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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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  • #2703
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    there are more than enough people willing to adopt. Up until last year the legal obstacles made it nearly impossible. It is why out of country adoptions are so popular here. Even for these it is a long and tortuous road but there are many willing to take it.

    How many? What’s your source?


  • #2704
    Ally Dick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,754 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    Great to see graphic posters in Pontius Pilate Harris's constituency. I wish they were everywhere. Might bring people to their senses


  • #2705
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Put your nickers on there , I'm only asking the question , this tread is full of people ready to pounce on anyone with a different view, I'm only asking a question so chill .,

    you didnt ask a question.  you made a statement.  this one.
    the assault is always there but there has been also the attempted murder charge for the infant they are pregnant with


    Can i presume you just made that up and hoped nobody would call you out on it?
    You know what its people like yourself that are doing the VOTE YES side a disservice,
    There has been plenty of people on here who have already stated they will be voting no as some yes voteres seem to be jumping on everyone pushing there agenda in peoples faces ,Here we have another example ,
    I asked a question , I got an answer from someone nice person


  • #2706
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Exactly what I said not long back, I have a nephew with autism.

    I love him dearly but what his mum goes through I could not cope with.

    Some people should take a step in other's shoes before commenting.

    You're a good sister.

    As someone with high functioning asperger's (now sometimes referenced as Autism Spectrum Disorder), I completely agree with this post.

    Disability (and mine is pretty mild except for social interactions and emotional regulation) is not "a blessing", it's a curse.

    I would not wish an autistic child, or a downs child, or any other form of disabled child on anyone. Even if watching programs about non-verbal autistic children make me cry for what seems like years, as there for the grace of god go i.


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  • #2707
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,384 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    Great to see graphic posters in Pontius Pilate Harris's constituency. I wish they were everywhere. Might bring people to their senses
    Very helpful yeah sure plaster the place with graphic posters....lets see how it helps the No side! Sure who cares who it upsets???!
    Love both me arse
    Stay classy!


  • #2708
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    Great to see graphic posters in Pontius Pilate Harris's constituency. I wish they were everywhere. Might bring people to their senses

    They are insensitive and disrespectful and a disgraceful way to try to get attention.
    No consideration for the fact that man might have gone through a miscarriage, stillbirth, or indeed, even an abortion with his wife.
    Disgusting thing to do but I'd expect no less from those cretins.


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  • #2710
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,916 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Overheal wrote: »
    How many? What’s your source?

    http://www.thejournal.ie/adoption-ireland-1538973-Jun2014/

    this article from 2016 says 537 which is pretty close to what i thought it was.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/changes-to-adoption-law-have-shattered-my-hopes-of-becoming-a-parent-1.1716740


  • #2711
    AnneFrank
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    That's because, across all three threads, covering 22,500 posts (and counting) over a period of more than a full year since the first one was made, there have been a grand total TWO posts that simply state "repeal the 8th" with nothing else.

    Both instances:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106872377
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106525866

    If you don't believe me, here are the searches.
    This thread (3rd): https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?thread=2057867317&query=%22repeal+the+8th%22&user=&date_from=&date_to=
    Second thread: https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?thread=2057852825&sort=best&date_to=&date_from=&query=%22repeal+the+8th%22&page=1
    First thread: https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?thread=2057732408&sort=best&date_to=&date_from=&query=%22repeal+the+8th%22&page=1

    AnneFrank by comparison has done this three times in just 22 days, the latest coming less than 24 hours where they were on about how they would have voted to repeal the 8th amendment if not for reasons they refused to expand on beyond a one worded "legislation". When other posters looked to engage that further (see the posts below it) they not only refused to go into any further detail, but instead a few pages on just went back on their agenda of point blank ad hominem, off topic personal attacks on the poster 'ELM327' as ELM mentioned that they votes yes for SSM despite not being very comfortable with homosexuality.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106738386
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106751247
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106935234

    I get that mods don't appreciate when someone says on the thread that a poster is a very clear and obvious troll with no interest in the topic other than trying to offend others for the simple goal of generating some attention towards themselves, so I won't. I'll just end my post here.

    Thanks Billy, so it has been done i knew it had,
    I do wish i had your time to go through it all though.
    Thanks buddy much appreciated


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  • #2712
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Thanks Billy, so it has been done i knew it had,
    I do wish i had your time to go through it all though.
    Thanks buddy much appreciated
    Any comment on the rest of that post, BUDDY?


  • #2713
    ASISEEIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭ASISEEIT


    I cant find the post but someone posted about adoption. That some women condemned for giving up a child or aborting it but I really dont think that is the case? Is it? There is now open adoption where you have the right to keep contact with your child or change your mind

    As for posters being graphic-Im all for them ,as a lot of Yes voters have no real idea of the procedures. However, I would not place them near schools or outside Simon Harris' office. I would not vote for him as he is a useless TD and Minister. Nothing to do with his position on abortion.


  • #2714
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭optogirl


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    Great to see graphic posters in Pontius Pilate Harris's constituency. I wish they were everywhere. Might bring people to their senses

    Yes let's hope the children walking to school this morning - some of whom have no doubt lost siblings or will lose siblings to problems in pregnancy & ffas 'come to their senses' now. Rotten post, rotten posters, rotten campaign.


  • #2715
    Billy86
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    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    Cheers, I've found on boards that the search function tends to be the enemy of those spouting bullsh** and changing their position every few posts in their pathetic efforts to look for the attention one can only assume they must not be getting in their everyday lives.


  • #2716
    Dressing gown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Dressing gown


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    Great to see graphic posters in Pontius Pilate Harris's constituency. I wish they were everywhere. Might bring people to their senses

    Thankfully I haven’t seen the pictures and I’m even more thankful my kids havent. However, if the yes side plastered pictures of the scene of a childbirth it might put a few people off having kids. There’s plenty of blood and gore there too. But it would be completely inappropriate to do so. I’m fairly confident you are just a troll looking for attention. I know plenty of no voters with kids that think those posters (and even the ones of babies) are completely inappropriate and are counterproductive to the debate.


  • #2717
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭optogirl


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    I cant find the post but someone posted about adoption. That some women condemned for giving up a child or aborting it but I really dont think that is the case? Is it? There is now open adoption where you have the right to keep contact with your child or change your mind

    As for posters being graphic-Im all for them ,as a lot of Yes voters have no real idea of the procedures. However, I would not place them near schools or outside Simon Harris' office. I would not vote for him as he is a useless TD and Minister. Nothing to do with his position on abortion.

    There is not a form of adoption where you can 'change your mind'


  • #2718
    PlaneSpeeking
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    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    I cant find the post but someone posted about adoption. That some women condemned for giving up a child or aborting it but I really dont think that is the case? Is it? There is now open adoption where you have the right to keep contact with your child or change your mind

    As for posters graphic-Im all for them as a lot of Yes voters have no real idea of the procedures. However I would not place them near schools or outside Simon Harris' office. I would not vote for him as he is a useless Td and Minister. Nothing to do with his position on abortion.

    Do you realise that the most used poster that mad "Bioethics" crowd is not in fact an aborted foetus but a foetus of 8 months' gestation whose mother had been killed in a car accident ?

    I wouldn't vote for Simon Harris as I'd have to move to do so and I like my house.


  • #2719
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Philip Boucher Hayes posted this if you click into it there are links to a number of podcasts of ordinary women telling their stories of crisis pregnancy and abortion.
    https://twitter.com/boucherhayes/status/993862254444662785


  • #2720
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    As for posters being graphic-Im all for them ,as a lot of Yes voters have no real idea of the procedures.

    I'm all for them too - nasty, but it is just for the campaign, a few weeks.

    Getting the 8th repealed is for ever, and these posters will certainly help.


  • #2721
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    I cant find the post but someone posted about adoption. That some women condemned for giving up a child or aborting it but I really dont think that is the case? Is it? There is now open adoption where you have the right to keep contact with your child or change your mind

    As for posters being graphic-Im all for them ,as a lot of Yes voters have no real idea of the procedures. However, I would not place them near schools or outside Simon Harris' office. I would not vote for him as he is a useless TD and Minister. Nothing to do with his position on abortion.

    5 infants were adopted in 2016 as per government statistics. There are 6k children in foster care. If you want to force an extra 4k births to happen, you need to find 4k homes for those kids.
    That isn't going to happen, so you'd really be resigning an extra 4k children into the foster care system. That simply isn't good enough and is of no help to a woman who cannot stay pregnant.

    I know exactly what the procedure entails. Two pills and a heavy period.


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  • #2722
    PlaneSpeeking
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    optogirl wrote: »
    There is not a form of adoption where you can 'change your mind'

    Nearest would be an open adoption but I believe they are very much in the minority and you can't change your mind and take the child back legally. Optogirl is spot on.


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  • #2724
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    ASISEEIT wrote: »

    As for posters being graphic-Im all for them ,as a lot of Yes voters have no real idea of the procedures.

    you know that pre 12 weeks an abortion is done by taking 2 tablets right? You take 2 pills and then you essentially have a very heavy period. a lot of yes voters have a period every month so I think they're well familiar with what it might look like.

    I bet if the yes side were to put up images of that poor dead woman kept alive artificially to incubate her baby the no side would have them written off as the scum of the earth


  • #2725
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Do you realise that the most used poster that mad "Bioethics" crowd is not in fact an aborted foetus but a foetus of 8 months' gestation whose mother had been killed in a car accident ?

    The posters are disgusting but somehow it seems more disgusting when someone lies in this way to you directly or personally.

    For example on another Irish Forum just a few days ago someone posted a picture there too of what they claimed was "this is an aborted baby". (As usual, graphic image content warning).

    This was an outright lie for two reasons. The second more disgusting than the first.

    The first is that the fetus was 19 weeks developed which is not representative at all of the majority of abortions or the proposed scenario for Ireland.

    The second however was that the pictures were lifted from a news paper article of a still birth where the devastated expectant mother wanted pictures to "open up discussion about pre-term labor and miscarriage which affect more than 1 million women in America each year

    But that did not stop this disgusting "no" voter from commandeering and abusing those photos to serve an agenda. Imagine what it takes for a person to go to the images created by a devastated woman who wanted those images to be used to open up discussion on real genuine suffering in the world.......... and use those pictures to lie and serve an agenda that poor woman NEVER intended them to be used for.

    To say this debate has brought out the worst mankind has to offer is an understatement.


  • #2726
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    The posters are disgusting but somehow it seems more disgusting when someone lies in this way to you directly or personally.

    For example on another Irish Forum just a few days ago someone posted a picture there too of what they claimed was "this is an aborted baby".

    This was an outright lie for two reasons. The second more disgusting than the first.

    The first is that the fetus was 19 weeks developed which is not representative at all of the majority of abortions or the proposed scenario for Ireland.

    The second however was that the pictures were lifted from a news paper article of a still birth where the devastated expectant mother wanted pictures to "open up discussion about pre-term labor and miscarriage which affect more than 1 million women in America each year

    But that did not stop this disgusting "no" voter from commandeering and abusing those photos to serve an agenda. Imagine what it takes for a person to go to the images created by a devastated woman who wanted those images to be used to open up discussion on real genuine suffering in the world.......... and use those pictures to lie and serve an agenda that poor woman NEVER intended them to be used for.

    To say this debate has brought out the worst mankind has to offer is an understatement.

    Lot of idiots on that board.
    Woudln't bother posting there tbh.


  • #2727
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Lot of idiots on that board.
    Woudln't bother posting there tbh.

    Indeed. I was personally asked to though and I find it hard to say no :)


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  • #2729
    Ally Dick
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    optogirl wrote: »
    Yes let's hope the children walking to school this morning - some of whom have no doubt lost siblings or will lose siblings to problems in pregnancy & ffas 'come to their senses' now. Rotten post, rotten posters, rotten campaign.

    Might save a few of those same children's siblings from being killed as well, so it's worthwhile


  • #2730
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    Might save a few of those same children's siblings from being killed as well

    by their own parents?

    This is what you think of your neighbours, your friends, the other parents at your kids sports team, that they are all potential murderers.

    Or could it be that you are the one with the problem? That you have the wrong end of the stick altogether on the whole issue?


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  • #2731
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    Might save a few of those same children's siblings from being killed as well, so it's worthwhile

    it might make some realise how desperate, disgusting and shameless the no side are too


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