8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

RobertKK wrote: »

Ok but they can also make people think of what they are there to take attention from.

So damn them for maybe making people think of what those yokes paraded in their face, while they actively try to stop them?

Please, Robert, that's weak and you know it.

spookwoman wrote: »

Looking into their background they are a group setup to block those graphic and obscene images the pro life lot have been displaying outside hospitals.
I think this was their launch and they wont be out there unless ICBR turn up. I know the Radical Queers are doing the same thing where they go to these ICBR protests and they drape flags etc over the banners

https://twitter.com/KAClifford/status/994572396748247040
http://www.universitytimes.ie/2018/05/the-yes-campaigns-guardian-angels/

Angels? Far from it. Infanticide supporters are not angels

Ally Dick wrote: »

Angels? Far from it. Infanticide supporters are not angels

You support what ICBR are doing?
Love both me arse!

gmisk wrote: »

You support what ICBR are doing?
Love both me arse!

Yes. I do. Anything that might bring people to their senses is necessary. The more shocking the better. The reality is shocking, after all.

You mean, to bring them to YOUR senses.

Ally Dick wrote: »

Yes. I do. Anything that might bring people to their senses is necessary. The more shocking the better. The reality is shocking, after all.

Ah sure who cares who you traumatise right?
Says it all really.

Even the save the 8th people have tried (unsuccessfully) to distance themselves from the ICBR, but you keep backing them? Sure let's see which side it helps!

spookwoman wrote: »

Dont feed the troll ally dick Using his thinking you could say he supports a number of different -cides because the 8th has killed mothers, daughters, sisters, aunts etc

Ah yes. The new excuses. Piggy backing on the cervical smear scandal etc. It's a woman's rights issue now. To hell with the child's right, or the fathers for that matter

Ally Dick wrote: »

Ah yes. The new excuses. Piggy backing on the cervical smear scandal etc. It's a woman's rights issue now. To hell with the child's right, or the fathers for that matter

Were have I mentioned cervical smear. no where. so crawl back under your rock
thats the only response you will get from me

Ally Dick wrote: »

Ah yes. The new excuses. Piggy backing on the cervical smear scandal etc. It's a woman's rights issue now. To hell with the child's right, or the fathers for that matter

In what country in the world is there a fathers "right" to keep a woman pregnant when she doesn't want to me? That sounds a little off to me.

Ally Dick wrote: »

You're playing around with words. You're denying a forming baby a right to life if you get rid of it

Believe it or not, I'm actually trying to have a child with my wife. IVF is an expensive option, and one out of our reach at the moment.

Why not campaign to support mothers, invest in social and economic policies that help families have children, and ensure the women of our country remain in good health?

Rather than enforce those that don't wish to be in that situation to go through with it.

Ally Dick wrote: »

Yes

Then you haven't a compassionate bone in your body.

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Believe it or not, I'm actually trying to have a child with my wife. IVF is an expensive option, and one out of our reach at the moment.

Why not campaign to support mothers, invest in social and economic policies that help families have children, and ensure the women of our country remain in good health?

Rather than enforce those that don't wish to be in that situation to go through with it.

My god. Such irony in what you are saying.

Ally Dick wrote: »

Call me old fashioned. What happened to adoption as an option? Why are the people who wish to end a life the compassionate ones?

Stopping a life from forming is a whole lot different to ending a life, but yes, some times ending a life is compassionate as well.

Adoption Ireland have said adoption should not be used as an alternative to abortion.

Adoption in Ireland is virtually non existent.

We've had a fair few posts on adoption today, concerning adoption. Catch up.

Sofiztikated wrote: »

It matters to me, I'd like to understand you.

Being honest, I've been really cunty to you. I know that. You frustrate me. I want to what you think, and why you think that way. Then I could tailor my argument.

Edit: I, and countless others, have told you how the 8th impacts us. I want to know how the removal of it impacts you.

I just want want you to know, I admire honesty and it is a great trait and thank you for that.
I missed this reply yesterday so I was not ignoring it. Apologies/sorry if you thought I was.

I know there are people on the Yes side here who deep down feel the way about repeal as I do about retaining the 8th. I know it is waste of their time and mine to even believe any of us will change opinion.
Morally we are all different, but I don’t think it being different is a reason for me or others to look at other people differently. We all reach positions in life based on life experience, how we were raised and I accept that, as we all want to be accepted.
Anyway to answer the edit part, I can’t vote yes and then pretend I didn’t know a yes vote would remove all the power from the people on what is a life and death issue. As the judges in their signed statement yesterday said, the 8th amendment could have been amended for cases like FFA and rape which would have been a far more certain vote for a successful referendum. It would be easier to change people’s opinion based on that. But this referendum if a yes goes way beyond that and voting yes would make me complicit with something I don’t agree with, that is how it affects me and I don’t want to have anything to do with what is proposed.

Thanks again for your post. It was far easier to not post that.

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Point out the irony, please.

You are trying hard to have a child through IVF, yet you agree with them being killed off!