8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

MonsterCookie · 10-05-2018 09:33PM

bubblypop wrote: »

spookwoman wrote: »

F**k sake
https://twitter.com/Deisesupes/status/994610065503145984

First thing I noticed....... All old men.
Shows what they think of the women in their lives & their country

Ah here. Are you saying it’s ok for men to have an opinion as long as you agree with it? I don’t agree with their stance but don’t care whether they’re male or female.

Sofiztikated · 10-05-2018 09:33PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

The truth hurts Tom, i will vote no but agree 100% with everything else you have said, this thread is a disgrace moderated by amateurs to allow what has gone on.

I don't think you have anything to feel moral superiority for.

Repeatedly mocking a users miscarriage is your MO.

Ave Sodalis · 10-05-2018 09:35PM

AnneFrank wrote:

The truth hurts Tom, i will vote no but agree 100% with everything else you have said, this thread is a disgrace moderated by amateurs to allow what has gone on.

Your posts are toxic. I've not blocked anyone on Boards, but I'm getting damn close to blocking you.

Sofiztikated · 10-05-2018 09:38PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

Ah here. Are you saying it’s ok for men to have an opinion as long as you agree with it? I don’t agree with their stance but don’t care whether they’re male or female.

I'm not a fan of that angle, but they're not exactly the people that will be directly affected by the 8th.

10-05-2018 09:42PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

Ah here. Are you saying it’s ok for men to have an opinion as long as you agree with it? I don’t agree with their stance but don’t care whether they’re male or female.

No, I'm just saying the first thing I noticed.
I'm dissapointed that the majority of no supporters are men. They don't seem to understand the implications of the 8th amendment, it's all about the babies!

Paranoid Bob · 10-05-2018 09:43PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I'm not a fan of that angle, but they're not exactly the people that will be directly affected by the 8th.

So I and others like me should just stay home? I'm not even married, and I'm old enough now that I'm very unlikely to have children or be in a relationship with someone who is pregnant.

They are entitled to campaign.

10-05-2018 09:44PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

Ah here. Are you saying it’s ok for men to have an opinion as long as you agree with it? I don’t agree with their stance but don’t care whether they’re male or female.

Oh I just showed that pic to the people here with me, a Finnish, German , Bulgarian & Irish man. What did they all notice? That they are all older men.
& that's 4 men that noticed it.

AnneFrank · 10-05-2018 09:47PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Your posts are toxic. I've not blocked anyone on Boards, but I'm getting damn close to blocking you.

I won't stop you,but considering you are going to leave your family dr for generations,who has actually saved one of their lives because they are voting no, tells me you are a tad on the dramatic side.

AnneFrank · 10-05-2018 09:49PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh I just showed that pic to the people here with me, a Finnish, German , Bulgarian & Irish man. What did they all notice? That they are all older men.
& that's 4 men that noticed it.

The love both crew in front of the cameras today were all women, lots of women I know voting no,young and old

crustybla · 10-05-2018 09:50PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh I just showed that pic to the people here with me, a Finnish, German , Bulgarian & Irish man. What did they all notice? That they are all older men.
& that's 4 men that noticed it.

My hubby said the same thing. In saying that, two of my closest friends are staunch no, one is 40, the other 28 and both women. My pensioner dad is staunch yes.

SusieBlue · 10-05-2018 09:50PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

I won't stop you,but considering you are going to leave your family dr for generations,who has actually saved one of their lives because they are voting no, tells me you are a tad on the dramatic side.

No it’s not dramatic. I wouldn’t be seen to by a No voting doctor either.
I need to be confident that the person who is treating me prioritises my well-being over the contents of my womb.
I couldn’t be certain that a No voting doctor would have my best interests at heart.

It’s a legitimate concern to have, but shock horror for you to dismiss it as irrelevant.

10-05-2018 09:51PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

The love both crew in front of the cameras today were all women, lots of women I know voting no,young and old

Thankfully, there are no women in my life, family or friends that will vote no!

Sofiztikated · 10-05-2018 09:51PM

Paranoid Bob wrote: »

So I and others like me should just stay home? I'm not even married, and I'm old enough now that I'm very unlikely to have children or be in a relationship with someone who is pregnant.

They are entitled to campaign.

Absolutely they are, and entitled to vote how they wish.

But it's still a point.

Wrongway1985 · 10-05-2018 09:51PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

We as in the Yes voters of Clonmel - notwithstanding Mattie McGrath there are plenty of us.

Man I hope you're right,

Saw 6 or 7 young people wearing pink hi-vis vests today in Clonmel, as I passed it was apparent they were Loveboth reps

, the only upside was it looked like they may be too young to vote.

Paddy Power currently have No vote favourite to win out regarding the Tipperary constituency btw.

Mattie is a complete spoof he voted against the children's rights referendum too,he actually did that! so basically he argues rights for the unborn and argues against the rights to actual children being primary concern where their guardianship is failing. Go figure!

pitifulgod · 10-05-2018 09:55PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

I won't stop you,but considering you are going to leave your family dr for generations,who has actually saved one of their lives because they are voting no, tells me you are a tad on the dramatic side.

I've had a gp that I left because I didn't feel like I could trust them in relation to my wellbeing. I would consider this to be the exact same type of scenario imho.

spookwoman · 10-05-2018 09:56PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

Ah here. Are you saying it’s ok for men to have an opinion as long as you agree with it? I don’t agree with their stance but don’t care whether they’re male or female.

It's the first thing I noticed as well. A group of middle aged men trying to control my body. Considering I had a scan delayed for a tumor because someone thought I might be pregnant when I knew I wasn't you have to understand my position. None of them will ever have diagnosis or treatment delayed because they might be pregnant. What makes it worse is these are elected officials and I wonder how many disclosed they were pro life when canvasing for election.

Sofiztikated · 10-05-2018 09:57PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

I won't stop you,but considering you are going to leave your family dr for generations,who has actually saved one of their lives because they are voting no, tells me you are a tad on the dramatic side.

Not really, moving to a doctor that can offer you the best care is a good thing.

My GP actually studied with one of my consultants in my condition, and is familiar with my condition, in so far that a GP can be. He's been a great help and has been my GP for 30 odd years, but if I think I can get a better service from another GP, I'll go.

Its my health.

spookwoman · 10-05-2018 10:02PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

I won't stop you,but considering you are going to leave your family dr for generations,who has actually saved one of their lives because they are voting no, tells me you are a tad on the dramatic side.

It's called choice and people can choose to stay with a doctor or leave if they want.
You are coming across as quite petulant claiming someone is being dramatic because they want the best for their own health.

The Legend Of Kira · 10-05-2018 10:06PM

A good few Waterford city/county councillors took part in this photo op calling for for a no vote publicly, some people may agree or disagree with my analysis-but they must be getting a lot of feedback from people in their local areas leaning towards a no vote. Hence why they likely choose to publicly call for a no vote rather then keep their views privately to themselves if things were leaning towards a yes vote in their local areas.

Yer Da sells Avon · 10-05-2018 10:12PM

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

A good few Waterford city/county councillors took part in this photo op calling for for a no vote publicly, some people may agree or disagree with my analysis-but they must be getting a lot of feedback from people in their local areas leaning towards a no vote. Hence why they likely choose to publicly call for a no vote rather then keep their views privately to themselves if things were leaning towards a yes vote in their local areas.

The Lads.

spookwoman · 10-05-2018 10:14PM

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

A good few Waterford city/county councillors took part in this photo op calling for for a no vote publicly, some people may agree or disagree with my analysis-but they must be getting a lot of feedback from people in their local areas leaning towards a no vote. Hence why they likely choose to publicly call for a no vote rather then keep their views privately to themselves if things were leaning towards a yes vote in their local areas.

I don't know, the Same paper is having a poll and 90% are in favor of repealing the 8th.

PhoenixParker · 10-05-2018 10:14PM

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It wasnt me123 · 10-05-2018 10:15PM

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Man I hope you're right,

Saw 6 or 7 young people wearing pink hi-vis vests today in Clonmel, as I passed it was apparent they were Loveboth reps , the only upside was it looked like they may be too young to vote.

Mattie is a complete spoof .......!

Mattie is a laughing stock, ridiculous like the Healy Raes, total gombeens.

There is a Repeal debate in The Park Hotel, Clonmel next Thursday night, I will get a good guide as to how things are.

I'm getting a good response in my conversations with the public.

spookwoman · 10-05-2018 10:17PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Mattie is a laughing stock, ridiculous like the Healy Raes, total gombeens.

There is a Repeal debate in The Park Hotel, Clonmel next Thursday night, I will get a good guide as to how things are.

I'm getting a good response in my conversations with the public.

They ship the no side in from other area's that I saw in the waterford debate

Yeah_Right · 10-05-2018 10:18PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

The following is an extract from a woman's story on the FB page In Her Shoes posted today.

"I suffered cardiac issues in my first pregnancy at the end and in labour, it was scary to say the least. Afterwards I was told it was just an unfortunate side effect of my pregnancy and no more was ever said about it. When I fell pregnant again the cardiac issues occurred from 10 weeks and got worse every week.

At 22 weeks I followed my GPâ€™s advice of heading straight to the hospital if I was worried. I was brought into a room on the maternity ward straight away and my baby was checked out immediately. Baby was fine. It took over half an hour for anyone to take my pulse. When the consultant came in the nurse gave an overview of my symptoms. The consultant panicked and said â€˜the baby has erratic and irregular heart rate?â€™ and once they were told no itâ€™s the mother they replied â€˜oh just the motherâ€™ and walked off.

That day it hit me so hard that it didnâ€™t matter what was happening to me as long as the baby was ok. I felt so sad and angry and then guilty that I was worrying about myself. Iâ€™ve learnt since itâ€™s ok to feel sad and angry, Iâ€™m not being selfish wanting to be ok. Itâ€™s not selfish to want to be alive for my husband and daughter. I cried on the way home. That was the start of many visits where I left in tears.

36 weeks arrived and I hobbled into the consultantâ€™s room and I asked for my section date and he said weâ€™d review at 38 weeks as the baby may not be breech then. I got angry and explained yet again that no matter what way the baby was I needed this to happen soon, I was beyond desperate just trying to exist every day and I was afraid of what pushing a baby out would do to my heart again.

My baby came 2 days before 39 weeks and I was near cardiac arrest through the delivery. I spent 7 hours in recovery afterwards as my heart went into a very erratic state. The poor midwife that pulled the short straw that day was amazing to me and was so angry that I was not having a section but she worked hard to look after me and to keep me calm.

The next day I was discharged and during that process I was advised not to get pregnant again as the cardiac issues would possibly be worse, possibly start earlier in the pregnancy and there would be a high risk of heart failure due to all Iâ€™ve been through or lifelong damage. I was also advised to speak to my GP about having some additional check-ups.
I cried.

Voting No is not stopping abortions, it is just punishing and torturing women who choose to have them. It is also ensuring that we continue to be treated as vessels without a voice.

Voting Yes gives us a voice, ownership of our own bodies and is removing the punishment for a situation that may be unfavourable to a certain group of the population yet has absolutely no bearing on their lives whatsoever".

Emer, Mayo.

Robert I really wish you would open your eyes and ears and LISTEN to these women who are all around you.

Whether you think abortion is wrong is your own belief. Stop standing in the way of our maternity care.

I don't know what she's complaining about. The baby is alive and so is she. This just proves once again that Ireland has the best maternity care in the world. Don't you agree Robert?

Ave Sodalis · 10-05-2018 10:25PM

AnneFrank wrote:

I won't stop you,but considering you are going to leave your family dr for generations,who has actually saved one of their lives because they are voting no, tells me you are a tad on the dramatic side.

I'm still considering it, but thanks for the sneery post that further proves my point. If you really want to know, I'll be going in to the GP if the referendum passes with a list of scenarios that the referendum has brought up and asking how she would approach them.

If she wants to advocate a No vote because she would not let the 8th stop her from treating me, then I will stay with her, as silly as it is for her to presume that because it won't stop her that it won't stop any doctor. However, if her answers show that she would treat me based on whether or not I could be pregnant, then I will have to move. Not because she is a No voter, but because she is letting it dictate my healthcare and I would receive better healthcare elsewhere.

Of course, you already know this. I'm just repeating it for those who have just joined the thread.

The Legend Of Kira · 10-05-2018 10:26PM

spookwoman wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

A good few Waterford city/county councillors took part in this photo op calling for for a no vote publicly, some people may agree or disagree with my analysis-but they must be getting a lot of feedback from people in their local areas leaning towards a no vote. Hence why they likely choose to publicly call for a no vote rather then keep their views privately to themselves if things were leaning towards a yes vote in their local areas.

I don't know, the Same paper is having a poll and 90% are in favor of repealing the 8th.

There is a portion of people who aren,t on social media, when the vote is over with it will be interesting to show how reflective views expressed on social media is. But if they thought things were leaning towards a yes vote locally in their areas they represent, surely they d know it would be political suicide to call publicly for no vote & opt to keep their views on the referendum privately to themselves? .

Paranoid Bob · 10-05-2018 10:32PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Absolutely they are, and entitled to vote how they wish.

But it's still a point.

Let's try and win the referendum without resorting to sexist stereotypes. There are good arguments to be made in support of repeal regardless of the sex of the person making them. How about we focus on that?

Ally Dick · 10-05-2018 10:34PM

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

A good few Waterford city/county councillors took part in this photo op calling for for a no vote publicly, some people may agree or disagree with my analysis-but they must be getting a lot of feedback from people in their local areas leaning towards a no vote. Hence why they likely choose to publicly call for a no vote rather then keep their views privately to themselves if things were leaning towards a yes vote in their local areas.

I see the Politician Of Death is not in that picture - John Halligan. He's in favour of abortion I'm sure, as much as he is favour of euthananasia. Despicable.

Sofiztikated · 10-05-2018 10:42PM

Paranoid Bob wrote: »

Let's try and win the referendum without resorting to sexist stereotypes. There are good arguments to be made in support of repeal regardless of the sex of the person making them. How about we focus on that?

Absolutely, and I agree.

I'm a 35 year old, male, married, and living in Cavan, I'm more than familiar with local councillors, and I'm not pulling the "dats sexist" line.

But there's no denying how the picture looks.

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