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Smear Test Scandal

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Amirani wrote: »
    Chief Medical Officer tells PAC that the memo relates to the 'known phenomenon' that uptake of screening programmes drops when there is negative media coverage that damages their reputation.

    This is likely already the case because of general public's misunderstanding of what's going on.

    Why don't you fill us in how it is all one big misunderstanding ?

    Yes we know that cervical screening is no guarantee of avoiding cancer but if it is a cheap slipshod option then it is as good as a waste of time for some.

    Correct if I am wrong here, but people don't now rate the cervical cancer screening service because ...

    1. Women were not informed that screening was faulty at a US lab and that they may have been more quickly diagnosed if screening was done correctly.

    2. And the US lab was used because it was a cheaper solution as less time was given to analyse samples and it's analysis was more suitable to a program where these failures would be highlighted through a shorter time between screenings visits than that used by Ireland.

    3. Experts had voiced their concerns at the time the US lab was selected, but were admonished and dismissed and they resigned in protest.

    4. When women did find out what had happened and they took legal cases the defendants (State Claims Dept and the US lab) had sought gagging orders so that the plaintiffs would not publicly reveal what a clusterfook there was.

    5. The head of HSE knew there was a problem in mid 2016 but yet had the gall to tell people he only learned of this a few weeks ago.

    6. And even after a brave terminally ill plaintiff went public, the HSE still had not contacted some women concerned.



    So please convince us why women or indeed anyone should have trust in our health service ?

    And tell us all how it is just one big misunderstanding.

    And while you are at it drive down to Kerry and tell a lady about to find out tomorrow how long she has left with her 5 children.
    And as you are passing Limerick drop in to Vichy Phelan and tell her how this misunderstanding means she won't get to see her two children grow up.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Amirani wrote: »
    No, you're not right. They actually don't like each other by all accounts and had many run-ins while Varadkar was in the Department of Health by all accounts. There's no action being taken because the level of his responsibility is currently unclear and he's also leaving in a couple of months anyway.

    So he is leaving with a big fat pension


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,452 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I couldn't listen to Emmas interview until now . I couldn't risk being upset in front of a young granddaughter . I listened now because Emma deserves that I listen
    My heart is broken for her and her family and I am angry for her
    Angry and fuming at people who don't even care enough to be ashamed of themselves . Who won't even step down in respect for the women they let down
    Angry at Tony O Brien who pompously sits there and disrespects dying women because apparently " its not his fault "

    Get out of my sight you pompous arse


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I couldn't listen to Emmas interview until now . I couldn't risk being upset in front of a young granddaughter . I listened now because Emma deserves that I listen
    My heart is broken for her and her family and I am angry for her
    Angry and fuming at people who don't even care enough to be ashamed of themselves . Who won't even step down in respect for the women they let down
    Angry at Tony O Brien who pompously sits there and disrespects dying women because apparently " its not his fault "

    Get out of my sight you pompous arse


    Here's Emma's PODCAST.. Probably one of the hardest, saddest and gut wrenching interviews I've ever heard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,452 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Here's Emma'sProbably one of the hardest, saddest and gut wrenching interviews I've ever heard.
    I cried for Emma and her family . So sad , so unnecessary .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I cried for Emma and her family . So sad , so unnecessary .

    Hey I'm not made of stone either.

    I don't think I'd ever heard a sadness like I heard in that ladies voice.

    I just can't get my head around a lot of this, and why we're not marching on the gates of Leinster House.

    But these bastards in the HSE & Leinster House will get the silence they desperately tried to buy when women like Vicky and Emma are in their cold graves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,452 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Hey I'm not made of stone either.

    I don't think I'd ever heard a sadness like I heard in that ladies voice.

    I just can't get my head around a lot of this, and why we're not marching on the gates of Leinster House.

    But these bastards in the HSE & Leinster House will get the silence they desperately tried to buy when women like Vicky and Emma are in their cold graves.

    I will get out and march if its organised. But I will be mailing my TD's and expressing my shock at this horror of a tragedy .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    I feel sick after listening to that, I can't even imagine what she is going through.

    I can't understand why serious criminal charges aren't being sought nevermind a resignation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    The interview was stone cold razors edge stuff all the worst nightmares of a parent coming true in one voice

    I don't actually think the HSE boss is the true villain in this and I think he is going to sing like a canary once his time is up

    Election Time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    O'Brien has resigned.

    If he'd any decency he'd fall on his own sword now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,452 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    O'Brien has resigned.

    If he'd any decency he'd fall on his own sword now.

    I think there are a few women who might help him do so


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    I'm guessing that a resignation means that he walks away with his gratuity and pension?.

    The windy pair of bastards Leo Varadkar and Simon Harris hadn't the balls to sack him.

    I could throttle those two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    mariaalice wrote: »
    He probably does have to go at this stage, but the politicing by SF is disgusting using the terminally ill woman to point score.

    It's the HSE defending bastards that seems to be doing most of the politicing.the strategic communications units will earn their wages the next few days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Mrmoe wrote: »
    I feel sick after listening to that, I can't even imagine what she is going through.

    I can't understand why serious criminal charges aren't being sought nevermind a resignation.

    What kind of criminal charges and for what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,871 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Uriel. wrote: »
    What kind of criminal charges and for what?

    Public services taking our tax money under false pretences would be a start.
    Apparently they can't be sacked for acting the brat so what else would you expect


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    wrangler wrote: »
    Public services taking our tax money under false pretences would be a start.
    Apparently they can't be sacked for acting the brat so what else would you expect

    I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to mean.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Dinarius


    Whatever about OBrien’s culpability in all of this; as with the resignation of Nóirín Ó’Sullivan, the respective cesspits that they both had to preside over (successfully or not, is for others to judge) will continue on their unaccountable ways.

    Cutting off the head of the Hydra achieves precisely nothing, other than making our elected tossers think they look good and that they’re doing their jobs. They’re not, of course.

    D.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    mariaalice wrote: »
    He probably does have to go at this stage, but the politicing by SF is disgusting using the terminally ill woman to point score.

    It was said on one of the news programmes yesterday morning that Emma Mhic Mhathúna felt that Mary Lou Mcdonald was the only politician she could trust and that was why she contacted her so in this case at least it appears that she is representing a citizens interest not band waggoning or point scoring.

    If you're going to get disgusted at politicians over this issue I don't think the shinners are the ones to blame.


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It was said on one of the news programmes yesterday morning that Emma Mhic Mhathúna felt that Mary Lou Mcdonald was the only politician she could trust and that was why she contacted her so in this case at least it appears that she is representing a citizens interest not band waggoning or point scoring.

    If you're going to get disgusted at politicians over this issue I don't think the shinners are the ones to blame.

    Its not just them FF are at it too despite the fact that the services were privatised under there watch. It hard to know if politicians are sincere they do outrage so often as a response.

    I am waiting to see the report from the Gynecologist they have appointed to look into it.

    That memo saying patients might go to the media is outrageous though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Its not just them FF are at it too despite the fact that the services were privatised under there watch. It hard to know if politicians are sincere they do outrage so often as a response.

    I am waiting to see the report from the Gynecologist they have appointed to look into it.

    That memo saying patients might go to the media is outrageous though.

    I would say some(not all) politicians are not sincere and use crisis's as opportunities. Its a global thing that politics attracts power hungry self interested people whose only real motives are personal gain. I think in the Dail, we have a lot of these folk.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    I see Emma Mhic Mhathuna says she has gone to her local Garda station and called on them to arrest HSE's Tony O' Brien for attempted murder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    JMNolan wrote: »
    I see Emma Mhic Mhathuna says she has gone to her local Garda station and called on them to arrest HSE's Tony O' Brien for attempted murder.

    They ain’t gonna give a flying f


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    JMNolan wrote: »
    I see Emma Mhic Mhathuna says she has gone to her local Garda station and called on them to arrest HSE's Tony O' Brien for attempted murder.

    Obviously she's understandably distraught with her terrible situation, but she's being ridiculous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Whether they do or not I don't know but I can guarantee they will not want to be seen to be unsympathetic in this specific case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Amirani wrote: »
    Obviously she's understandably distraught with her terrible situation, but she's being ridiculous.

    I dunno how you can say this with such certainty, criminal medical negligence is a thing, it does exist, it's not a made up concept. I'm not saying criminal medical negligence is the case here but to have a laugh at Emma over her claims is short sighted.


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But would it not be the lab that misread her smear test that was criminally negligent?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    JMNolan wrote: »
    I dunno how you can say this with such certainty, criminal medical negligence is a thing, it does exist, it's not a made up concept. I'm not saying criminal medical negligence is the case here but to have a laugh at Emma over her claims is short sighted.

    I can say it with certainty that Tony O'Brien was not guilty of criminal medical negligence, based both on what actually happened and what the law defines criminal medical negligence to be.

    The scope of it is very narrow. I've had a close family member die because of medical error, medical error is one of the biggest causes of deaths in Irish hospitals. To suggest that doctors or people in the health service are guilty of attempted murder in such a case, without any evidence to indicate malice, is disgusting.

    I'm not laughing over her claims whatsoever, but they're completely inappropriate. She's been venting in the media over her smear being read incorrectly - no action from Tony O'Brien or anyone else could've prevented that. Vicky Phelan's arguments are much better informed on the matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    JMNolan wrote: »
    I dunno how you can say this with such certainty, criminal medical negligence is a thing, it does exist, it's not a made up concept. I'm not saying criminal medical negligence is the case here but to have a laugh at Emma over her claims is short sighted.

    It is a thing, but it's not murder. And I don't see anyone having a laugh at this poor woman and her terrible situation


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    mariaalice wrote: »
    But would it not be the lab that misread her smear test that was criminally negligent?

    If that's how the health service actually worked then nobody would be a doctor or work in a medical laboratory.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,452 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Amirani wrote: »
    Obviously she's understandably distraught with her terrible situation, but she's being ridiculous.

    Do you know that sometimes even if you think something its best left unsaid .
    This womans mind must be in total turmoil and her anger is completely and utterly understandable .To judge her now and to make her look small really only reflects on you to be honest


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