Armenian pals.

(Yet, funnily enough, you don’t give a **** about Irishwomen for some reason, right?

Why do you trust Armenians more than Irishwomen? And why do you afford Armenians more compassion than Irishwomen? And why do you guys always try to compare the Armenian genocide to a supposed “white genocide”?)

Nice strawmanning, my point was there are mass murders we don't talk about. My point is that I for one won't be voting for the next genocide we don't discuss over tea and biscuits.

BarleySweets · 12-05-2018 07:29PM

bootpaws wrote: »

I thought that about a poster way back, that everything out of his mouth was so ignorant and tone deaf that he HAD to be trolling. Turns out the replies he got made him rethink and he came back a day or two later to say he was now leaning to vote yes due to the issues pointed out to him here with the 8th.

So now I try to see every aggressive No voter in this thread as a potential Yes if the reality of the situation is laid out before them.

Call me naive, but I can't help myself sometimes!

In this case, you're probably right though. Still. It passes the time between shifts!

Not naive at all, I love your outlook!

Yer Da sells Avon · 12-05-2018 07:31PM

conorhal wrote: »

Nice strawmanning, my point was there are mass murders we don't talk about. My point is that I for one won't be voting for the next genocide we don't discuss over tea and biscuits.

Genocide, Conor? Genocide? Are your friends - the ones who've had abortions - murderers, Conor?

Hope you don't think I'm going to get bored asking you the same question over and over again.

12-05-2018 07:32PM

conorhal wrote: »

Nice strawmanning, my point was there are mass murders we don't talk about. My point is that I for one won't be voting for the next genocide we don't discuss over tea and biscuits.

Actually I've discussed both of what you mentioned, the Armenian genocide and Abortion over tea and biscuits and then over whiskeys with my uncle who is a retired history lecturer, no comparison between the two.

TTSFTT.

relax carry on · 12-05-2018 07:32PM

conorhal wrote: »

So that would be a no to your 'BUH U NAZI!' bs then?

No idea what you are on or what is wrong with you but ok.

While you are bashing one out on your keyboard can you tell me how you feel the repeal of the 8th will impact you and your life?

BarleySweets · 12-05-2018 07:34PM

conorhal wrote: »

Nice strawmanning, my point was there are mass murders we don't talk about. My point is that I for one won't be voting for the next genocide we don't discuss over tea and biscuits.

Aw mate you’re embarrassing yourself here if you think that was a straw man. You brought up Armenia yourself. Do you not stand by your own words?

So countries that allow abortion are commiting genocide, is that right? Who are they commuting genocide against?

And why oh why are you name dropping a 100 year old genocide in Armenia if every single country in the world that currently allows abortion is commuting genocide? Are you telling me you don’t want to discuss those genocides?

conorhal · 12-05-2018 07:35PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Actually I've discussed both of what you mentioned, the Armenian genocide and Abortion over tea and biscuits and then over whiskeys with my uncle who is a retired history lecturer, no comparison between the two.

TTSFTT.

How is Dr. Lector these days?

beefburrito · 12-05-2018 07:36PM

Pmsl how's everyone in the hornets nest...

This thread is like a tank full piranhas, anybody who has a hint of no or confusion is ripped apart, gaslighted and being accused of being a bad person.

It's not worth debating, but I had a great laugh when I got banned because the snowflakey people complained about me.

Even Hitchens didn't agree with abortion.

Anyhow if someone wants to do what they want with their body it's their own choice, it's up to them.
It won't effect me one way or the other....

January · 12-05-2018 07:37PM

beefburrito wrote: »

Pmsl how's everyone in the hornets nest...

This thread is like a tank full piranhas, anybody who has a hint of no or confusion is ripped apart, gaslighted and being accused of being a bad person.

It's not worth debating, but I had a great laugh when I got banned because the snowflakey people complained about me.

Even Hitchens didn't agree with abortion.

Anyhow if someone wants to do what they want with their body it's their own choice, it's up to them.
It won't effect me one way or the other....

Does that mean you're voting yes? Or just back to **** stir some more

Grayson · 12-05-2018 07:37PM

wexie wrote: »

And why do you think that is Grayson?

C'mon now you're a pretty clever chap

Although I have to commend you for your effort of letting them convince you.
It's interesting to see nobody is trying much, I wonder if that might be because they have absolutely nothing to do so with.

I think most pro life people who argue here start with that as an a priori fact. They don't even question it.

If it's the case then everything else makes sense. Well, almost everything else. The nazi stuff is still mind boggling.

beefburrito · 12-05-2018 07:39PM

conorhal wrote: »

Nice strawmanning, my point was there are mass murders we don't talk about. My point is that I for one won't be voting for the next genocide we don't discuss over tea and biscuits.

I see your being gaslighted too, sir or madam debating this topic here is like pissing in the wind....

Get out while you can, there's greener pastures

conorhal · 12-05-2018 07:39PM

BarleySweets wrote: »

Aw mate you’re embarrassing yourself here if you think that was a straw man. You brought up Armenia yourself. Do you not stand by your own words?

So countries that allow abortion are commiting genocide, is that right? Who are they commuting genocide against?

And why oh why are you name dropping a 100 year old genocide in Armenia if every single country in the world that currently allows abortion is commuting genocide? Are you telling me you don’t want to discuss those genocides?

You embarrass yourself. In Russia the abortion rate is is higher then the live birth rate, that's genocidal. In our nearest neighbour it's 1 in 5 pregnancies. If you're killing a fifth of your population that's pretty embarrasing.

Edit, here's some interesting wiki stats but somewhat old but the first link I cane across:

Country Births per 1,000 Abortions per 1,000 Pregnancies per 1,000 Abortion ratio
Sweden (1996) 7.8 17.2 25.0 68.8
France (1995)* 10.0 10.2 20.2 50.5
Canada (1995) 24.5 21.2 45.7 46.4
Great Britain 28.3 18.4 46.7 39.4
United States 54.4 29.2 83.6 34.9

conorhal · 12-05-2018 07:40PM

beefburrito wrote: »

I see your being gaslighted too, sir or madam debating this topic here is like pissing in the wind....

Get out while you can, there's greener pastures

I think you mean get out of my groupthink safe space.

Grayson · 12-05-2018 07:41PM

beefburrito wrote: »

Pmsl how's everyone in the hornets nest...

This thread is like a tank full piranhas, anybody who has a hint of no or confusion is ripped apart, gaslighted and being accused of being a bad person.

It's not worth debating, but I had a great laugh when I got banned because the snowflakey people complained about me.

Even Hitchens didn't agree with abortion.

Anyhow if someone wants to do what they want with their body it's their own choice, it's up to them.
It won't effect me one way or the other....

I'd never read his views on abortion. For those like me who haven't I'm posting the part of his wiki article that deals with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Christopher_Hitchens#Abortion

itchens stated, "[an] unborn child seems to me to be a real concept. It's not a growth or an appendix. You can't say the rights question doesn't come up. I don't think a woman should be forced to choose, or even can be", and, "as a materialist, I think it has been demonstrated that an embryo is a separate body and entity".[89] Showing a desire to recognise the unborn as a life, he also affirmed a need for the right to abortion, stating, "the second-best fallback solution, which may sometimes be desirable for other reasons, is termination of pregnancy... all thinking people recognise a painful conflict of rights and interest in this question" [90]

Hitchens opposed the overturning of Roe v. Wade and instead hoped for science to develop new solutions to unwanted pregnancies "that will make abortion more like a contraceptive procedure than a surgical one." He strongly criticized the encouragement of sexual abstinence within the pro-life movement of the Christian right,[91] and the equating of contraceptives to abortion, as expressed by Mother Teresa and representatives of the Roman Catholic Church.[92]

Yer Da sells Avon · 12-05-2018 07:41PM

beefburrito wrote: »

I see your being gaslighted too, sir or madam debating this topic here is like pissing in the wind....

Get out while you can, there's greener pastures

He's being asked very simple questions and he won't answer them. He claims that abortion is murder, and also claims to have friends who've had abortions. Yet he won't say whether those friends are murderers. Embarrassing himself, tbh.

beefburrito · 12-05-2018 07:42PM

January wrote: »

Does that mean you're voting yes? Or just back to **** stir some more

Im not here to stir anything,because there is no point.

My vote is my own business, none of your business....

If you were a terrorist back in the 80's and stopped me on the border and asked me was I Catholic or Protestant , I'd hand over my British and Irish passport and suggest you make up your own mind...

Enjoy your weekend...

12-05-2018 07:46PM

beefburrito wrote: »

I see your being gaslighted too, sir or madam debating this topic here is like pissing in the wind....

Get out while you can, there's greener pastures

Yet you feel the need to come back to the thread after being banned from it, why so if if feel this way, is it because as you said in one of your other posts that you love being a dick on boards.ie?

Assuming your ban has been lifted of course, not saying you're breaking the rules of the site.

BarleySweets · 12-05-2018 07:46PM

beefburrito wrote: »

Pmsl how's everyone in the hornets nest...

This thread is like a tank full piranhas, anybody who has a hint of no or confusion is ripped apart, gaslighted and being accused of being a bad person.

It's not worth debating, but I had a great laugh when I got banned because the snowflakey people complained about me.

Even Hitchens didn't agree with abortion.

Anyhow if someone wants to do what they want with their body it's their own choice, it's up to them.
It won't effect me one way or the other....

Who gives a **** what Hitchens thought about abortion? Can you not make your mind up without a celebrity telling you how to think?

Why do you think anyone reading your post would give a **** what Hitchens thought about abortion?

beefburrito · 12-05-2018 07:47PM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

He's being asked very simple questions and he won't answer them. He claims that abortion is murder, and also claims to have friends who've had abortions. Yet he won't say whether those friends are murderers. Embarrassing himself, tbh.

He doesn't have to say those friends are murderers to be honest.

You're trying to twist the argument into turning him on his friends.

If you accept the fact he said abortion is murder, so he said it, what are you up-to ?

Why twist and behave like a 7 year old in the school yard. Nananana na na well then all your friends are murderers....

Sofiztikated · 12-05-2018 07:47PM

conorhal wrote: »

You embarrass yourself. In Russia the abortion rate is is higher then the live birth rate, that's genocidal. In our nearest neighbour it's 1 in 5 pregnancies. If you're killing a fifth of your population that's pretty embarrasing.

Em, its not a fifth of the population.

spookwoman · 12-05-2018 07:47PM

Hows everyone doing on the bingo

beefburrito · 12-05-2018 07:49PM

BarleySweets wrote: »

Who gives a **** what Hitchens thought about abortion? Can you not make your mind up without a celebrity telling you how to think?

Why do you think anyone reading your post would give a **** what Hitchens thought about abortion?

I have made up my own mind.....

I never said I'm following Hitchens.

But if you think you can do my thinking for me, I'll have what ever you are on

iguana · 12-05-2018 07:50PM

beefburrito wrote: »

Even Hitchens didn't agree with abortion.

Christopher Hitchens? He did not like abortion as he thought of the embryo/fetus as a living thing but also thought women needed to have the right to choose, called it a second-best option and opposed any attempt to overturn Roe vs Wade. So essentially he was the definition of pro-choice despite his own views.

He was also a supporter of the Iraq War which led to the death of well over 100,000 civilians. Actual born, indisputably alive, completely innocent people. So not really that pro-life according to the literal definition.:cool:

wexie · 12-05-2018 07:51PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Hows everyone doing on the bingo

I have to say I thought the 'as a former foetus' was particularly hilarious

bootpaws · 12-05-2018 07:52PM

wexie wrote: »

I have to say I thought the 'as a former foetus' was particularly hilarious

My favourite is when you express concern for women and they say "what about the UNBORN WOMEN!"

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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