8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

RobertKK · 07-05-2018 04:55PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I'm assuming on www.spuc.org.uk ?

I don't know, I didn't look there.

amcalester · 07-05-2018 04:56PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Most abortions are not healthcare.

Why because you don’t agree with the reasons?

Still carried out under supervision of a medical practitioner (or it would be if it wasn’t driven underground) ergo it is healthcare.

robarmstrong · 07-05-2018 04:57PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't know, I didn't look there.

Still awaiting your factual and statistical evidence that 97% of abortions on mental health grounds are actually lifestyle/career related.

What's wrong, why can't you provide the figures?

RobertKK · 07-05-2018 04:57PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Doesn't hurt at all Bob, it's my duty to pick apart all the lies you tell.

I haven't failed with my evidence at all, yet you've seemed to failed to produce ANY evidence to support your fantastical claims.

Women have had enough of your misogyny, could you keep that to yourself instead of projecting it onto them for seeking an abortion?

It is not your duty to tell lies that I lie because I support the side you disagree with.

Who appointed you to make it your duty?
I made no fantastical claims.

So all the women who support No are misogynists too?
Your arguments are so weak.

07-05-2018 04:59PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It does hurt, or you wouldn't feel the need to constantly question, and try and put me down by saying I don't respect women, lie, whinge etc.

Just keep your negativity to yourself please, I had enough of it. You failed to convince with your 'evidence'.

Robert you've been called on posting BS plenty of times here and in previous threads and been mod warned on it.
You ignore people questioning you and fail to provide evidence to back up claims.
You literally are one of the many faceted faces of retain, so you aren't really ever going to have your mind changed because you really have a problem with women from I've read on these threads and others you've contributed with and your happy to see them suffer.

Timberrrrrrrr · 07-05-2018 05:00PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Calm down there love.
XOXO

Touche:pac:

robarmstrong · 07-05-2018 05:00PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is not your duty to tell lies that I lie because I support the side you disagree with.

Who appointed you to make it your duty?
I made no fantastical claims.

So all the women who support No are misogynists too?
Your arguments are so weak.

I made it my duty, people deserve the truth, not what you opine but pass off as the truth.

You made a lot of fantastical claims.

Nope, they aren't, but you are by what you've said previously about women.

07-05-2018 05:02PM

Moiratat wrote: »

But what would have done if you were me?

Robert, any chance you might answer the question above?

RobertKK · 07-05-2018 05:03PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

97% of abortions in the UK are on mental health grounds, this is fact.

Are you of the opinion that these are done for career/lifestyle choice, or do you have any statistics to back up your claims?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/24/politics.topstories3

Lord Steel, architect of the 1967 Abortion Act, says today that abortion is being used as a form of contraception in Britain and admits he never anticipated "anything like" the current number of terminations when leading the campaign for reform.
The Liberal Democrat peer, whose bill legalising abortion in certain circumstances marks its 40th anniversary on Saturday, says an "irresponsible" mood has emerged in which women feel they can turn to abortion "if things go wrong".

"Everybody can agree that there are too many abortions," he says in an interview in today's Guardian, calling for better sex education and access to contraceptive advice and a debate over sexual morality to help bring the numbers down.

The mental grounds is used as an excuse rather than it actually being mental health grounds in most cases. Everyone knows that, but the genie is out of the bottle...

January · 07-05-2018 05:04PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I am not misleading anyone. I am just a No voter, which automatically makes me wrong in your eyes.

No, it makes you wrong because you keep posting lies about what the proposed legislation entails.

robarmstrong · 07-05-2018 05:07PM

RobertKK wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/24/politics.topstories3

The mental grounds is used as an excuse rather than it actually being mental health grounds in most cases. Everyone knows that, but the genie is out of the bottle...

So you've no factual evidence other than pro-life individuals opinions regarding the mental health grounds.

Have you any statistics estimating how many of the 97% of mental health ground abortions are due to a career or lifestyle choice? You did say most of them are, is that your opinion or is it a solid fact?

FingerDeKat · 07-05-2018 05:09PM

Moiratat wrote: »

If you were me, what would you have done?

You gonna answer this Robert??

pitifulgod · 07-05-2018 05:09PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is not your duty to tell lies that I lie because I support the side you disagree with.

Who appointed you to make it your duty?
I made no fantastical claims.

So all the women who support No are misogynists too?
Your arguments are so weak.

You've posted misleading stories a fair few times since the first thread, you rarely address points when you're proven wrong. Just seem to disappear. Only a few days ago, you posted a tweet of a man paid to remove no posters. Most likely a council worker though... Then you had that story about illegal abortions in the UK but intentionally omitted the reasons for the abortions. You do this a few times a week. But actual faults from the repeal campaign, you struggle to highlight any.

PlaneSpeeking · 07-05-2018 05:10PM

RobertKK wrote: »

amcalester wrote: »

This pretty much sums up your attitude.

Smacks of “I’m all right jack”

Unfortunately she can’t ignore you because you have a say in her healthcare.

Your willful ignorance to this is astounding, but other people’s pain and suffering is ok.

Most abortions are not healthcare.

No but non-pregnant women are denieeed healthcare. Why will you not see that ?

07-05-2018 05:10PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

So you've no factual evidence other than pro-life individuals opinions regarding the mental health grounds.

Have you any statistics estimating how many of the 97% of mental health ground abortions are due to a career or lifestyle choice? You did say most of them are, is that your opinion or is it a solid fact?

Starting to sound very like his facts about the Miss P case.

RobertKK · 07-05-2018 05:15PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

Robert, any chance you might answer the question above?

My first concern is they are falling a lot and as I said before the person isn't healthy, as she said she could fall in traffic under a vehicle. Have they looked for a wheelchair or something to help with safety, I don't know if it is related to the pregnancy, or if there is pain there when not pregnant, but we see in the referendum debate that doctors differ, the repeal doctors come across as more conservative with treatment as they talk about being restricted unlike retain doctors, maybe a different doctor for a different perspective?

RobertKK · 07-05-2018 05:17PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Starting to sound very like his facts about the Miss P case.

There you go again...

Bringing up something I can't reply to, but using Miss P again, when you know I can't respond.

robarmstrong · 07-05-2018 05:19PM

RobertKK wrote: »

There you go again...

Bringing up something I can't reply to, but using Miss P again, when you know I can't respond.

Remind me again why you can't reply to that Robert?

Was it because you kept spouting your opinion off as fact when it very clearly wasn't and conveniently ignored all the evidence provided?

RobertKK · 07-05-2018 05:19PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

You've posted misleading stories a fair few times since the first thread, you rarely address points when you're proven wrong. Just seem to disappear. Only a few days ago, you posted a tweet of a man paid to remove no posters. Most likely a council worker though... Then you had that story about illegal abortions in the UK but intentionally omitted the reasons for the abortions. You do this a few times a week. But actual faults from the repeal campaign, you struggle to highlight any.

I didn't post misleading stories.

Are you going to deny that women in England try and source illegal abortion pills?

PlaneSpeeking · 07-05-2018 05:20PM

Can I just add that two or three people I work with are very firm No voters.

I respect their stance. They're not trying to change my mind and I'm not trying to change their minds.

In fact it was one of them who suggested the lesbian lie to try to get round the rules.

I have no problem with No voters. I have a problem with liars, ignorant people and those who put their opinion above other people's suffering.

07-05-2018 05:20PM

RobertKK wrote: »

There you go again...

Bringing up something I can't reply to, but using Miss P again, when you know I can't respond.

Perfect example of your post without substance or evidence but your own wild accusations and they thing is I’m actually speaking the truth when I mention your posts on the Miss P case, hurts doesn’t it as you say yourself.

RobertKK · 07-05-2018 05:20PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Remind me again why you can't reply to that Robert?

Was it because you kept spouting your opinion off as fact when it very clearly wasn't and conveniently ignored all the evidence provided?

Because a mod gave their own opinion because she/he was so fed up with people crying to them and wanted it shut down.
It was their opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

amcalester · 07-05-2018 05:21PM

RobertKK wrote: »

There you go again...

Bringing up something I can't reply to, but using Miss P again, when you know I can't respond.

Hoist with his own petard.

PlaneSpeeking · 07-05-2018 05:22PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Flying Fox wrote: »

Robert, any chance you might answer the question above?

My first concern is they are falling a lot and as I said before the person isn't healthy, as she said she could fall in traffic under a vehicle. Have they looked for a wheelchair or something to help with safety, I don't know if it is related to the pregnancy, or if there is pain there when not pregnant, but we see in the referendum debate that doctors differ, the repeal doctors come across as more conservative with treatment as they talk about being restricted unlike retain doctors, maybe a different doctor for a different perspective?

Ah right so a 48 year old woman ahouls be confined to a wheelchair, lose my job, and suffer just to save your conscience..

Definitely done with you now.

robarmstrong · 07-05-2018 05:23PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Because a mod gave their own opinion because she/he was so fed up with people crying to them and wanted it shut down.
It was their opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

No, because you spouted off your opinion as fact when it clearly wasn't so.

You really need to understand the difference between opinion and fact, because you're failing fiercely hard.

RobertKK · 07-05-2018 05:23PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Perfect example of your post without substance or evidence but your own wild accusations and they thing is I’m actually speaking the truth when I mention your posts on the Miss P case, hurts doesn’t it as you say yourself.

This always happens, so predictable. when you can't shut me down, you go back to Miss P since I can't discuss it.

The courts in that case agreed the doctors were wrong with they did.

Ken. · 07-05-2018 05:25PM

Mod- A few people letting the little bit of sun go to their heads. Thread closed for 20 minutes so a few of ye can go stick yere heads in a freezer or something.

Upon reopen please be a bit more civil to each other.

Ken. · 07-05-2018 05:58PM

Mod-reopened

January · 07-05-2018 06:00PM

A very informative animation from the NWCI about why 12 weeks is the proposed legislation.

https://www.facebook.com/NationalWomensCouncilofIreland/videos/1818822371489394/

Moiratat · 07-05-2018 06:03PM

RobertKK wrote: »

My first concern is they are falling a lot and as I said before the person isn't healthy, as she said she could fall in traffic under a vehicle. Have they looked for a wheelchair or something to help with safety, I don't know if it is related to the pregnancy, or if there is pain there when not pregnant, but we see in the referendum debate that doctors differ, the repeal doctors come across as more conservative with treatment as they talk about being restricted unlike retain doctors, maybe a different doctor for a different perspective?

It was actually me that asked you the question

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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