8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

Delirium · 08-05-2018 01:46PM

Facebook won't be accepting foreign ads seeking to influence vote on the 8th.

SOCIAL MEDIA GIANT Facebook has announced that it is banning all ads on its platform related to the upcoming referendum if they are from advertisers based outside of Ireland.

Facebook said that it will not allow any ads coming from foreign sources which are deemed to be “attempting to influence the outcome of the vote on May 25″.

It said that this would relate to paid of advertisements on its platform.

“We do not intend to block campaigns and advocacy organisations in Ireland from using service providers outside of Ireland,” the company said in a statement on its website.

The ban from Facebook comes following concerns that unknown actors from outside of the state could buy ads to influence Irish voters ahead of the historic referendum.

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PlaneSpeeking · 08-05-2018 01:47PM

Delirium wrote: »

Facebook won't be accepting foreign ads seeking to influence vote on the 8th.

Source

Can we now extradite that South African (I think) pox from the Bioethics crowd ???

Dreadful person he is so!

Larbre34 · 08-05-2018 01:49PM

Indo has story of posters in Wicklow which are basically a Simon Harris election poster with an aborted foetus photoshopped in behind him.

This stuff is beyond depraved and of course done anonymously by poisonous cowards. Lets hope they backfire in the way they ought to.

Larbre34 · 08-05-2018 01:51PM

Delirium wrote: »

Facebook won't be accepting foreign ads seeking to influence vote on the 8th.

Given its track record, lets say 'trying', with a very small t.

They probably overestimate their own influence too.

threescompany · 08-05-2018 01:53PM

January wrote: »

Aborting Down's syndromes what? Seriously your language is disgusting and horrible.

The FACTS (see I can capitalise too) are that it's 90% of pregnancies that are diagnosed with DS that are terminated, not 90% total. The FACT is that DS cannot be diagnosed before 12 weeks and DS does not come under FFA so will not come under the proposed legislation.

Also, your FACTS about Iceland are wrong but that's been debunked so many times in these threads that its laughable at this stage that people are still bringing it up, so I won't even go there.

My sincerest apologies oh great one. I omitted a word. I meant to put in “pregnancies” after Downs Syndrome - should have read as “ aborting Down’s syndrome pregnancies” . Typo. I will endeavor not to repeat the same mistake. I’m now removing myself off this thread. It’s poison. A final few words . DS can be detected as early as 10-13 weeks. Look it up on any health website. Get your facts right whoever said 20 weeks. I don’t think DS people are people with “ odd shaped almond eyes” . Horrible comment.
You guys are the most self righteous online crowd I’ve ever had the misfortune to be communicate with. Also a moderator having a repeal logo???? Hardly very fair moderating?? Wouldn’t expect anything more from this place.
And lastly for the tools that asked why I’m bringing Down’s syndrome into the debate???
1. I was responding to the poster who said it couldn’t possibly be over 90% abortion rate in the UK.
2. I’m well aware DS is a subset of abortion or whatever you were droning on about...... but surely I can discuss this issue. We continually discuss FFA, rape, incest etc. So what’s your problem if I bring up DS? Anyway I’m done with you guys. Put on your repeal sweaters & hope you have a big day celebrating your win. You can all go to the opening of the local abortion clinics with a triumphant smile on those lovely faces !!

AnneFrank · 08-05-2018 01:54PM

Kimbot wrote: »

MOD Anne, please add more to your post, failure to do so will result in a thread ban or worse going forward.

Will do Kimbot, i hope this also go's for the people that simple wrote, repeal the 8th

joe40 · 08-05-2018 01:54PM

The_Brood wrote: »

joe40 wrote: »

If someone let a 1 month baby die, then I think they should go to jail.
Do you think that someone who has an abortion, or a doctor that performs an abortion should go to jail.
If your answer is yes, then we will have to forego any possibility of a further discussion.
If the answer is no then you are also differentiating between a baby and a foetus.

Please explain why a 1 month old baby deserves protection if an unborn baby does not? Explain why in any way shape or form, given that we are ignoring all knowledge of what this baby is developing into, it deserves an ounce more protection than a mouse?

You first. If they are the same then a woman that gets an abortion should go to jail.
Is that your position? simple yes or no
I would guess it isn't, so you are also differentiating between newborn and foetus.

suicide_circus · 08-05-2018 01:55PM

One side dosnt see how forcing women to carry unwanted or unviable pregnancies to term is the hallmark of a civilised society.

The other side dosnt see how slaughtering our young in the womb is the hallmark of a civilised society.

I think the vast majority of people can see some validity in both.

ELM327 · 08-05-2018 01:55PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

Will do Kimbot, i hope this also go's for the people that simple wrote, repeal the 8th

Can't find one post like that, the only spam was yours

At least RobertKK has some verbosity behind his posted diatribes.

ELM327 · 08-05-2018 01:57PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

One side dosnt see how forcing women to carry unwanted or unviable pregnancies to term is the hallmark of a civilised society.

The other side dosnt see how slaughtering our young in the womb is the hallmark of a civilised society.

I think the vast majority of people can see some validity in both.

The majority of people do not see sense in enforced incubation and endangering women's health.

27-34% of people (depending on which poll you believe) see sense in enforced births.

A majority on the other hand see sense in healthcare, bodily autonomy and female rights.

#trustourwomen
#repealthe8th
#Tá

Zubeneschamali · 08-05-2018 01:57PM

threescompany wrote: »

The FACTS are over 90% are aborted

No, I did the sums earlier in this thread (or its predecessor, I forget) and the facts are that 64% of DS pregnancies are aborted in the UK, and the 9/10 poster is a huge lie.

Oh, and Down Syndrome Ireland asked that people with Down Syndrome not be used as a political football in this campaign.

January · 08-05-2018 01:59PM

threescompany wrote: »

My sincerest apologies oh great one. I omitted a word. I meant to put in “pregnancies” after Downs Syndrome - should have read as “ aborting Down’s syndrome pregnancies” . Typo. I will endeavor not to repeat the same mistake. I’m now removing myself off this thread. It’s poison. A final few words . DS can be detected as early as 10-13 weeks. Look it up on any health website. Get your facts right whoever said 20 weeks. I don’t think DS people are people with “ odd shaped almond eyes” . Horrible comment.
You guys are the most self righteous online crowd I’ve ever had the misfortune to be communicate with. Also a moderator having a repeal logo???? Hardly very fair moderating?? Wouldn’t expect anything more from this place.
And lastly for the tools that asked why I’m bringing Down’s syndrome into the debate???
1. I was responding to the poster who said it couldn’t possibly be over 90% abortion rate in the UK.
2. I’m well aware DS is a subset of abortion or whatever you were droning on about...... but surely I can discuss this issue. We continually discuss FFA, rape, incest etc. So what’s your problem if I bring up DS? Anyway I’m done with you guys. Put on your repeal sweaters & hope you have a big day celebrating your win. You can all go to the opening of the local abortion clinics with a triumphant smile on those lovely faces !!

I'm not a moderator in After Hours so what I post here is nothing to do with my moderation elsewhere on the forum. Thanks.

DS cannot be definitively diagnosed before 12 weeks of pregnancy. They may give an indication that the foetus has DS but they cannot say 100% that it has DS. Abortions will not be performed in Ireland for pregnancies with a DS diagnosis because a) it cannot be definitively diagnosed before 12 weeks and b) it won't come under the FFA legislation being proposed for after 12 weeks as it is not an FFA.

Therefore you bringing abortions for a diagnosis of DS up in a thread on repealing the 8th amendment is a red herring.

Mrsmum · 08-05-2018 02:00PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Alright, I'll bite. As I mentioned earlier, my nan died having my mother.

My grandfather and other relatives cared for her from birth.

Not her mother.

Yes, a baby needs SOMEONE to care for it but that can be anywhere, anyone - related or not, male or female.

A FOETUS is solely dependent on the host parent. That's it.

Do you understand now ?

Mother is still legally responsible though isn't she. Like she can't just wash her hands of baby and walk away ?? She can get help but her legal responsibility is absolute as far as I know. Not to mention the social expectation on her, herself to care for her child is just as strong post birth as prebirth.

seamus · 08-05-2018 02:00PM

threescompany wrote: »

So what’s your problem if I bring up DS?

It's irrelevant. If the referendum passes, it still won't be legal to obtain an abortion if the foetus has Down's Syndrome.

Women who wish to do so will still have to travel to the UK. So why are you bringing DS up?

nozzferrahhtoo · 08-05-2018 02:03PM

threescompany wrote: »

I’m now removing myself off this thread. It’s poison.

Why is it poison? Because a few people asked your questions or disagreed with your position? It is YOU calling people "tools" and throwing insult and invective around like confetti. You have no pedestal to admonish the behaviors of others at all, let alone erroneously.

But I do relish another chance to test the tongue in cheek "Nozzferrahhtoos first law of internet forum posting".

threescompany wrote: »

And lastly for the tools that asked why I’m bringing Down’s syndrome into the debate???

Well I am not sure who you are referring to here with your insults but I know it can not be me given that is not what I asked you.

Rather what I DID ask you is why you focus on abortion due to DS being "horrible". Why specifically is it horrible in a way that any other abortion is not? Nothing at all about why you are bringing DS into the debate, but why you focus on it being "horrible" specifically.

seamus · 08-05-2018 02:04PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Mother is still legally responsible though isn't she. Like she can't just wash her hands of baby and walk away ?? She can get help but her legal responsibility is absolute as far as I know. Not to mention the social expectation on her, herself to care for her child is just as strong post birth as prebirth.

You're now shifting the goalposts on that discussion though. Legal and social responsibilities aside, a born child does not require its mother in order to survive.

On your segway, while in the strictest legal sense it may not be possible to abdicate her responsibilities, in practical terms there is nothing to prevent a mother from leaving her child with someone else and moving to Brazil permanently.

ohnonotgmail · 08-05-2018 02:05PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Mother is still legally responsible though isn't she. Like she can't just wash her hands of baby and walk away ?? She can get help but her legal responsibility is absolute as far as I know. Not to mention the social expectation on her, herself to care for her child is just as strong post birth as prebirth.

she can. she can hand the baby to the state and then it is the states responsibility

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ohnonotgmail · 08-05-2018 02:10PM

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Why is it poison? Because a few people asked your questions or disagreed with your position? It is YOU calling people "tools" and throwing insult and invective around like confetti. You have no pedestal to admonish the behaviors of others at all, let alone erroneously.

But I do relish another chance to test the tongue in cheek "Nozzferrahhtoos first law of internet forum posting".

Well I am not sure who you are referring to here with your insults but I know it can not be me given that is not what I asked you.

Rather what I DID ask you is why you focus on abortion due to DS being "horrible". Why specifically is it horrible in a way that any other abortion is not? Nothing at all about why you are bringing DS into the debate, but why you focus on it being "horrible" specifically.

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what is this law? did i miss a meeting?

PlaneSpeeking · 08-05-2018 02:14PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Mother is still legally responsible though isn't she. Like she can't just wash her hands of baby and walk away ?? She can get help but her legal responsibility is absolute as far as I know. Not to mention the social expectation on her, herself to care for her child is just as strong post birth as prebirth.

Google "giving up parental responsibility".

Or even "adoption".

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BabysCoffee · 08-05-2018 02:23PM

iguana wrote: »

OMFG. Has anyone seen what some of the No side have been up to in Simon Harris' constituency, particularly around his constituency office? This is an appalling new low. I feel sick about it. Harris election posters with the image of a miscarried foetus/stillborn baby behind him.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/simon-harris-criticises-disgusting-abortion-posters-using-his-image-1.3487839

(Warning, the images are graphic, so don't scroll too far down the link if you aren't prepared to see them.)

Utterly shameful.

Mrsmum · 08-05-2018 02:24PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Google "giving up parental responsibility".

Or even "adoption".

Adoption. I'm sure I heard numerous times from the pro choice side on here that adoption in Ireland is non existent. Or is that only when used as an argument against someone urging adoption over abortion.

Mrsmum · 08-05-2018 02:26PM

seamus wrote: »

You're now shifting the goalposts on that discussion though. Legal and social responsibilities aside, a born child does not require its mother in order to survive.

On your segway, while in the strictest legal sense it may not be possible to abdicate her responsibilities, in practical terms there is nothing to prevent a mother from leaving her child with someone else and [B]moving to Brazil permanently.

She would have to upset her whole life to do that though, job, partner, move other children etc. Not usually an option.

BabysCoffee · 08-05-2018 02:28PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Adoption. I'm sure I heard numerous times from the pro choice side on here that adoption in Ireland is non existent. Or is that only when used as an argument against someone urging adoption over abortion.

Are you attempting to make an argument for forced pregnancies followed by forced adoptions?
Seriously??!!!

Have you any humanity to you?

B0jangles · 08-05-2018 02:29PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Adoption. I'm sure I heard numerous times from the pro choice side on here that adoption in Ireland is non existent. Or is that only when used as an argument against someone urging adoption over abortion.

Do you now think a born child and a fetus are so much alike that a fetus can be handed over for adoption?

That seems to be the path you are heading down at the moment...

PlaneSpeeking · 08-05-2018 02:31PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Adoption. I'm sure I heard numerous times from the pro choice side on here that adoption in Ireland is non existent. Or is that only when used as an argument against someone urging adoption over abortion.

What are you going on about ?????

I'm not referencing adoption as anything to do with the 8th! Merely to counter your statement that mothers HAVE to take care of the offspring come what may.

Jesus talking to blinkered No voters is like trying to snog a squid - a right pain and just not worth the effort.

ohnonotgmail · 08-05-2018 02:32PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Adoption. I'm sure I heard numerous times from the pro choice side on here that adoption in Ireland is non existent. Or is that only when used as an argument against someone urging adoption over abortion.

It is non-existent. I can count the number of domestic infant adoptions on my fingers.

tigger123 · 08-05-2018 02:35PM

Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but Facebook are going to block paid Referendum ads from outside the country.

inter arma · 08-05-2018 02:35PM

iguana wrote: »

OMFG. Has anyone seen what some of the No side have been up to in Simon Harris' constituency, particularly around his constituency office? This is an appalling new low. I feel sick about it. Harris election posters with the image of a miscarried foetus/stillborn baby behind him.

(Warning, the images are graphic, so don't scroll too far down the link if you aren't prepared to see them.)

In the absence of any coherent argument, that's all the no side can muster- vulgar, simplistic 'shock and awe' posters.

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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