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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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  • #3332
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Esmeralda Inexpensive Balloonist wrote: »
    The majority of women who have an abortion already have a child or children. What is your understanding of how they'd go about adoption as an alternative to abortion please?

    Very little, I'd imagine.


  • #3333
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    Really so when your mother was pregnant she said Im expecting a foetus? You are one funny guy.

    Like most people I gather she probably didn't announce at conception, instead announced after first trimester had lapsed that very concept shows that majority of people are not confident that a foetus = certain healthy baby


  • #3334
    patrickSTARR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭patrickSTARR


    kylith wrote: »
    And I donmt share your belief, so why should you get to force it on me?

    Because it kills a life


  • #3335
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,912 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    Very telling? Telling of what? It is an option and the law doesnt force anybody to give a baby up. Zeroing in on side issues is pointless. The adoption law does allow open adoptions and can be made more accessible . Sure you can do all sorts of things under the law if we decide to do, so getting bogged down in the small print of this or that law takes away from the fact an abortion is deciding not to save a life-not to raise that life or give others the chance to be parents. Sure ,we allow surrogacy and viking sperm donations-so making adoption more accessible should not be a trouble.

    As for whats being proposed-once the referendum has been passed (yes) then the 12 weeks will be pushed out.

    very telling that you have a complete inability to listen.


  • #3336
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    patrickSTARR wrote: »
    Because it kills a life

    So does the production of meat products. Whats your point? Are you Vegan?


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  • #3337
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Gintonious wrote: »
    John McGuirk wrote:
    "Concerns about electoral integrity" = "Concerns the wrong side might win".

    John McGuirk is taking this well.

    It must be awfully tempting seeing all those dollars burning a hole in the accounts of whatever shell company trades as "Save The 8th", rendered mostly impotent by Google and Facebook. It would be a shame if it got embezzled.


  • #3338
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    patrickSTARR wrote: »
    Because it kills a life

    Why should a pre >12 week gestated fetus have an equal right to life as me?

    Why should my healthcare be compromised because of the contents of my womb?


  • #3339
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    patrickSTARR wrote: »
    Because it kills a life

    If that's the case why isn't it classed as murder?

    (I'll give you a hint, it's because it's not killing a life)


  • #3340
    patrickSTARR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭patrickSTARR


    ELM327 wrote: »
    You cannot kill that which does not have sentience and life.
    Killing means to end life.
    Your use of the word "kill" is a red herring.

    Again that is what you believe and what others don't.

    I believe it kills a life.

    While repealing the 8th isn't a black and white issue, and the yes vote has its merits, I believe the lesser of two evils is to vote no.


  • #3341
    patrickSTARR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭patrickSTARR


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Why should a pre >12 week gestated fetus have an equal right to life as me?

    Why should my healthcare be compromised because of the contents of my womb?

    Because its a life, just like you.

    The contents of your womb is a life.


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  • #3342
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    You should be asking what is the state offering rather than death as an option for the unborn as a choice.
    I mean a study in the US found 40% of abortion are for economic reasons, so it is like a eugenics program for poor people, rather than providing better supports for poor people so a pregnancy isn't a financial burden, these unborn lives are the future of every nation on Earth.
    36% for timing reasons - maybe better legislation and supports if a woman is in university or a job so timing is less of a problem.
    31% because a partner pushed for an abortion - where is the compassion there for the living woman?

    All women are offered is a lack of supports which the Yes side are silent on and the only thing the Yes side are offering is the option to terminate the life of their unborn as a solution - dressed up as compassion and healthcare, while women who continue their pregnancy are not given enough supports which is what the state should be using the money they are spending on this referendum for.


  • #3343
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    Like most people I gather she probably didn't announce at conception, instead announced after first trimester had lapsed that very concept shows that majority of people are not confident that a foetus = certain healthy baby

    We have a pregnant woman in work, who has just announced the news.

    Her words were "Now we're passed the 12 week mark - we can announce we're expecting!"

    It's there for a reason.


  • #3344
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    patrickSTARR wrote: »
    Again that is what you believe and what others don't.

    I believe it kills a life.

    While repealing the 8th isn't a black and white issue, and the yes vote has its merits, I believe the lesser of two evils is to vote no.

    Do facts matter?


  • #3345
    patrickSTARR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭patrickSTARR


    January wrote: »
    If that's the case why isn't it classed as murder?

    (I'll give you a hint, it's because it's not killing a life)

    It should be. Its wrong.


  • #3346
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    patrickSTARR wrote: »
    Again that is what you believe and what others don't.

    I believe it kills a life.

    While repealing the 8th isn't a black and white issue, and the yes vote has its merits, I believe the lesser of two evils is to vote no.

    That's EXACTLY it.
    Voting No means I have to live my life according you your morals, even though I disagree with them.
    A Yes vote ensures everyone can make their own choice and one opinion isn't forced on society.

    You just unintentionally proved the point of the Yes campaign. Your feelings on the matter are not more valid or more important than mine.
    They are equal.
    Therefore I should not have to live my life according to your morals and principles.


  • #3347
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    patrickSTARR wrote: »
    Again that is what you believe and what others don't.

    I believe it kills a life.

    While repealing the 8th isn't a black and white issue, and the yes vote has its merits, I believe the lesser of two evils is to vote no.
    Are you a vegetarian? Do you demonstrate and condone the killing of life for food and clothing.


  • #3348
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    patrickSTARR wrote: »
    Again that is what you believe and what others don't.

    I believe it kills a life.

    While repealing the 8th isn't a black and white issue, and the yes vote has its merits, I believe the lesser of two evils is to vote no.

    I believe in ghosts, UFOs, crystal healing and that my dog understands me when I talk to him.

    None are grounds for me to take the rights to healthcare from another.


  • #3349
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Groups calling for a NO vote in the Referendum are holding a 'joint emergency press conference' in Dublin this afternoon following Google's decision to pause #8thref ads.

    They aren't happy at all.


  • #3350
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    It must be awfully tempting seeing all those dollars burning a hole in the accounts of whatever shell company trades as "Save The 8th", rendered mostly impotent by Google and Facebook. It would be a shame if it got embezzled.

    It is interesting that Google banned money from Ireland too...


  • #3351
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    patrickSTARR wrote: »
    Because its a life, just like you.

    The contents of your womb is a life.

    In what way is a pre 12 week old fetus, which has no consciousness, sentience or any other faculty that defines a human, just like me?
    What are the similarities?

    You don't seem to have much to offer the debate besides shouting "Murder!!1!" and "killing babies" every two minutes.


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  • #3352
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Gintonious wrote: »
    They aren't happy at all.

    They should hold a joint - might chill them a bit.

    (Don't do drugs kids)


  • #3353
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is interesting that Google banned money from Ireland too...

    Yes, your side is laundering the cash from the Americans here.


  • #3354
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Gintonious wrote: »
    They aren't happy at all.

    It is Google helping the Yes side since they have done a really bad job online.


  • #3355
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    They should hold a joint - might chill them a bit.

    (Don't do drugs kids)

    The next thing to legalize...


  • #3356
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Yes, your side is laundering the cash from the Americans here.

    Report that to the Gardai if you have evidence.


  • #3357
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Report that to the Gardai if you have evidence.

    Okay.

    Right after you report all those "murders" your side keeps banging on about.


  • #3358
    patrickSTARR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭patrickSTARR


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    That's EXACTLY it.
    Voting No means I have to live my life according you your morals, even though I disagree with them.
    A Yes vote ensures everyone can make their own choice and one opinion isn't forced on society.

    You just unintentionally proved the point of the Yes campaign. Your feelings on the matter are not more valid or more important than mine.
    They are equal.
    Therefore I should not have to live my life according to your morals and principles.
    Lets say you want to murder someone, but I don't want you to.

    But you shouldn't be allowed to murder someone because that person has a right to life.

    Should society allow murder?


  • #3359
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Yes, your side is laundering the cash from the Americans here.

    So why has Amnesty Ireland who are campaigning for Yes, not returned the money to Soros as told to by SIPO?


  • #3360
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is Google helping the Yes side since they have done a really bad job online.

    Google and Facebook are levelling the playing field. But I can see why you're afraid of a fair fight ;).


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  • #3361
    patrickSTARR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭patrickSTARR


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    I believe in ghosts, UFOs, crystal healing and that my dog understands me when I talk to him.

    None are grounds for me to take the rights to healthcare from another.

    But the life inside a pregnant woman is real. That's the difference.


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