Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

It's the IRFU trying to get more game time for Joey Carbery. Logan is not selling anything. People need to get their head around that.

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

It's the IRFU trying to get more game time for Joey Carbery. Logan is not selling anything. People need to get their head around that.

Just because you've convinced yourself of it doesn't make it true, regardless of how many times you say it.

Bazzo wrote: »

Allan Clarke has been named as Ospreys new permanent head coach.

That's... interesting...

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Okay. That's a really good point and really moves the discussion on. Has any source other than your natural intelligence and application of logic suggested this is at Ulster's behest?

He didn’t say it was at Ulster’s behest. But it would be utter stupidity for them not to be talking to one of the two lads. There’s an opportunity for Ulster, albeit a small one, to try and tempt a quality IQ option in. If they haven’t tried to have that conversation then Ulster are even more of a basket case than even Drico thinks.

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Okay. That's a really good point and really moves the discussion on. Has any source other than your natural intelligence and application of logic suggested this is at Ulster's behest?

You're the one who said it was at Ulster's behest.

You're the one dismissing everyone saying that the whole thing is entirely down to the IRFU wanting to give more game time to Carbery. Has any source other than your own natural inteligence and application of logic suggested this?

Or maybe the people you are continually dismissing are actually understanding that it's a multivariate problem and it's completely silly to keep pretending it isn't?

stl.ire wrote: »

When and where have Ulster asked for Carbery or Byrne? When and where has it been reported that Ulster want this?

Nowhere

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Okay. That's a really good point and really moves the discussion on. Has any source other than your natural intelligence and application of logic suggested this is at Ulster's behest?

You're the one who said it was at Ulster's behest.

You're the one dismissing everyone saying that the whole thing is entirely down to the IRFU wanting to give more game time to Carbery. Has any source other than your own natural inteligence and application of logic suggested this?

Or maybe the people you are continually dismissing are actually understanding that it's a multivariate problem and it's completely silly to keep pretending it isn't?

Yes. Jonno Gibbes told BBC NI that it was nothing to do with them - it was between Leinster and the IRFU. Are provinces allowed to try to persuade players that still have a year left on their contracys that they should break them?

I have never said it wouldn't benefit Ulster. If you bothered reading back, you'd see I said Byrne moving would be best for Ulster, Carbery for the IRFU.

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Yes. Jonno Gibbes told BBC NI that it was nothing to do with them - it was between Leinster and the IRFU. Are provinces allowed to try to persuade players that still have a year left on their contracys that they should break them?

I have never said it wouldn't benefit Ulster. If you bothered reading back, you'd see I said Byrne moving would be best for Ulster, Carbery for the IRFU.

Nothing to do with Gibbes, we certainly know that.

You didn't say it wouldn't benefit Ulster. But you did say:

It's the IRFU trying to get more game time for Joey Carbery. Logan is not selling anything. People need to get their head around that.

Which is actually something you absolutely do not know and is something you absolutely can not prove.

In truth, Ulster of course would be completely aware if Nucifora is making approaches to players on their behalf, for many obvious reasons. They would benefit of course, as you say. Now you're also right that Logan doesn't need to sell anything, that's all in Nucifora's ballpark, but Ulster are obviously (I mean, painfully obviously) involved in anything that would involve an employee signing a contract with them.

stl.ire wrote: »

Exactly. So your post earlier about Logan having to sell Ulster to the Leinster 2 is silly.

Can you point me to this post?

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Can you point me to this post?

My bad. Looking back you quoted someone using the words ‘selling Ulster’.

prawnsambo wrote: »

Why shouldn't he be talking to them? This isn't premiership soccer, there's no rules about 'tapping up' players. And even if there were, it's all the one organisation anyway.

He should if it’s about joining Ulster at the end of their contracts as has happened many times before. This situation would be breaking or adjusting a contract with Leinster to join Ulster.

stl.ire wrote: »

He should if it’s about joining Ulster at the end of their contracts as has happened many times before. This situation would be breaking or adjusting a contract with Leinster to join Ulster.

Yes, but they're all the one organisation. Everyone involved knows what it's about. One contract would be terminated in favour of the other. Or it could be continued as a loan spell for the remainder and replaced with an Ulster contract at the end. ROG was at the start of a new contract with Racing when he went to NZ. And there was no problem with that once it was mutually agreed.

stl.ire wrote: »

However he is really restricted on that as the IRFU have not allowed another NIQ 10 and both the Leinster players are under contract and he shouldn’t be taking to them right now.

Both of the points made there are bullshít. The IRFU have not told Ulster they can't sign an NIQ 10. And just because they're under contract doesn't mean that Ulster can't talk to the players to see if they would have interest in moving North.

stephen_n wrote: »

stl.ire wrote: »

Honestly Ulster have been linked with nearly everyone. The rumor right now is that Chieka will not pick Lealiifano for the Summer tests and therefore effectively end his international career and free him up for Ulster. Who knows what’s the truth anymore?

As good an all a player asLealiifano is, that would be a disaster of a signing in the long run. McPhillips or any of the young lads wouldn’t get a look in unless he got injured. They would probably play him every week like they did last time. At least with Carbery or Byrne, they will be gone for the international windows.

Leadliifano was great at short notice Last time and tbh I think he enjoyed his time here. As you say he wouldn't be the answer. We need a mentor for McPhilips and Lowry someone to share game time with and help with exposure. Saying that McPhilips hasn't done to bad so far for being parachuted in.

Or at least on a consultancy role to help get things up an running again? like previous teams.