Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

godtabh · 08-05-2018 09:39AM

Some bellend on a bike came out of a side road near Belfield. had to mount foot path or i would have t boned him. then in my rush to get off the footpath i cut off a cyclist.

RacoonQueen · 08-05-2018 09:02PM

I accidentally went right through the zebra crossing in Roundwood on Sunday. Didn't even notice the traffic on other side had stopped until I saw two women halfway across. Thankfully they were crossing cautiously anyway and were looking around the stopped traffic to see if anything else was coming saw me and stopped. I came to a stop on it and apologised with a "I'm so sorry that was totally my bad'' they said it was alright but I hotfooted it out of there as I was absolutely mortified

Was sorry after I didn't stop properly on the crossing to apologise...but I was so mortified I just wanted to get out of there. Huge freakin big line of traffic waiting on other side of road to get through crossing. Motorcyclist full on turned to look at me as I passed him.

Occurred to me that I've never really 'noticed' that crossing before, probably because I've never been through it on a busy, sunny Sunday. Could have been a nasty accident if they hadn't seen me!

On another note, my sister knocked down a cyclist this evening as she was turning (left I think) into a petrol station. Told me she did look in her mirror but didn't see her...
Girl went off in an ambulance with her bike snapped in two but is thankfully ok.
Apparently she said ''I was going full pelt with the wind at my back" Funny how shock can make us almost blame ourselves when someone hits us. Did the same myself once.
I got very defensive when she told me that the cyclist 'hit her car' - 'no you pulled across her' - 'ah would you stop, I'm upset enough about it' :pac: Whatevs you should have looked closer.
My sister has a terrible attitude towards cyclists, giving out about them doing nothing wrong. I can't be in a car with her driving (also a terrible driver so..). Hopefully this teaches her a lesson anyway, sadly at the expense of that poor girls cuts and bruises for the next couple of weeks though.

Chiparus · 08-05-2018 09:35PM

from the other day.

08-05-2018 10:06PM

Car gets bonus numpty points for blocking both the path and bike lane there.

RacoonQueen · 08-05-2018 10:26PM

And he beeps for the first time just as you were passing the car. Where did he expect you to go?

sy_flembeck · 08-05-2018 10:32PM

Chiparus wrote: »

from the other day.

Looks very much to like he actually sped up so as to 'make a point'.

On the plus side, and I don't know if it was the weather or the 1.5 MPDL news coverage, but the amount of space, courtesy, consideration and patience I was shown by other road users all weekend was staggering.

RacoonQueen · 08-05-2018 11:01PM

Weepsie wrote: »

Your sister may learn it the expense of a hefty medical bill and insurance claim

Yep. Think she knows that too and she'll be well aware of that as I claimed from one driver back in 2012. Expensive lesson and hopefully not one that puts her off the road if insurance goes up too much...3 kids and all that...but, being honest, I will have no sympathy if it does given previous attitude I've seen from her. Dent in the side of her car too and with frame snapped she and cyclist sound extremely lucky it wasn't significantly more serious.

Rechuchote · 08-05-2018 11:05PM

Chiparus wrote: »

from the other day.

Poor man left his brain at home; easy to forget things when you're rushing out the door…

magicbastarder · 09-05-2018 08:09AM

outbound on the frascati road this morning, approaching the junction with seapoint avenue (it's a left turn for seapoint) - i go straight on here. anyway, three cars in front indicate left, so i slow a little to give space, and glance over my right shoulder. white van coming up from behind, and he's got his indicator on too. but he's seen me, yeah? bright orange top, flashing red light, and it's broad daylight. anyway, within a couple of seconds he's alongside me, pulling across the cycle lane.
fortunately, we'd both had to slow down because of the traffic in front, so i simply raised my hand and rapped on the passenger window and gave him that typical 'what in ****ting crikey are you up to?' look, and he exasperatedly gestured at me to pass on.

amcalester · 09-05-2018 08:45AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

outbound on the frascati road this morning, approaching the junction with seapoint avenue (it's a left turn for seapoint) - i go straight on here. anyway, three cars in front indicate left, so i slow a little to give space, and glance over my right shoulder. white van coming up from behind, and he's got his indicator on too. but he's seen me, yeah? bright orange top, flashing red light, and it's broad daylight. anyway, within a couple of seconds he's alongside me, pulling across the cycle lane.
fortunately, we'd both had to slow down because of the traffic in front, so i simply raised my hand and rapped on the passenger window and gave him that typical 'what in ****ting crikey are you up to?' look, and he exasperatedly gestured at me to pass on.

I live a bit further out that road and regularly see motorists left hook cyclists there and at Monkstown Road just before The Butlers Pantry.

Lovely cycle lanes but they seem to confuse motorists as to who is going where (giving motorists the benefit of the doubt here).

magicbastarder · 09-05-2018 09:04AM

well, the one at the butlers pantry is a combined cyclist/pedestrian crossing, which i don't use - i usually swing out into the road and use the proper car lane. i'm outbound before 7:30am so there's usually not much traffic.

Dr_Colossus · 09-05-2018 09:51AM

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

Witnessed a close pass/clip this morning shortly after exiting the Phoenix Park. Just after the Infirmary Road junction a white Hyundai bull dozed through dangerously close to the cyclist 50m in front. So close in fact he hit him with his wing mirror which folded inwards, cyclist did well to stay upright. Driver continued on up the keys and only had a partial reg so thought I'd get the rest if caught in traffic. Sure enough he was a few hundred meters further up trying to turn right over the first bridge. I stopped on the left to note the reg and driver left the filter lane to transverse two lanes of traffic to have a go at me. Aggressive driver with no remorse and traffic was light so early in the morning so no need for such dangerous driving.

Incident reported now anyway whatever may come of it.

Never heard anything on this since.

This morning at the first roundabout on the Castleknock end of the Phoenix Park I was coming from the south taking the 3rd exit onto Chesterfield Avenue. Always a disaster junction with drivers not yielding but today was worse, in center of the road already having passed the first exit driver entered with speed. I let a roar at him in case he hadn’t already seen the strong front light, high vis etc and he jammed on coming to a stop near where I had already stopped. I cycled on taking an obvious look back at the reg and he floored it to side swipe me driving over the roundabout. He slowed down further up shouting abuse and veering into the hard shoulder where I was cycling.

As it transpires it’s the same reg and driver as above incident so second encounter reported now also. Hope the cyclist he hit a couple of weeks ago reported it also. A menace on the road and appears to have an obvious problem with cyclists.

RacoonQueen · 09-05-2018 10:55AM

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

As it transpires it’s the same reg and driver as above incident so second encounter reported now also. Hope the cyclist he hit a couple of weeks ago reported it also. A menace on the road and appears to have an obvious problem with cyclists.

Sounds like he has a problem full stop. Someone like that has no right to be on the road. Hopefully something comes of your second report.

_Puma_ · 09-05-2018 11:18AM

Had my closest punishment pass on Monday for my 2 years on the road. Early morning solo, 2 lane road, no hard shoulders, clear road ahead and behind with a clear line of sight. Can hear car coming up behind and he zips past by with what was no doubt cm's. They never crossed the middle line or altered their speed. Only had time to catch it was an Audi A4/6 he was going so fast didn't catch the number plate. Had to pull in up the road as I thought I was a goner.

Road is extremely popular with cyclists, there has been rumblings in the local rags/politicians this year and I've no doubt it is leading to incidents like this. Thanks for the heads up on the Cycling Bargin alerts, have ordered a Fly6 camera. I'll be more prepared when running into this individual again.

mr spuckler · 09-05-2018 11:47AM

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

Never heard anything on this since.

FYI it took about 2 months for me to get a call from a Garda after reporting an incident with Trafficwatch, it's not a quick process.

well done for reporting though, sounds like awful behaviour from the motorist.

irlirishkev · 09-05-2018 12:08PM

Walking through Citywest this morning, a cyclist on the far side of the road approaches a roundabout here. A pretty large lorry decides to floor it and overtake, right at the pinch point, where the silver car is. I actually thought for a second the cyclist was a gonner as he disappeared behind the lorry.

Thankfully, as the lorry continued on the roundabout, the cyclist had come to a complete halt and was leaning toward the grass.

The mind boggles, it really does :mad:

RacoonQueen · 09-05-2018 01:41PM

I was running on Kilgobbin Road yesterday evening, teenage boy cycling along towards Stepaside. The amount of cars who overtook (solid white line) giving him no space whatsoever really, really scary. The kid couldn't have been anymore than 16...I mean I could clearly see him from where I was running and could see him well into the distance as car after car after car continued to overtake dangerously most of them barely crossed the solid white line. It gets to a pinch point up towards Stepaside too so god knows how he navigated that safely. Some of the cars were still waiting at the traffic lights when I got there too. Considering how much longer it takes me to run that than them to drive it, shows how pointless their overtake was.

Pinch Flat · 10-05-2018 12:17AM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I was running on Kilgobbin Road yesterday evening, teenage boy cycling along towards Stepaside. The amount of cars who overtook (solid white line) giving him no space whatsoever really, really scary. The kid couldn't have been anymore than 16...I mean I could clearly see him from where I was running and could see him well into the distance as car after car after car continued to overtake dangerously most of them barely crossed the solid white line. It gets to a pinch point up towards Stepaside too so god knows how he navigated that safely. Some of the cars were still waiting at the traffic lights when I got there too. Considering how much longer it takes me to run that than them to drive it, shows how pointless their overtake was.

See this every morning when I cycle down the Carpenterstown Road. The odd kid who does cycle along it is subject to aggressive tailgating, crazy and irresponsible overtaking. Usually by motorists who insist on ferrying their own kids to the same school by car.

Have to say I’ve zero problem with kids on bikes using the footpaths around my area.

Rechuchote · 10-05-2018 09:15AM

It's very surprising that there is no campaign by cyclists to change the charges against people who kill or severely injure people while driving.

Due to the kind of charge available to the Gardaí at the moment (and of course the fact that individual gardaí and people in the DPP office may be pro-motorist), these crashes disproportionally end with a suspended sentence.

An online search will quickly confirm how common suspended sentences are.

Why are cyclists not campaigning for a "Driving causing death" and a "Driving causing serious injury" charge that would carry a mandatory lifetime ban from driving (unless the crash was clearly and positively not in any way the driver's fault)?

Ditto road rage.

mr spuckler · 10-05-2018 12:15PM

I passed by this earlier, a few mins after it happened.

the third car didn't end up on the footpath as described, it ended up on the cycle lane and was blocking it as I passed. hopefully no one was cycling there as it happened.

it looked like one of those crashes where you wonder how on earth people get themselves into the situation where the crash occurs. there was a car way over on the wrong side of the road which had collided with the truck, on a stretch where it's dual carriageway in both directions

AndrewJRenko · 11-05-2018 07:24AM

Rechuchote wrote: »

It's very surprising that there is no campaign by cyclists to change the charges against people who kill or severely injure people while driving.

Due to the kind of charge available to the Gardaí at the moment (and of course the fact that individual gardaí and people in the DPP office may be pro-motorist), these crashes disproportionally end with a suspended sentence.

An online search will quickly confirm how common suspended sentences are.

Why are cyclists not campaigning for a "Driving causing death" and a "Driving causing serious injury" charge that would carry a mandatory lifetime ban from driving (unless the crash was clearly and positively not in any way the driver's fault)?

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Ray Bloody Purchase · 11-05-2018 08:57AM

Dublin Bus nearly took me out of it after Harolds Cross coming out of town. I was in the left lane, looking back and indicating right to go towards Kimmage. Dublin Bus comes flying up on the lane outside me and barges into my lane. I had to swerve into the footpath. If i didn't swerve i would have ended up underneath it.

I hate that spot along there.

QueenMTBee · 11-05-2018 10:59AM

Not quite a near miss but a taxi slowed down to cut across and force me to a stop against the kerb so he could tell me that I should be on the cycle lane (one of those ones that is only about 10m long) because that stretch of road is very dangerous. I was so pissed off I just gave him the finger which I'm not very proud of and then spent the rest of the spin thinking of all the smart replies I should have given him.

axer · 11-05-2018 11:03AM

P_1 wrote: »

Interestingly I've noticed a garda at College Green who is insistent on directing you up that cycle lane by the BOI no matter which direction you want to go.

So I had this Garda this morning that you were talking about on College Street by the Trinity Luas stop asking cyclists to take the cycle track.

While I stopped behind a bus he looked at me and pointed at the cycle track. I looked back at him and pointed to the road straight on. We both danced like this about 5/6 times until the lights went green and the buses started moving. He then called me over as I was passing him and said for me to use the cycle track. I told him I was going to use the road and asked him what law was I breaking and informed him I'm fully legally entitled to use the road. He said he knows that and he was just saying it for safety reasons. I pointed out how I was using the road safely and had all the magic gear such as hi-vis and lights during the day to keep me safe plus good road positioning - middle of the lane etc. He suggested I didn't want to use the bike track because it would take longer so I had to explain to him why it was safer for me to stay on the road (e.g. how stupidly confusing the bike track layout is and people on the wrong side etc). He accepted what I said but I could see he didn't know how to back out of the conversation as he was clearly wrong. I was tempted to re-enforce how wrong he was to pull me aside as if I had done wrong (all the buses probably thought I was being given out to for breaking the law) and how he can suggest and point to the cycle track but should have stopped once I indicated I was staying on the road but it would have looked like the typical cyclist angry at poor Garda just trying to help. Instead I told him I appreciate where he is coming from (what he thinks is a road safety point of view) but that it is safer for me to stay on the road, which he accepted again, and left it at that. I don't know if he will keep doing it but if he pulls me aside again i'll be making a complaint.

Rechuchote · 11-05-2018 11:17AM

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

Dublin Bus nearly took me out of it after Harolds Cross coming out of town. I was in the left lane, looking back and indicating right to go towards Kimmage. Dublin Bus comes flying up on the lane outside me and barges into my lane. I had to swerve into the footpath. If i didn't swerve i would have ended up underneath it.

I hate that spot along there.

I was going into town along there the other day and counted thirty (30!) cars in the bus lane, before and after Emmet Bridge. Also taxis and buses, of course.

There was a plan related to the Greater Dublin Area Cycle Network to break cyclists out at Greenmount Avenue and shoot a cycle bridge across to the back of Griffith College here

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3262221,-6.2789699,332a,35y,39.36t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

(and presumably bring the cyclists through the Tenters along a safer and less trafficky route) but it seems to have been abandoned, stupidly. It would be a great cycle route.

Ray Bloody Purchase · 11-05-2018 11:43AM

QueenMTBee wrote: »

Not quite a near miss but a taxi slowed down to cut across and force me to a stop against the kerb so he could tell me that I should be on the cycle lane (one of those ones that is only about 10m long) because that stretch of road is very dangerous. I was so pissed off I just gave him the finger which I'm not very proud of and then spent the rest of the spin thinking of all the smart replies I should have given him.

The amount of times i've delivered the ultimate burn (in my head) after some flute has driven off is countless.

Rechuchote wrote: »

I was going into town along there the other day and counted thirty (30!) cars in the bus lane, before and after Emmet Bridge. Also taxis and buses, of course.

There was a plan related to the Greater Dublin Area Cycle Network to break cyclists out at Greenmount Avenue and shoot a cycle bridge across to the back of Griffith College here

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3262221,-6.2789699,332a,35y,39.36t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

(and presumably bring the cyclists through the Tenters along a safer and less trafficky route) but it seems to have been abandoned, stupidly. It would be a great cycle route.

Same this morning. It was clogged all the way back with cars sticking as close to the kerb as possible.

VW 1 · 11-05-2018 11:56AM

Not a near miss, but I was travelling south on Leeson Street this morning and stopped at the lights at the junction of Hatch Street. Light goes green for traffic to proceed on Leeson Street, and busses can't go and miss the light as a Garda Road Policing Unit is blocking the way having pulled into the middle of the junction as the light turned from amber to red. If they cant obey the lights, what hope have we with other traffic.

ConnyMcDavid · 11-05-2018 04:24PM

Not a near miss but coming out of UCD across from RTE. Stopped at red light to junction with stilloan dual carriageway.

One car ahead of me wheels tight to the left kerb so expected them heading straight. I stopped behind them but to the right of the lane so as oncoming cars turning right can see there is a cyclist oncoming behind this car.

After a couple of minutes of waiting all while we are making eye contact when the lights go green she turns right without indicating at any stage.

papu · 11-05-2018 06:16PM

Cyclist left hooked by a go-car driver just at the bottom of Rathmines heading away from the city, he was a bit shaken but seemed OK, driver very apologetic.

Rechuchote · 11-05-2018 06:45PM

ConnyMcDavid wrote: »

Not a near miss but coming out of UCD across from RTE. Stopped at red light to junction with stilloan dual carriageway.

One car ahead of me wheels tight to the left kerb so expected them heading straight. I stopped behind them but to the right of the lane so as oncoming cars turning right can see there is a cyclist oncoming behind this car.

After a couple of minutes of waiting all while we are making eye contact when the lights go green she turns right without indicating at any stage.

That's where Harry Boland was killed; a deadly junction that needs a redesign.

papu wrote: »

Cyclist left hooked by a go-car driver just at the bottom of Rathmines heading away from the city, he was a bit shaken but seemed OK, driver very apologetic.

Another horrible junction, and the drivers are concentrating on the curve ahead, and often going too fast.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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