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Parents of Sandy Hook victims suing Alex Jones for defamation

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  • 17-04-2018 9:36pm
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    Dohnjoe
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    Don't know if I can post this because it's not a conspiracy, but it is related

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/17/business/media/alex-jones-sandy-hook.html

    Parents of children who were killed in the Sandy Hook shooting are suing Jones for defamation because he has been repeatedly claiming on air that the shooting was a hoax, that relatives were "in on it" and so on

    Nonsense can wash in an echo chamber, but it quickly falls apart in a court case. Hope they clean him out.


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    gmisk
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    He is the definition of a snake oil salesman... Hope they clear him out


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    Ipso
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    I hope he doesn't eat chilli before the case.
    https://uproxx.com/news/alex-jones-lawyer-kids-chili/

    In order for someone like this to be popular, he requires a legion of brain dead, mouth breathing oxygen thieves to keep him in business.
    Hopefully it might shine alight on them also.


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    gerrybbadd
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    Lenny Pozner tried this previously vs Wolfgang Halbig. He was unsuccessful in suing him


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    Cheerful Spring
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    The problem with Alex Jones there, not an event that not a major conspiracy. I personally think he does not help the debate. Sooner he retires the better ranting and raving and shouting about demons and devils and blood weird stuff his mind clearly disturbed or it's just an act for his audience?


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    Dohnjoe
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    He's already backtracking

    http://wshu.org/post/alex-jones-backtracking-now-says-sandy-hook-shooting-did-happen#stream/0


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    Hector Bellend
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    Why didnt they sue him before now?


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    Dohnjoe
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    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    Why didnt they sue him before now?

    Probably because attention can bring validity (and more attention). It could (and still could) make things worse for these families. Worth bearing in mind that while Jones spent years discrediting the shooting and labeling it a hoax, took him 24 hours to miraculously reverse that position and now admit that it was real


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    Hector Bellend
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Probably because attention can bring validity (and more attention). It could (and still could) make things worse for these families. Worth bearing in mind that while Jones spent years discrediting the shooting and labeling it a hoax, took him 24 hours to miraculously reverse that position and now admit that it was real

    Curious timing to put it mildly.

    I'm not suggesting that Alex Jones is correct bout this timing appears random at best.


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    Hector Bellend
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    If Alex Jones is the subject of a Lawsuit why are other people of a similar opinion not being sued (perhaps they are and I'm open to correction).

    What about Jim Fetzer and others?

    Another thing, is there an element of payback by Megyn Kellly after her recent interview with Alex Jones.


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    Dohnjoe
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    Hopefully this will set a precedent if successful

    The flipside is that lawsuits can bring more attention and bigger audiences to these types of people who.. crave attention and audiences


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    Ipso
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    Apart from attention, it might also legitimise the idea of the edtablishment trying to silence him. That industry relies on a good dose of paranoia and narcissism.


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    King Mob
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    We've already had examples on this forum of people defending him when he outright admitted it was all an act.

    There's plenty of times he's been proven wrong and made false predictions. There's numerous occasions where his shiftyass behaviour has been clear as day.

    But if none of those have convinced conspiracy theorists, nothing will.
    And for those that are convinced he becomes part of the conspiracy, since the idea of someone manipulating and controlling conspiracy theory media for profit is an very uncomfortable proposition.


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    Hector Bellend
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    Why didnt they sue him before now?

    Probably because attention can bring validity (and more attention). It could (and still could) make things worse for these families. Worth bearing in mind that while Jones spent years discrediting the shooting and labeling it a hoax, took him 24 hours to miraculously reverse that position and now admit that it was real
    But this will be the case no matter what time the case is brought. I still don't understand why it was left so late.


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    Dohnjoe
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    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    I still don't understand why it was left so late.

    Prob to do with this

    "The suit primarily has to do with a video from April of last year, “Sandy Hook Vampires Exposed,” in which Jones commented on a CNN interview between De La Rosa and Anderson Cooper. "
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2018/04/17/heres-why-sandy-hook-parents-and-others-are-suing-alex-jones/?utm_term=.5011da39d212

    CTers like Jones are smart, pushing free speech just enough to make horrendous claims, but not enough to get sued. Hopefully they've got him with that video - and it can set a precedent.


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    Chrongen
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    Alex Jones makes MILLIONS by muddying the waters.

    The only reason he hasn't been shot is because he connects crap like alien abductions with actual possibilities such as the Gulf of Tonkin or other things that need to be turned into CT hoaxes.

    The man is a very clever nutjob.


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    Dohnjoe
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    Chrongen wrote: »
    Alex Jones makes MILLIONS by muddying the waters.

    The only reason he hasn't been shot is because he connects crap like alien abductions with actual possibilities such as the Gulf of Tonkin or other things that need to be turned into CT hoaxes.

    The man is a very clever nutjob.

    His techniques are similar to most conspiracy theorists. Whether it's 911 or the poisoning of the Skripals. Distorting and twisting information to discredit and hint at conspiracy. The only real difference is he makes money while he does it.


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    Chrongen
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    His techniques are similar to most conspiracy theorists. Whether it's 911 or the poisoning of the Skripals. Distorting and twisting information to discredit and hint at conspiracy. The only real difference is he makes money while he does it.

    Kind of like calling someone a holocaust denier then purely for asking a mathematical question.


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    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Chrongen wrote: »
    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    His techniques are similar to most conspiracy theorists. Whether it's 911 or the poisoning of the Skripals. Distorting and twisting information to discredit and hint at conspiracy. The only real difference is he makes money while he does it.

    Kind of like calling someone a holocaust denier then purely for asking a mathematical question.
    "Hey I'm not saying X, I'm just asking questions here, maybe you just don't like questions!" - every conspiracy theorist ever


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    Overheal
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    Chrongen wrote: »
    Kind of like calling someone a holocaust denier then purely for asking a mathematical question.

    Welp, that’s part of the definition of Holocaust Denial, disputing the agreed upon casualty stats.


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    Dohnjoe
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    https://abcnews.go.com/US/families-sandy-hook-victims-fbi-agent-file-defamation/story?id=55379036

    More relatives and an FBI agent have filed defamation against Jones


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    Mutant z
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    I cant understand anyone who takes Alex Jones as a reliable source.


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    greenspurs
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    His techniques are similar to most conspiracy theorists. Whether it's 911 or the poisoning of the Skripals. Distorting and twisting information to discredit and hint at conspiracy. The only real difference is he makes money while he does it.

    You only come into the Conspiracy Theory forum, to denounce all people that think there might be conspiracies happening ?? :confused:

    You must have a simple life, but thanks for the efforts.
    Do you go into the Spiritual and Medium forums to broadcast your disbelief at their beliefs also?

    :rolleyes:
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    Dohnjoe
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    greenspurs wrote: »
    You only come into the Conspiracy Theory forum

    If people want to post lies/distortions as fact on a public forum, they really shouldn't act surprised to see them exposed as such

    Case in point: Alex Jones encouraging followers to harass the families of slain children.


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    greenspurs
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    If people want to post lies/distortions as fact on a public forum, they really shouldn't act surprised to see them exposed as such

    Case in point: Alex Jones encouraging followers to harass the families of slain children.

    So you don't deny it ?
    You are either a troll then, or you feel so sure that there are no such thing as Conspiracies that you will argue in all threads against those that do ?

    Not much of a life really , there are so many better things to do with your time !!
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    Dohnjoe
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    greenspurs wrote: »
    You are either a troll then, or you feel so sure that there are no such thing as Conspiracies

    Conspiracies happen on a daily basis. Scandals, sleaze, corruption, cover-ups and so on. Plenty of them are true.

    They bear no relation to badly made-up and false conspiracies, many of which end up here. Posing as fact.


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    greenspurs
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Conspiracies happen on a daily basis. Scandals, sleaze, corruption, cover-ups and so on. Plenty of them are true.

    They bear no relation to badly made-up and false conspiracies, many of which end up here. Posing as fact.

    And you feel you have to come on here and expose them ? :confused:
    I don't think anyone (except you maybe) take any of the theories posted on here as "fact" ......
    They are just theories and posters take on what they 'think' happened or what didn't happen ...
    That's my opinion anyway.
    But feel free to try prove everyone else is wrong, and that you are right. :rolleyes:
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    Dohnjoe
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    greenspurs wrote: »
    I don't think anyone (except you maybe) take any of the theories posted on here as "fact" ......

    The problem is that they do. The real problem is when they act on it. Like the subject of this thread demonstrates.


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    Dohnjoe
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    Youtube just pulled the plug on his channel. Spotify, Facebook, and Itunes also dropped some (or all) of his content


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    Cheerful Spring
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Youtube just pulled the plug on his channel. Spotify, Facebook, and Itunes also dropped some (or all) of his content

    I can't argue against this his terrible and should be punished for upsetting families like this. There better more educated people doing conspiracy podcasts on the internet anyway listen to them. How can anyone listen to him rant on about demons and blood sucking vampires daily is beyond me?


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    Tony EH
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    Jones is a prime case of someone's act going too far and his Sandyhook nonsense was just too much for too many people to gloss over.

    Personally, I couldn't care less if he's on air of off it. It means nothing to me. But, it's nothing short of hilarious to read all the junk that's being spouted by utter gobshites about this. The YouTube comments section is an appalling vista at the best of times, but by christ, this has brought out the clowns in force. Supposedly, it's "the left" that's done this and it's an example of "liberals" censoring free speech and whatnot.

    What absolute bollocks.

    YouTube, Spotify and Facebook aren't "the left". They're private businesses and private businesses make business decisions based on finance. That finance was under threat, as other companies were refusing to do deals with the above companies because of Jones and therefore, revenue deals were in danger of drying up.

    If anything, this is a perfect example of the free market in action. That same free market that those on the right claim love so much. It's a source of much humour, now, to see so called "rightwingers" calling for government intervention on this most pressing matter. :pac:

    In any case, at the end of the day, if anyone really wants to listen to Alex Jones shitetalk, they just have to log onto Infowars.

    Bish, bash, bosh...done.


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