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Hunky Monster wrote: »

Yep born a woman and competes as a man. Absolutely terrible "interview", didn't question any of his beliefs. Says that gender is on a spectrum but references science when talking about Caster Semenya. Black lives matter, gender spectrum, male privellage. Jesus Christ at least question something, all agreement all the time with these interviews. Ask a tough question at least.

Trumps attitude? He was blocking trans people serving in th military. You'd swear he hates everyone from the LGBT community going by that interview.

It wasn't a Paxman style interview, but I found it very interesting. Don't think every interview needs to be hard-hitting tbh. Never heard of this fella before. I definitely would have been on the side of woman-to-man transgender athletes would never be competitive at the elite level, so surprised to hear of his success.

I always think the Trump ban on trans people serving in the military is overdone. For more than the first 7 years of Obama's presidency the ban was in place too.

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Yep born a woman and competes as a man. Absolutely terrible "interview", didn't question any of his beliefs. Says that gender is on a spectrum but references science when talking about Caster Semenya. Black lives matter, gender spectrum, male privellage. Jesus Christ at least question something, all agreement all the time with these interviews. Ask a tough question at least.

I got bored after 12 minutes and switched off. The 2 questions that needed to be asked are: If it fair for a male to female transgender to compete against women when they have an natural advantage? And if you're taking testosterone supplements to a "normal level", is it fair that you compete against men who have a naturally lower level of testosterone who aren't allowed to artificially boost it? These could have been asked, but it seemed to be a "aren't you great defying all odds" kind of interview.

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Trumps attitude? He was blocking trans people serving in th military. You'd swear he hates everyone from the LGBT community going by that interview.

Trump doing that was pathetic in fairness.

dulpit wrote: »

Being transgender is a mental health issue?

I think it is, yes.

dulpit wrote: »

Being transgender is a mental health issue?

I didn't want to get into this but look at the stats for transgender people.

A 2012 survey of Ireland and the UK says:

44% of trans respondents said they self-harmed. 38% reported self-harming in the past and 6% currently self-harm.

78% of trans respondents said they had thought about ending their life. 63% of respondents said they thought about attempting suicide in the last year.

40% of respondents said they had attempted suicide in their life. 12% attempted once, 22% attempted 2-5 times and 6% attempted suicide more than 5 times.

A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered [sic], evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered [sic] began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered [sic] after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription.

Bottom line is that it's clearly a mental issue. It's up there with this nonsence about gender being on a spectrum when ALL science proves that there are two genders. Peoples feelings do not trump scientific facts no matter how upset that makes them feel.

Anyway, that aside they really picked a pathetic example for this interview, why didn't they interview a man competing in womens sports for example? Some men are absolutely destroying womens sports, a simple google of this will tell you just how many and the variety of sports. Taking pills and having an operation doesn't make you a man or a woman, mens hands are bigger, men have more muscle density, men have more testosterone and to be competing alongside women benefits who exactly? It doesn't benefit men, it doesn't benefit women, it benefits the mentally ill person who everyone else is bending over backwards for to change the rules to include them.

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I didn't want to get into this but look at the stats for transgender people.

A 2012 survey of Ireland and the UK says:

44% of trans respondents said they self-harmed. 38% reported self-harming in the past and 6% currently self-harm.

78% of trans respondents said they had thought about ending their life. 63% of respondents said they thought about attempting suicide in the last year.

40% of respondents said they had attempted suicide in their life. 12% attempted once, 22% attempted 2-5 times and 6% attempted suicide more than 5 times.



Bottom line is that it's clearly a mental issue. It's up there with this nonsence about gender being on a spectrum when ALL science proves that there are two genders. Peoples feelings do not trump scientific facts no matter how upset that makes them feel.

Anyway, that aside they really picked a pathetic example for this interview, why didn't they interview a man competing in womens sports for example? Some men are absolutely destroying womens sports, a simple google of this will tell you just how many and the variety of sports. Taking pills and having an operation doesn't make you a man or a woman, mens hands are bigger, men have more muscle density, men have more testosterone and to be competing alongside women benefits who exactly? It doesn't benefit men, it doesn't benefit women, it benefits the mentally ill person who everyone else is bending over backwards for to change the rules to include them.

Jeez, I wonder why transgender people have such high rates of depression/etc when society is so welcoming for them... :rolleyes:





On a completely unrelated note, but related to the show - when they had their 5th anniversary specials they mentioned about hosting the show with some listeners or something (asking people to suggest where) - did anything ever come of this?

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Yeah it's all my fault for posting facts from scientific studies on the internet.

Your facts don't back up your point in the slightest. You're assuming that trans people are suicidal/depressed owing to the fact that they are Trans, which would be an unfair and incorrect assumption. Without reading the study, its more than likely that trans people in Ireland and Britain feel this way owing to the lack of acceptance in society. In essence, people saying they have a mental health issue because they feel this way. It's absolutely nothing to do with what gender they feel they are.

If you search back far enough you'll find plenty of studies showing similar studies of gay people but today nobody is suggesting they have mental health issues. They felt this way for the same reason some trans people currently feel this way i.e. due to the sociological pressures exerted by society and the climate we live in.

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Born a man, compete with men, born a woman compete with women.

And supposing you're born with both sex organs?

deise_boi wrote: »

And supposing you're born with both sex organs?

How often does that happen? I mean really what sort of point is that?

Kingp35 wrote: »

deise_boi wrote: »

And supposing you're born with both sex organs?

Do it based it on testosterone levels. Above a certain limit and you compete with men, below and you compete with women. There has to be a divide, allowing a free for all is absolute madness and will ruin womens sport. They struggle for recognition as it is.

That won't work anyway

Hunky Monster wrote: »

It's not my opinion. They're scientific studies. Its absolutely none of my business what trans people do nor do I care either way, it doesn't affect me at all. The studies show the massive mental health issue, im not saying trans people don't have a hard go at life, for sure they do but people in the western world are generally very accepting and these people can find their own friends and own communities to socialise in just like everyone else. The stats are the stats.

When it comes to acceptance in sports well I'm absolutely against it. There's a good reason 99% of sports are broken into two categories, men and women, when you start muddying the waters with surgery and drugs and the CLEAR advantage men have over women in terms of body type, muscle mass, bigger hands, arms, legs etc. Born a man, compete with men, born a woman compete with women.

First and foremost, it is your opinion. It is your interpretation of the statistics in the report. Giving figures without any context or background information is utterly irrelevant. I notice you only quote the figures and not the actual findings of the report. I would be stunned if the report found a link between trans people and mental health. Why don't you post a link to it?

Secondly, while you have not linked the report, there's nothing scientific about it. It is a statistical survey. There is no science to back it up. Of course, that doesn't make it any less relevant or correct but you are wrong to assume it is scientific.

When it comes to acceptance in sport, trans people have every right to be accommodated. They have the equal rights to you and I. However, there requires a massive conversation around the issue in order to identify which category is best suited to them. We've broken it down by gender up until now, there is no reason why we cannot change that if another method is found. I'm a fan of conducting research in order to better categorise people and following the outcome of this research. Anything else is exerting a prejudice and not determining an conclusion based on scientific fact. Trans people have as much right to compete in sport whether that be in a mens division, womens division, a trans division or any other method we work out.

Just to put to bed the transgender mental health issues here. It came up when someone mentioned it as a reason they shouldn't join the military. It makes no difference to any argument here what percentage of transgender self harm or are depressed. Donald Trump clearly stated on numerous occasions, including his 2 official memos issuing the ban, that the ban was put in place because of unnecessary healthcare costs transgender people would be entitled to through the military. Nothing to do with mental health issues.

He said it's a "tremendous cost to the military". Estimated cost of health benefits for the current 15,000 transgender in the navy, army and coast guard is between $2 and $8m. To put it in perspective, the 2017 Shayrat missile strike cost $110m on tomahawk missiles unit cost alone.

So transgender mental health has nothing to do with anything here

threein99 wrote: »

Eamonn MaGee sounds like a lovely man

Eoin sounded petrified interviewing him!

threein99 wrote: »

Eamonn MaGee sounds like a lovely man

Who among us hasn't threatened to kill women in our lives? A charming figure of speech!

Patww79 wrote: »

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Today's was good. Very different than the usual fare, and an interesting life. Love some of the Belfast expressions too.