The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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ohnonotgmail · 27-04-2018 02:05PM

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I have to admit there have been occasions where i have not been calm and reasonable when the same poster asks the same question repeatedly and ignores the answers they are given.

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NuMarvel · 27-04-2018 02:09PM

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You talking about posters up on the poles, or posters here?

....... · 27-04-2018 02:10PM

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Zubeneschamali · 27-04-2018 02:14PM

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Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

Water John · 27-04-2018 02:15PM

Here is Justin Barret, saying, any doctor providing an abortion service, should get the death penalty. He doesn't see the irony of it. And the woman should be jailed for the 14 years.
http://www.dailyedge.ie/jim-jefferies-abortion-sketch-3977137-Apr2018/

A subject, obviously hard to find humour in.
This is John Jeffries having a go.

Sofiztikated · 27-04-2018 02:28PM

Water John wrote: »

Here is Justin Barret, saying, any doctor providing an abortion service, should get the death penalty. He doesn't see the irony of it. And the woman should be jailed for the 14 years.
http://www.dailyedge.ie/jim-jefferies-abortion-sketch-3977137-Apr2018/

A subject, obviously hard to find humour in.
This is John Jeffries having a go.

Making him get the flight to London was probably lost on him.

Grayson · 27-04-2018 02:39PM

Water John wrote: »

Here is Justin Barret, saying, any doctor providing an abortion service, should get the death penalty. He doesn't see the irony of it. And the woman should be jailed for the 14 years.
http://www.dailyedge.ie/jim-jefferies-abortion-sketch-3977137-Apr2018/

A subject, obviously hard to find humour in.
This is John Jeffries having a go.

Jim Jeffries.

Grayson · 27-04-2018 02:43PM

Barrett also tweeted this

https://twitter.com/JustinBarrettNP/status/989113872891117568

A few posts down is this.
https://twitter.com/JustinBarrettNP/status/988736268929511424

I wonder if he sees the irony.

As a side note he also posted this.
https://twitter.com/JustinBarrettNP/status/988401659679313920

The guy is nuts.

RobertKK · 27-04-2018 02:55PM

The government say they will provide hospice care for babies born with terminal illnesses. They do a lot of talking giving there has been nothing stopping them...

https://www.thejournal.ie/love-both-hospice-3978097-Apr2018/

Mary Butler FF TD #TrustWomen

“Unfortunately the only solution the committee [on the Eighth Amendment] has offered to anybody who is going through a crisis pregnancy is abortion and we all know there are alternatives,”

robarmstrong · 27-04-2018 02:59PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The government say they will provide hospice care for babies born with terminal illnesses. They do a lot of talking giving there has been nothing stopping them...

https://www.thejournal.ie/love-both-hospice-3978097-Apr2018/

Mary Butler FF TD #TrustWomen

What a load of cobblers.

Abortion is cruel but letting a child be born with a terminal illness with the potential to be in incredible pain just so they can "live".

Dunno how the pro-life crowd justify that to themselves.

Sofiztikated · 27-04-2018 02:59PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The government say they will provide hospice care for babies born with terminal illnesses. They do a lot of talking giving there has been nothing stopping them...

https://www.thejournal.ie/love-both-hospice-3978097-Apr2018/

Mary Butler FF TD #TrustWomen

Still waiting on those lies from the Pro Choice side, Robert.

amcalester · 27-04-2018 03:00PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The government say they will provide hospice care for babies born with terminal illnesses. They do a lot of talking giving there has been nothing stopping them...

https://www.thejournal.ie/love-both-hospice-3978097-Apr2018/

Mary Butler FF TD #TrustWomen

Another example of a No campaigner being economical with the truth.

“Unfortunately the only solution the committee [on the Eighth Amendment] has offered to anybody who is going through a crisis pregnancy is abortion and we all know there are alternatives,” she told reporters.

It was pointed out to Butler that the committee had in fact recommended expanding perinatal hospice care and that Minister for Health Simon Harris has already committed to taking action in that area, regardless of the outcome of the referendum.

Butler said that while that was welcome, “we would have to see the detail”. She also said that the impression she got from the committee was that “way more emphasis” was placed on abortion as a solution.

PhoenixParker · 27-04-2018 03:09PM

The alternative to abortion is to continue with the pregnancy and have the child.

If we compare the government's stance & supports to single mothers between now and 1983, the improvement is vast and wide ranging. From maternity leave, to discrimination legislation, to child benefit, the under 6 go scheme, lone parents benefit . . . There is no comparison between then and now . . .

Plenty of supports for the alternative have been put in place, though obviously there's room for improvement.

Still need to repeal the 8th though because sometimes not having the baby is the only solution.

NuMarvel · 27-04-2018 03:15PM

amcalester wrote: »

Another example of a No campaigner being economical with the truth.

She's also misrepresenting the remit of the Committee. It wasn't to make recommendations about options in crisis pregnancies; it was to review the constitutional ban on one of those options, in light of the Assembly's recommendations and the far-reaching consequences of that ban.

Their focus was on abortion, because that's the only option affected by the 8th. If other options were equally restricted by it, they'd have looked at those too.

seamus · 27-04-2018 03:23PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The government say they will provide hospice care for babies born with terminal illnesses. They do a lot of talking giving there has been nothing stopping them...

https://www.thejournal.ie/love-both-hospice-3978097-Apr2018/

Mary Butler FF TD #TrustWomen

Why not provide better hospice care for babies born with terminal illness AND allow women to choose to terminate the pregnancy before it gets to that point?

Why not "Love Both"?

RobertKK · 27-04-2018 03:27PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Still waiting on those lies from the Pro Choice side, Robert.

They were posted but some people want people to be parrots.

robarmstrong · 27-04-2018 03:29PM

RobertKK wrote: »

They were posted but some people want people to be parrots.

Just because you think something is a lie, doesn't mean it is a lie.

You conveniently failed over and over again to address the lies told by the pro-life campaign and in fact you tend to deflect when people challenge you on things you've said. There's been numerous times where you've tried to pass off your opinion as fact too, like the whole "stunt" debacle that backfired tremendously.

January · 27-04-2018 03:31PM

In other words, he doesn't have any examples, so can't post them.

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robarmstrong · 27-04-2018 03:34PM

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1. Yes posters and no mention of abortion - it is a lie to say people are voting for compassion when it involves allowing the unborn to be terminated and dumped as medical waste, but the latter bit isn't mentioned.

2. It is not unrestricted abortion.

3. A majority of GPs are willing to become abortionists.

4. The yes campaign telling men to talk to the women in one's life pesuming they are all yes voters. None of them are in my life.

5. There is no illegal activity involving money on the Yes side.

The lies Robert is referring to.

Frank Bullitt · 27-04-2018 03:45PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Just look at this latest one below(not gory).

a) WTF has the 1 year old child (or whatever he is) got to do with anything?

b) The 8th does not ban late term abortions for suicidality now.

c) Are they aware that this little guy is also the face of xytex.com, a sperm donor operation?

Apparently as well, this image was used for a sperm bank...and I am not joking here.

SusieBlue · 27-04-2018 03:46PM

Due to family history, I am a high risk of cervical and ovarian cancer.
Because of this, and due to an abnormal result on my very first smear, I have a test every 3 to 6 months.
Since I started having these regular smears 2 years ago, every single one has come back with the result of "low grade changes", so there is something abnormal there, but nothing threatening. Yet.
I'm asked to come back for a repeat 3/6 months later to observe, rinse and repeat.

My most recent one was last month. These appointment have turned into something mundane, something I am used to. I presumed it would come back with the usual result.
"High Grade Changes & Genotyping" was the result this time.

So I was brought back for an emergency colposcopy to take biopsies of the cells this week. Before this procedure was performed, I was asked to do a pregnancy test.
If that test had come back positive, I was told that there would be nothing they could do for me that day, only discuss my "options".

I wouldn't be able to have the necessary tests to determine how high the risk of cancer for me is. I'm 27 years old.
Luckily the pregnancy test was negative, as expected.
And hopefully the results of the colposcopy will be ok. And I know this probably sounds dramatic, because I don't have cancer.
But I need monitoring to ensure it doesn't go that way.
But if the option of going to the UK wasn't there for me, I would be expected to carry on with this pregnancy. In 9 months time those high grade changes could have turned into cancer.

And in a country where cervical cancer is the second most common cancer to kill women aged 25 to 39, this is an absolute disgrace. This is why the 8th needs to be repealed.
If I want to gamble my life for those 9 months, that risk should be mine and only mine to take. It should not be for society to decide when they don't have to live with the consequences.
"Love Both" indeed.

Grayson · 27-04-2018 03:48PM

RobertKK wrote: »

4. The yes campaign telling men to talk to the women in one's life pesuming they are all yes voters. None of them are in my life.

So what you're saying is that you've actually talked to them like the campaign said?

Sofiztikated · 27-04-2018 03:50PM

RobertKK wrote: »

They were posted but some people want people to be parrots.

Yeah, no.

I went through that in detail, as did others, as to why they're not lies.

So still waiting.

_Dara_ · 27-04-2018 04:02PM

RobertKK wrote: »

They were posted but some people want people to be parrots.

Nope, you still haven't provided any.

Could you, for the first time on this thread, fill us in on some of the lies told by the Yes campaign?

What's the issue here? Surely if you have some examples, it's easy to write about them?

Bridge93 · 27-04-2018 04:04PM

Don't know if it's been discussed already, but The Journal did a fact check on the 1/5 are aborted in England poster

FactCheck: Are 1 in 5 babies in England aborted?
http://jrnl.ie/3951738

volchitsa · 27-04-2018 04:52PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

I was a no voter myself until my partner was denied access to a legal abortion over and over again when we suffered miscarriage after miscarriage due to her medical issues.

Kinda lost my rag a bit that they wouldn't give her the dignity to end the pregnancy on her own terms and instead essentially forced her to suffer these miscarriages.

I did further reading and research into what exactly her medical issues meant and was infuriated even more to find out she did not qualify for the 8th's terms, been a yes voter ever since.

What worries me about this (and I'm not blaming you for it, Rob, because the problem is that this is almost the norm) is that we can't possibly wait until every single person in the country has been personally affected.

robarmstrong · 27-04-2018 04:55PM

volchitsa wrote: »

What worries me about this (and I'm not blaming you for it, Rob, because the problem is that this is almost the norm) is that we can't possibly wait until every single person in the country has been personally affected.

I absolutely wholeheartedly agree, we can't wait until every single person in the country has been personally affected.

But we can do our absolute best to have this 8th repealed and allow women access to safe and legal abortion in this country.

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