Mickey Harte getting involved in referendum in the Republic

mzungu · 22-04-2018 02:17PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I appreciate Mickey is a religious person

And that he understands the feeling of loss more than most

However, he should really keep his opinions to himself.

I disagree. He should (and is) free to air his opinion, the exact same as you are free to air your opinion in your post. Works both ways

alan partridge aha · 22-04-2018 02:21PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Fair play to you Mickey, having the ba**s to do it.

Suddenly he's not shy about talking to RTE

So what.

Trigger Happy · 22-04-2018 02:24PM

Mickey Harte is a bollocks of the highest order. Giving references to a convicted sex attacker...

His intervention on behalf of 'no' will do the other side more good than harm imo.

daithi1970 · 22-04-2018 02:25PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

I don't understand why people can be influenced so easily these days anyway. Are we really just sheep? Who cares what a footballer, athlete, Kardashian, various social media "influencers" (whatever that is) tell us to do. We are supposed to be intelligent, self aware and independant beings. Do your research and make up your mind based on that. The world really is starting to remind me of a silly movie I saw years ago (Idiocracy I think it was called). Anyone who votes based on what facebook or some celebrity tells them should be taken off the register for life.

Its because people the days have rapidly shrinking attention spans and are looking for someone else to give them answers,rather than going to the trouble of finding the answers for themselves..

22-04-2018 02:26PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I appreciate Mickey is a religious person

And that he understands the feeling of loss more than most

However, he should really keep his opinions to himself.

Why? Plenty of people publicly endorse the Repeal side.

JohnMc1 · 22-04-2018 02:28PM

duffman13 wrote: »

They really really won't. I dont think people overseas are as arsed with what happens in Ireland when they aren't living here. The effort of flying to Ireland to cast a vote

They did it for the marriage referendum [hell even RTE was celebrating the blatant fraud] so why do you think it won't happen for this?

iamwhoiam · 22-04-2018 02:29PM

Why would any adult need guidance from Mickey Harte ? Can people not make their own decisions ?

splinter65 · 22-04-2018 02:32PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I appreciate Mickey is a religious person

And that he understands the feeling of loss more than most

However, he should really keep his opinions to himself.

Why?

splinter65 · 22-04-2018 02:34PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

This is more than an opinion, he's established a campaigning group...

So what?

aidan24326 · 22-04-2018 02:34PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I appreciate Mickey is a religious person

And that he understands the feeling of loss more than most

However, he should really keep his opinions to himself.

Hi is perfectly entitled to his opinion same as everyone else.

I'm not sure why it should matter though, it's a sad state of affairs if someone would vote yes or no on such an important issue just because Mickey Harte or any other public figure endorsed a certain position. People need to make up their own minds on this, think about it carefully, not just follow the crowd or vote according to the wishes of some minor celebrity.

Zaph · 22-04-2018 02:34PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Why would any adult need guidance from Mickey Harte ? Can people not make their own decisions ?

Agreed. Anyone who's opinion is swayed, either way, by a "celebrity" endorsement really isn't informed enough to vote. It's a pity that there's no way of preventing those people from actually voting.

splinter65 · 22-04-2018 02:36PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Why would any adult need guidance from Mickey Harte ? Can people not make their own decisions ?

Who said he’s offering guidance? I’m waiting patiently for someone to tell me on what grounds he or anyone else shouldn’t voice their opinion.

splinter65 · 22-04-2018 02:40PM

Zaph wrote: »

Agreed. Anyone who's opinion is swayed, either way, by a "celebrity" endorsement really isn't informed enough to vote. It's a pity that there's no way of preventing those people from actually voting.

So anyone who has been persuaded by Brid Smith or Simon Harris or Mary Coughlan or Louise O’Neill or Leo Varadker should be prevented from voting?

nice_guy80 · 22-04-2018 02:42PM

mzungu wrote: »

I disagree. He should (and is) free to air his opinion, the exact same as you are free to air your opinion in your post. Works both ways

Maybe if he actually had a vote, but he doesn't

I don't go up the north telling them how to vote

splinter65 · 22-04-2018 02:46PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Maybe if he actually had a vote, but he doesn't

I don't go up the north telling them how to vote

But if you do have an opinion on things in N Ireland or anywhere else for that matter then you’re free to express that opinion if you choose to.
Your here now expressing an opinion on Mickey Harte.
Why shouldn’t he express his opinion?

bucketybuck · 22-04-2018 02:47PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Who said he’s offering guidance? I’m waiting patiently for someone to tell me on what grounds he or anyone else shouldn’t voice their opinion.

"They" won't admit it, but the only reason they think he should stay quiet is because they think he is on the wrong side. The issue isn't "Mickey Harte has an opinion", its "Mickey Harte has the wrong opinion".

Its easy to say that there would be the same concerns if he was campaigning for the "yes" side, its really easy to type that and claim it to be the case. Its bollocks though, if Harte came out in favour of the yes side then this thread would not have been started. Pretend otherwise all people want, I doubt anybody is fooled.

KERSPLAT! · 22-04-2018 02:48PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Maybe if he actually had a vote, but he doesn't

I don't go up the north telling them how to vote

You don't but you could if you wanted to. As was mentioned already there was a protest here just weeks ago on the outcome of a trial in NI.

People are free to voice their opinion just as you and I are. I guarantee if I looked through your posts you have done the same on boards on issues that are nothing to do with you.

splinter65 · 22-04-2018 02:49PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

"They" won't admit it, but the only reason they think he should stay quiet is because they think he is on the wrong side. The issue isn't "Mickey Harte has an opinion", its "Mickey Harte has the wrong opinion".

Its easy to say that there would be the same concerns if he was campaigning for the "yes" side, its really easy to type that and claim it to be the case. Its bollocks though, if Harte came out in favour of the yes side then this thread would not have been started. Pretend otherwise all people want, I doubt anybody is fooled.

It’s very alarming to me how many people on the left want badly to clamp down on free speech. It’s quite naked in this thread.

Yer Da sells Avon · 22-04-2018 02:50PM

He's as Irish as I am. As long as everyone he canvasses is made aware that he saw fit to gave a character reference to a sex attacker, I don't see any issue with him getting involved.

splinter65 · 22-04-2018 02:53PM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

He's as Irish as I am. As long as everyone he canvasses is made aware that he saw fit to gave a character reference to a sex attacker, I don't see any issue with him getting involved.

Well it’s not a secret. If you google Mickey Harte you’ll see it. I don’t think he’s pretending he didn’t.

Huntergonzo · 22-04-2018 02:53PM

Have many people said that Mickey Harte shouldn't have an opinion?

Seems to be a bit of shadow boxing going on here.

iamwhoiam · 22-04-2018 02:54PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Who said he’s offering guidance? I’m waiting patiently for someone to tell me on what grounds he or anyone else shouldn’t voice their opinion.

Not once did I say he shouldn't offer an opinion .I am just curious as to why anyone would think Mickey Harte could influence anyones vote .Then again I am always baffled with adults who are swayed by anothers opinion

eviltwin · 22-04-2018 02:54PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

"They" won't admit it, but the only reason they think he should stay quiet is because they think he is on the wrong side. The issue isn't "Mickey Harte has an opinion", its "Mickey Harte has the wrong opinion".

Its easy to say that there would be the same concerns if he was campaigning for the "yes" side, its really easy to type that and claim it to be the case. Its bollocks though, if Harte came out in favour of the yes side then this thread would not have been started. Pretend otherwise all people want, I doubt anybody is fooled.

In fairness it works both ways. I've seen plenty of hate directed at Derval O'Rourke who is on the Yes side. People have even targeted Spar asking them to cut their ties with her.

It's ridiculous, everyone has an opinion. To suggest someone should be silent because they are in the public eye is unfair,they have a right to a say.

I don't agree with Harte and have little time for him but he shouldn't be silenced. Anyway, he's very religious so it's no surprise he's anti repeal.

22-04-2018 02:54PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Maybe if he actually had a vote, but he doesn't

I don't go up the north telling them how to vote

I don't go down south from Dublin and tell people in, say, Clare that the local authority whose members only people in Clare vote for are ignorant troglodytes (at best) for the environmental destruction that their dodgy planning permission decisions over the past 20 years has been responsible for. I am 100% within my rights to hold, and express, that view, however.

splinter65 · 22-04-2018 02:55PM

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Have many people said that Mickey Harte shouldn't have an opinion?

Seems to be a bit of shadow boxing going on here.

Posters are complaining about him voicing his opinion. That’s what this thread is about.

brabantje · 22-04-2018 02:55PM

jimd2 wrote: »

Does anyone else find it a bit disconcerting that northerner Mickey Harte who never gives interviews to RTE is now starting a campaign of GAA sports stars to get a NO vote in the republic?

I have to say, and I am still undecided in the vote, that I am not really impressed with him getting involved and pulling together sports stars to encourage a NO vote. He may influence quite a number in border counties.

Mickey Harte is an Irish citizen and entitled to his express opinion as much as you are.

dav3 · 22-04-2018 02:56PM

It's not that surprising. He pulled the same stunt during the same sex marriage referendum. The no side must be getting desperate if they're giving Mickey Harte a platform. He swayed a lot of undecided to vote yes that time and I'm sure the same will happen again. I say let him talk along with his friends the bishops and priests, give them as much airtime as they want.

One thing Irish people love is being lectured on how to live their lives by religious fanatics.

Huntergonzo · 22-04-2018 03:01PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Posters are complaining about him voicing his opinion. That’s what this thread is about.

Have many people complained about him voicing his opinion, personally I've been in support of it.

mzungu · 22-04-2018 03:07PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Maybe if he actually had a vote, but he doesn't

I don't go up the north telling them how to vote

There are two choices available, you can tell them how to vote, or you can decide that you do not wish to do so. You exercise your right not to. However, Mickey Harte also has two choices, and he decided to exercise his right to weigh in on the referendum. All elections/referendums are always rife with people from outside the country airing their views, and some of the funding for both sides comes from abroad so their is nothing new there. He may not have a vote, but he is more than entitled to his say. The same way as people here can comment on elections in the US or Russia etc. People comment and campaign about things that happen outside their home country all the time.

mzungu · 22-04-2018 03:11PM

splinter65 wrote: »

It’s very alarming to me how many people on the left want badly to clamp down on free speech. It’s quite naked in this thread.

We had TD's in Dáil Éireann voting to not have the referendum on the 8th and none of them were left wing.

Mickey Harte getting involved in referendum in the Republic

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