The death of after hours & over moderation

Mountainsandh · 07-05-2018 04:21PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Reported.

Snowflake ! over there ! lynch him !

(hum... or her... or them...)

hatrickpatrick · 07-05-2018 04:24PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Snowflake ! over there ! lynch him !

(hum... or her... or them...)

You address The Demonic Talking Skull by The Demonic Talking Skull's proper title, you little bolloks!

biko · 07-05-2018 04:24PM

Another snowflake rage quits

AH is grand, no better no worse than it ever was.
But every year or so since its inception there is a "AH has gone to the dogs, bohoo" thread

h0neybadger · 07-05-2018 04:28PM

Bring back the Thunderdome :pac:

dr.fuzzenstein · 07-05-2018 04:31PM

biko wrote: »

Another snowflake rage quits

AH is grand, no better no worse than it ever was.
But every year or so since its inception there is a "AH has gone to the dogs, bohoo" thread

Ah yeah, but those threads aren't what they used to be. In my day we had proper "gone to the dogs" threads, it's just triggered snowflakes now.

TheValeyard · 07-05-2018 05:00PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Snowflake ! over there ! lynch him !

(hum... or her... or them...)

I prefer Battletechs 'they'

beefburrito · 07-05-2018 06:19PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

People don't believe in atheism any more. I'm not sure about agnosticism.

That's what I always tried to put forward but only ended up with infractions and red cards....

Yer Da sells Avon · 07-05-2018 06:23PM

beefburrito wrote: »

The Atheism and Agnostism forum is dead due to the ****ty moderation there.

Hardly anyone bothers going in there anymore...

That's because deep down, they know they're going to hell.

beefburrito · 07-05-2018 06:29PM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

That's because deep down, they know they're going to hell.

And they'll be listening to deep house with the rest of us sinners, although I like gospel house too....

Hell's kitchen...

beefburrito · 07-05-2018 07:33PM

Is snowflake a banned word now

Arghus · 07-05-2018 08:28PM

Moderation in After Hours is pretty okay with me, I don't even know who the mods are on the board, which goes to show that it isn't the most draconian of places.

The reason the forum isn't thriving is because people don't use message boards as much as they used to these days. It's as simple as that.

Alf Veedersane · 07-05-2018 09:11PM

beefburrito wrote: »

Is snowflake a banned word now

Should be. It and 'millenial' are lazy.

07-05-2018 09:25PM

I don't find the moderation on AH to be much of a concern. Sure, sometimes posters get banned from a discussion because a mod has their own stake in the discussion, but... the old AH was similar.

Personally, I think many posters are losing their sense of humor, or better yet, so much of what we considered humor is not really acceptable anymore. For myself, I find there's far less use (and understanding) of sarcasm on AH. I'll admit that as I get older (and perhaps more jaded from 'serious' discussions) that my ability to take a joke has slipped quite a bit. I'm much quicker to take a post more seriously, and engage in the discussion rather than taking a moment and having a grin.

There's also this dislike of "passive aggressiveness". Um, wasn't that part of what AH used to be like? People didn't like what you said, they didn't openly insult you, but tore you to ribbons with subtle humor or less subtle but sarcastic comments? Instead now, posters seem to jump at the chance to throw around insults or labels. Racist! Bigot! Feminist! Misogynist (I didn't even know that word until I came back to boards).

Yer Da sells Avon · 07-05-2018 10:24PM

The term 'snowflake' can be useful sometimes. Same goes for 'virtue signaller', 'white knight' and 'SJW'. When someone uses them, you don't need to read their whole post. It just takes a few seconds to scan for those words and come to an immediate and very solid conclusion that you are, in fact, dealing with a cunt.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-05-2018 10:52PM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

The term 'snowflake' can be useful sometimes. Same goes for 'virtue signaller', 'white knight' and 'SJW'. When someone uses them, you don't need to read their whole post. It just takes a few seconds to scan for those words and come to an immediate and very solid conclusion that you are, in fact, dealing with a cunt.

I....ahm....well...yeah....ok

Mountainsandh · 07-05-2018 11:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There's also this dislike of "passive aggressiveness". Um, wasn't that part of what AH used to be like? People didn't like what you said, they didn't openly insult you, but tore you to ribbons with subtle humor or less subtle but sarcastic comments? Instead now, posters seem to jump at the chance to throw around insults or labels. Racist! Bigot! Feminist! Misogynist (I didn't even know that word until I came back to boards).

Yeah there's probably a bit of that alright.

Tigger · 07-05-2018 11:40PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Well, it all depends who you direct the sassy snarky remark at tbh, as lack of consistency is a major issue and some users are held to a higher standard than others.

I'm banned from the '8th thread' where I had my legitimate views labelled as 'baiting' and my description of abortion was said to be too 'crass' to be condoned. Meanwhile, users on the other side of the debate could refer to those they disagreed with as 'evil' and 'sociopaths' and that's all seemingly just fine. One user was called a "despicable person" for his views (clear personal abuse) and not only was it not actioned, but a mod thanked it. Most laughably of all, seen the same mod tell a user that what they posted was a lie and that if they posted it again, they would be banned, but what the user posted was accurate. Never seen a thread so over moderated in 14 years of posting here. It's a divisive subject right now in our country, with maybe a 60/40 split in opinion, and yet that thread in no way reflects it.

The AH ethos is dead for sure. The infracting of the user who made that 'screw loose' joke evidence of it if ever it was needed. Seven or eight years ago, that post would have got post of the day.

Undoubtedly though, there are still and some decent AH mods about (and the odd admin too) who do try to listen to the userbase and that do genuinely care about facilitating fair discussion and debate here that is consistently moderated (where all bar the more extreme of opinions are welcome) but they surely must look around at some of their fellow mods and admin (who are clearly not on the same page or anything close to it) and think why are they bothering.

After hours and indeed boards used to not have an agenda
But now they do
It’s a pity but the forum will die because of it

Tigger · 07-05-2018 11:41PM

I got banned on one boards forum for a post I made on a deferent one

arybvtcw0eolkf · 07-05-2018 11:58PM

Tigger wrote: »

I got banned on one boards forum for a post I made on a deferent one

And people wonder why we'd rather use FB and other social media platform.

I still think boards.ie has some (tiny) value, I even moderated one four different forum here (I was a believer). But I'm fooked if I'll answer to some pleb here ever again and take my serious discussion to other platform, which in my case are mostly martial arts, training and motorcycling.

Anyway as I said earlier, I just avoid going down the hole now and avoid threads on Israel/Palestine, travelers, private/public sector, cycling (in AH), religious and immigration (I know I'm missing a few).

I still like boards.ie, but if it disappeared tonight my biggest concern tomorrow is whether to have two or three poached eggs for breakfast.

Enough ranting.. Moderation on AH is ok atm, but it would only take a small turn on the screw and I'd be out of here like sh*t off a shovel.

I'm one of the rare one's here who don't hide behind my username.. It would be exceptionally easy to find me as I've posted up links to my youtube channel a number of times, plus links to the Judo club (and others) where I regularly train (Portmarnock Judo).. I'm more or less WYSIWYG here, so I'm not answering to some annon 'stupidusername' ever again.

Yer Da sells Avon · 08-05-2018 01:10AM

I got banned from AH for thinking something once. You literally can't even think certain things without being banned nowadays.

What happened was, I was having an argument with another poster and I thought to myself "urgh, this guy's a fucking wankstain". So I called him one. And I got banned. Thought crimes are punishable nowadays. Orwell was right.

jigglypuffstuff · 08-05-2018 01:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not "offended" - I just don't think it's "funny" or "craic" or appropriate for that thread- and many agree with me.

So in your world, there is no line to be drawn in AH in terms of what people post and where- as long at it meets the standard of "craic" as defined by the person who posted it, that's fine- it should be left there and just ignored by posters who don't find it funny?

Man starts thread about unnecessary lines being drawn regards freedom of speech in AH

Oversensitive offended person arrives 4 pages in drawing a said line.....

So even the threads where people want to discuss this near censorship of speech are contaminated with this same nonsense?

I remember there was a time when NSFW videos and threads were present in this forum...I imagine all the snowflakes, PC brigade and SJW'S would literally run into their safe spaces, cover themselves in bubble wrap and not emerge for at least 2 weeks if they even laid eyes on the first post :pac:

This is really becoming a problem...I personally think there needs to be a forum where people are free to discuss at they did in the old AH. Let the marshmallows have this one

Overheal · 08-05-2018 06:42AM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

I got banned from AH for thinking something once. You literally can't even think certain things without being banned nowadays.

What happened was, I was having an argument with another poster and I thought to myself "urgh, this guy's a fucking wankstain". So I called him one. And I got banned. Thought crimes are punishable nowadays. Orwell was right.

Nearly woke up the girlfriend from a burst of laughter

suicide_circus · 08-05-2018 07:11AM

I actually think there has been a very slight improvement lately. Unorthodox opinions permitted and whatnot.

Pugzilla · 08-05-2018 09:01AM

I've been banned here a pile of times for typing my my own opinions that go against the grain. Apparently I'll get a permaban the next time I'm a bold boy.

Most of the mods here have a pile up their arse. They view it as some prestigious role, which is both laughable and pathetic. Internet is about free speech, get off it if you can't tolerate differing opinions.

Reddit is a far superior platform, as the users moderate it themselves via the voting system. Also a lot more variety in terms of topics covered. Only use for boards these days is to get an Irish perspective, even then Reddit has its own Irish subreddits.

looksee · 08-05-2018 09:24AM

Pugzilla wrote: »

I've been banned here a pile of times for typing my my own opinions that go against the grain. Apparently I'll get a permaban the next time I'm a bold boy.

Most of the mods here have a pile up their arse. They view it as some prestigious role, which is both laughable and pathetic. Internet is about free speech, get off it if you can't tolerate differing opinions.

Reddit is a far superior platform, as the users moderate it themselves via the voting system. Also a lot more variety in terms of topics covered. Only use for boards these days is to get an Irish perspective, even then Reddit has its own Irish subreddits.

So what would be the advantage of Boards re-launching as Reddit-lite (or -heavy or -just the same)? Is that what you are suggesting? How would you make it different enough to have a usp?

Trigger Happy · 08-05-2018 09:35AM

Things are a lot better here of late.
There was a time when you would get pulled on the 'where are you now' thread if you did not specifically state where you actually were. You would get threatened with a ban on the trivial annoyance thread if you did not specifically post an annoyance. Threads were not allowed to wander as the conversation flowed. The famous 'safe' thread was closed mid flow as a mod did not believe the OP. Then when re-opened all discussion of the mod action was banned.
Acting like a dick was strictly banned but that rule did not seem applicable to mods - a lot of whom acted like dicks IMO.
It felt that the moderation ethos was to ban/infract/close thread first and ask questions later. It felt like there was a mod culture designed to close down anything that did not fit their view of what AH should be.
Moderation at that level went on here for years and many potential great posters have bailed out as a result.
Nazi moderation sucks. Things are a lot lot better now, fair play to the current batch of mods. But the damage has been done.

super_furry · 08-05-2018 09:39AM

looksee wrote: »

So what would be the advantage of Boards re-launching as Reddit-lite (or -heavy or -just the same)? Is that what you are suggesting? How would you make it different enough to have a usp?

Couldn’t be done. r/Ireland on reddit is already what After Hours was a few years back in terms of craic and because it’s self policing the obvious agenda pushers get down voted into oblivion. Trying to replicate that here would be seen as a tired ripoff.

Pugzilla · 08-05-2018 09:40AM

This forum has been slowly dying for a longtime , its format is very dated. Hasn't modernised or innovated at all.

gozunda · 08-05-2018 09:48AM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

I got banned from AH for thinking something once. You literally can't even think certain things without being banned nowadays.

What happened was, I was having an argument with another poster and I thought to myself "urgh, this guy's a fucking wankstain". So I called him one. And I got banned. Thought crimes are punishable nowadays. Orwell was right.

Its the passive aggressive wankstaibs that tend to get away with a lot of ****e here imo. Report it and nothing happens. Call them out and wham it goes nuclear ....

Ubbquittious · 08-05-2018 09:49AM

I would imagine the underlying reason for the fussy moderation is an abundance of caution based on what the legal team has to say.

An Irish company with servers in Ireland has too much to lose if the wrong kind of posts are made and someone decides to drum up a fuss to the guards. Any trouble could drag down adverts and daft as well so they have become extremely risk averse.

The right job would be to sell off boards to some lad who moved to Thailand or Australia and move the hosting to some pariah state so any lad wanting to sue boards will be facing a steep uphill battle.

The death of after hours & over moderation

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