Dairy chit chat II

Burning Tires · 09-05-2018 02:33PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Quotas in some form will come back be it by non renewal of dero ,nitrates etc .ive no issue with voluntary reduction scheme been put in place .will suit some and not others so no ones hand will be forced

I think it will be nitrates. All agricultural planning permissions were on hold for months in northern Ireland recently, as they were requesting a nitrogen emission control process. Its caused some amount of uproar, but its coming in. I'd say we'll see it here when the Derogation is recended in 3 years time

Timmaay · 09-05-2018 02:53PM

I Duno about the rest of yas, but money about the only thing that is better this spring than last spring, I'm better on top of bills now definitely, despite all the extra feed etc. So personally I'm going to disagree with the income part of that article. Obviously the price of milk moving forward will tell alot though.

Mooooo · 09-05-2018 03:14PM

Tbh id prefer if they all stopped interfering. Including coops with these fixed price schemes. Income averaging is there for tax issues with volatility, perhaps a decent clear forward selling platform where amount bought is clear but other than that all the interfering is doing is muddying the waters in terms of what the product is actually worth and the intervention only seems to prolong dips as that all has to be cleared anyway. From an Irish pov it had rel little in intervention but clearing what's in it now by the rest of Europe is dragging on price for all

straight · 09-05-2018 03:34PM

I like the look of fr4379 ballydehob pat here myself. Using him a good bit.

GrasstoMilk · 09-05-2018 03:51PM

straight wrote: »

I like the look of fr4379 ballydehob pat here myself. Using him a good bit.

Wouldn't be my pick tbh.
Milk is 310 kgs, solid % is low and his maintainance figure is -8€ Which means they'll be big cows, 620 kgs easily
I'm picking bulls with around 20€ maintainance which should give a mature cow around 550 kilos

mahoney_j · 09-05-2018 04:53PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Wouldn't be my pick tbh.
Milk is 310 kgs, solid % is low and his maintainance figure is -8€ Which means they'll be big cows, 620 kgs easily
I'm picking bulls with around 20€ maintainance which should give a mature cow around 550 kilos

Big frame cow lots of poteintal to give lots of milk and solids .tupe figures for feet legs and udder impressive too which needs to be taken into account .nicely balanced milk and fertility figures .nice all round bull but probably too much milk and light on solids % for me

Brown Podzol · 09-05-2018 06:20PM

Fr4119. Daughter proven in US. 40 kg ms. €99 for milk and €97 for fert. Add in the 15% foreign bulls are discounted to allow home advantage and he's 300 ebi.
Using him mainly on uyc and hmy.

einn32 · 09-05-2018 06:26PM

tanko wrote: »

“They” have been interfering in the market since quotas were abolished with intervention and hardship payments.
Its inevitable that quotas will be brought back.

True. Nitrates being tightened in the future will be an input quota. If the derogation had not come through every few years the dairy landscape might look very different in Ireland.Other environmental restrictions too are possible. The Environment is a huge deal in European politics.

Icelandicseige · 09-05-2018 07:30PM

What weights should maiden heifers be now in order to calf down early next year ? For friesin stock and jersey x fr? Also what Are they worth?

charolais0153 · 09-05-2018 07:32PM

Icelandicseige wrote: »

What weights should maiden heifers be now in order to calf down early next year ? For friesin stock and jersey x fr? Also what Are they worth?

60-65% of mature weight.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 09-05-2018 08:52PM

Icelandicseige wrote: »

What weights should maiden heifers be now in order to calf down early next year ? For friesin stock and jersey x fr? Also what Are they worth?

The target weights are something like 300kg for Jex and 330kgs for Fr at bulling. They will show heats at lower weights and go in calf but they need a lot of looking after to get them up to good weights at calving down at 22-24 months old.

I find the lighter calvers slower to come into heat after calving too but maybe that's just me.

Mooooo · 09-05-2018 10:47PM

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Gawddawggonnit · 10-05-2018 07:20AM

Mooooo wrote: »

Tbh id prefer if they all stopped interfering. Including coops with these fixed price schemes. Income averaging is there for tax issues with volatility, perhaps a decent clear forward selling platform where amount bought is clear but other than that all the interfering is doing is muddying the waters in terms of what the product is actually worth and the intervention only seems to prolong dips as that all has to be cleared anyway. From an Irish pov it had rel little in intervention but clearing what's in it now by the rest of Europe is dragging on price for all

I sold some cc into the pit of a dairy farmer and was at late last night and again this morning. In 2016 I proposed at a dairy meeting that when price goes over 30cpl the excess is banked. I’ve been banking the excess since ‘17 and the farmer has been doing likewise...it adds up. (I expected a fairly severe drop for ‘18 but it’s unlikely to happen this year now)
Has anybody been doing this?...or are we just going with the flow?

With regards the support/subsidising of dairying...why not let them suffer the vagaries of the real world like tillage ffs?
A couple of years of extreme low prices would quickly sort out the men from the boys, even in highly subsidized countries.

wrangler · 10-05-2018 07:49AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I sold some cc into the pit of a dairy farmer and was at late last night and again this morning. In 2016 I proposed at a dairy meeting that when price goes over 30cpl the excess is banked. I’ve been banking the excess since ‘17 and the farmer has been doing likewise...it adds up. (I expected a fairly severe drop for ‘18 but it’s unlikely to happen this year now)
Has anybody been doing this?...or are we just going with the flow?

With regards the support/subsidising of dairying...why not let them suffer the vagaries of the real world like tillage ffs?
A couple of years of extreme low prices would quickly sort out the men from the boys, even in highly subsidized countries.

+1
If the beef industry attempted to do market manipulation the Competition Authorities would be on their backs.....like WTF

mahoney_j · 10-05-2018 08:02AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I sold some cc into the pit of a dairy farmer and was at late last night and again this morning. In 2016 I proposed at a dairy meeting that when price goes over 30cpl the excess is banked. I’ve been banking the excess since ‘17 and the farmer has been doing likewise...it adds up. (I expected a fairly severe drop for ‘18 but it’s unlikely to happen this year now)
Has anybody been doing this?...or are we just going with the flow?

With regards the support/subsidising of dairying...why not let them suffer the vagaries of the real world like tillage ffs?
A couple of years of extreme low prices would quickly sort out the men from the boys, even in highly subsidized countries.

Sure why don’t u just ditch tillage do and go milk a Hape of cows !!!whats been discused is voluntary do a choice is involved

wrangler · 10-05-2018 09:58AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Sure why don’t u just ditch tillage do and go milk a Hape of cows !!!whats been discused is voluntary do a choice is involved

The word voluntary suggests doing something for free........hardly the case.
I wouldn't be surprised at the public service trying something like a ''voluntary'' supply manipulation but it'd be useless, any reduction in supply, the void would be quickly filled, and increased, by whoever leases the land thats released.
All it'd mean is more money from other areas in the agri budget being directed at dairy.
I'm getting a feeling of deja vu, wasn't there talk on here of someone taking the 14c litre supply reduction and selling his surplus through another farmer.
Or was that just ''hypothetical'' talk

whelan2 · 10-05-2018 10:30AM

3 weeks ai done. 90% served

Mooooo · 11-05-2018 02:16PM

Result just came in bf dropped to 3.45 p 3.47, in a paddock that got a bag of urea 10 days ago, 4 to 6 kg of 14% nut. Will be finished his grass 2moro night and into paddocks that would have been spread earlier. Would ye take any action?

visatorro · 11-05-2018 03:54PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Result just came in bf dropped to 3.45 p 3.47, in a paddock that got a bag of urea 10 days ago, 4 to 6 kg of 14% nut. Will be finished his grass 2moro night and into paddocks that would have been spread earlier. Would ye take any action?

Older generation here would be on about leaving a bale of straw at feeding passage. Thinking is fibre in the diet I think. I never do it.

freedominacup · 11-05-2018 03:55PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Result just came in bf dropped to 3.45 p 3.47, in a paddock that got a bag of urea 10 days ago, 4 to 6 kg of 14% nut. Will be finished his grass 2moro night and into paddocks that would have been spread earlier. Would ye take any action?

The spreading date of the urea has little or nothing to do with it. Lack of fibre is your problem. I've increased soya hulls to 35% of concentrate. They're getting over 2kg/HD now. I'll let you know how it's working in a couple of days.

mahoney_j · 11-05-2018 05:33PM

freedominacup wrote: »

The spreading date of the urea has little or nothing to do with it. Lack of fibre is your problem. I've increased soya hulls to 35% of concentrate. They're getting over 2kg/HD now. I'll let you know how it's working in a couple of days.

Nis and 3.5% megafat in nut since start of year .now on 14% nut with maize ,barley soya beet pulp plus vitamins minerals and. cal mag .no buffer now just all grass and fty in parlour averaging 6.1 kg per head daily (3 to 8 kg )34.6 Ltrs 3.75 fat 3.54 p last test .didnt take option on another load of brewers which I was feeding withvstraw before evening milking .just got sick of foddering .without megafat and nis I’d be back at least 0.3 /0.4 in butterfat and sara would be an issue

jaymla627 · 11-05-2018 05:59PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Nis and 3.5% megafat in nut since start of year .now on 14% nut with maize ,barley soya beet pulp plus vitamins minerals and. cal mag .no buffer now just all grass and fty in parlour averaging 6.1 kg per head daily (3 to 8 kg )34.6 Ltrs 3.75 fat 3.54 p last test .didnt take option on another load of brewers which I was feeding withvstraw before evening milking .just got sick of foddering .without megafat and nis I’d be back at least 0.3 /0.4 in butterfat and sara would be an issue

Went to order a nis mix this evening and their out of it/don't know when the next load will be in, hopefully it gets sorted, it's some stuff to keep cows stomachs right

Gawddawggonnit · 11-05-2018 06:18PM

1.5kg/hd/day of hay. It doesn’t even have to be good hay, just edible. Cheap fibre.
We make up a load for a few days at a time. Much faster to make feed up.

mahoney_j · 11-05-2018 06:29PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

1.5kg/hd/day of hay. It doesn’t even have to be good hay, just edible. Cheap fibre.
We make up a load for a few days at a time. Much faster to make feed up.

Majority of hay in this country outside of what coolmore have is pure ****e .what I’ve going in in nut is pure convirnce and it works and I’m confident in what it dose

yosemitesam1 · 11-05-2018 08:14PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Result just came in bf dropped to 3.45 p 3.47, in a paddock that got a bag of urea 10 days ago, 4 to 6 kg of 14% nut. Will be finished his grass 2moro night and into paddocks that would have been spread earlier. Would ye take any action?

Anything high in hemicellulose as it's the fibre that most of which passes through to the gut.
Soyhulls or straw/nis probably the best sources

yewtree · 11-05-2018 10:02PM

Fat never goes below 4 here. Feeding 3 kg of a 3 way barley distillers pulp mix. Cows doing 4.1 fat and 3 6 protein @ 28 litres.
Protein was terrible all spring though. I though the issue with low fats was in the udder due to oils in the grass

Mooooo · 11-05-2018 10:15PM

Jan was lowest p figure at 3.36 for the month been above 3.45 every month since with bf 3.8 to 4.07 range each month for since Jan. Last collection has been lowest, in few weeks before it was around 3.7. My bf over the year tends to be around 4. Fresh calvers in aut prob bring it down a bit. Second rotation grass probable cause, bin will be 10 days to empty so will keep an eye on results, cows seem fine otherwise. Rep says seem to be happening to lads even finishing first rotation and reckons from other lads that changing the ration much doesn't seem to help that straw would be as effective if they'd eat it but forcing them to eat it would hit everything else

Dakota Dan · 11-05-2018 11:29PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Majority of hay in this country outside of what coolmore have is pure ****e .what I’ve going in in nut is pure convirnce and it works and I’m confident in what it dose

Nonsense, a seasoned hay maker here, the last year for proper hat was 2013, I'm still feeding it and it's still green. Sorry but more farmers in Ireland know how to make hay other than coolmore. BTW don't they have a dryer? That's cheating.

mahoney_j · 11-05-2018 11:50PM

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Nonsense, a seasoned hay maker here, the last year for proper hat was 2013, I'm still feeding it and it's still green. Sorry but more farmers in Ireland know how to make hay other than coolmore. BTW don't they have a dryer? That's cheating.

I did say majority .......and yes coolmore do have dryers .making good hay is both luck and an art .i do t have time or patience to make it and then there’s the weather !!!

Gawddawggonnit · 12-05-2018 06:04AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Majority of hay in this country outside of what coolmore have is pure ****e .what I’ve going in in nut is pure convirnce and it works and I’m confident in what it dose

If you’re buffering with a mixer wagon it doesn’t matter the quality of hay once its edible. We chop a few ton at a time to about 2” in length and add to feeder as needed. If not chopped down to that length they just won’t eat it.

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