Mickey Harte getting involved in referendum in the Republic

Hande hoche! · 22-04-2018 11:02AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Go fund yourself, cheapskate.

That would have been a smart comment together with a one euro donation. Already funded though.

Get Real · 22-04-2018 11:11AM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Know of someone who set up a go fund me to pay for a flight home from Asia to take part in the referendum.

If you go to the go fund me website and put in "referendum" in the search bar, other people are also looking for money for a flight home too.

Regardless of what side you're on, I'm unsure of using the referendum as a reason and painting it as a noble thing in order to get money off people.

I understand people may be short of money, but be an adult and get it off family and pay it back maybe?

One post looking for 180 euro to fly from a particular city in Spain. This has been funded by 19 people. Person was seeking 180 to go "halfsies". Yet a return flight on skyscanner for that particular city to Dublin is 150 the day before the referendum, or 180 the day of.

pitifulgod · 22-04-2018 11:12AM

He did same during marriage referendum if I recall correctly. Have zero respect for him after his character reference for a rapist.

gctest50 · 22-04-2018 11:24AM

Ask him about Runbane if he calls canvassing

Runbane House has a notorious reputation for clerical sex abuse; Fr. Brendan Smyth was sentenced to ten years for his crimes in the 1990s, while charges against Brother Florence (real name Joseph Scally) were eventually dropped.

Harte has previously claimed that he was oblivious to abuse that went on in Runbane House

https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/police-questioned-tyrone-manager-over-assault-claims-13592

end of the road · 22-04-2018 11:25AM

i don't particularly like the man but i see no issue here.

GritBiscuit · 22-04-2018 11:29AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Exactly. Funny how jurisdiction didn't seem to matter when opinions about that case were being thrown about everywhere.

Just as those men wore a shirt representing those in the South, the outcome of the referendum will likely have enormous ramifications in the North - particularly if a Yes thus making their current stance all the more untenable - so I'd be more surprised if Nordies don't weigh in on both sides of the debate.

Debate is good. Informed choice is good. Let everyone have their say and let all who want to, rebut. Democracy in action.

end of the road · 22-04-2018 11:36AM

gctest50 wrote: »

Ask him about Runbane if he calls canvassing

Runbane House has a notorious reputation for clerical sex abuse; Fr. Brendan Smyth was sentenced to ten years for his crimes in the 1990s, while charges against Brother Florence (real name Joseph Scally) were eventually dropped.

Harte has previously claimed that he was oblivious to abuse that went on in Runbane House

https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/police-questioned-tyrone-manager-over-assault-claims-13592

why. it's not as if he is going to discuss it, and nor should he given it's irrelevant to the referendum.

jimd2 · 22-04-2018 12:32PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Is your problem that he's getting involved? Or that he might influence people?

Yes, I think he should stay out of it.

KERSPLAT! · 22-04-2018 12:34PM

jimd2 wrote: »

Yes, I think he should stay out of it.

Why?

McMurphy · 22-04-2018 12:48PM

jimd2 wrote: »

Yes, I think he should stay out of it.

He obviously has strongly held opinions/views on the matter, we live in a democracy, people are free to express them opinions/views, regardless if they may or may not differ to our own.

pitifulgod · 22-04-2018 12:58PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

He obviously has strongly held opinions/views on the matter, we live in a democracy, people are free to express them opinions/views, regardless if they may or may not differ to our own.

And people are equally entitled to criticise him, this is the second time where he has tried to influence a referendum here. His motivation both times was religious fundamentalism. Think it's good to highlight what sort of individual he is. He is concerned about abortion but good with character references for rapists...

Shadowstrife · 22-04-2018 12:58PM

It is scary to think the appeal and influence GAA stars will have on undecided voters.

At least not all GAA stars are supporting 'No'. Eamonn McGee in Donegal is on the 'Yes' campaign.

AllForIt · 22-04-2018 12:59PM

It's not the voicing his opinion that's the problem which he's perfectly entitled to do...it's the starting a campaign with other GAA sports stars part, as if to create the impression that collectively the entire GAA says no. Nothing to stop another GAA group doing the same for the opposing side I suppose.

jimd2 · 22-04-2018 12:59PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

I agree, I just wondered if the op is bothered for the reason you are, which I agree with, or because MH might influence people to the side he may disagree with.

Mrsmum, I am undecided at this stage. I was slightly on the NO side if anything but want to appraise myself of some more information but i wouldnt let individuals like Mickey influenec me either way. You might think I am a bit anti religion / pro life etc. I am sure that a simple check of my posting history would show you that I have stuck up for religious people in the past here.

I just dont think he should be getting involved.

22-04-2018 12:59PM

There were thousands and thousands of our citizens campaigning and marching over the legitimate decision of a verdict in another district only a few weeks ago. This is one man having an opinion on the other side of the border, leave him off.

end of the road · 22-04-2018 01:01PM

AllForIt wrote: »

It's not the voicing his opinion that's the problem which he's perfectly entitled to do...it's the starting a campaign with other GAA sports stars part, as if to create the impression that collectively the entire GAA says no. Nothing to stop another GAA group doing the same for the opposing side I suppose.

the GAA just state that they are remaining nutral, job done.

KERSPLAT! · 22-04-2018 01:02PM

jimd2 wrote: »

Mrsmum, I am undecided at this stage. I was slightly on the NO side if anything but want to appraise myself of some more information but i wouldnt let individuals like Mickey influenec me either way. You might think I am a bit anti religion / pro life etc. I am sure that a simple check of my posting history would show you that I have stuck up for religious people in the past here.

I just dont think he should be getting involved.

Why do you think he should not get involved?

jimd2 · 22-04-2018 01:02PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

I think the question you have to ask yourself is would you be ok with it if a group of prominent GAA players came out yesterday for Repealing the 8th ?

Just to answer this, yes I would also be uneasy with Mikey Harte getting involved with this on the YES side also.

jimd2 · 22-04-2018 01:06PM

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Why do you think he should not get involved?

As I said earlier, I dont think he should be getting involved in a referendum down here and using his GAA position and fame to get involved in a referendum that is in another jurisdition. Just the same as Brian Cody getting involved in a soial referendum in the North, I wouldn think that's right either.

Remember this is the same guy that wont gove an interview to the national broadcaster down here.

I am not expecting everyone to agree, it's just my own opinion.

McMurphy · 22-04-2018 01:09PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

And people are equally entitled to criticise him, this is the second time where he has tried to influence a referendum here. His motivation both times was religious fundamentalism. Think it's good to highlight what sort of individual he is. He is concerned about abortion but good with character references for rapists...

Yes they are, and I don't see anyone trying to silence them, as I said, Harte obviously has strong opinions on the subject, the OP has stated that even if those views were the opposite of the ones he has now, he'd still prefer Harte to keep them to himself.

We live in a world where public figures have rowed in behind various contentious campaigns since forever, that's just the reality of it.

People are free to disregard his views, or get fully behind them.

mzungu · 22-04-2018 01:09PM

Whilst I do not agree with his views, Mickey Harte and those other folks from the GAA are more than entitled to air their views on the referendum. That is what it means to be part of a democracy, so long may it continue. I couldn't care less if he was residing in Siberia, he is fully entitled to launch his campaign. Both sides have influences both inside and outside these borders, so it is a bit unfair to use that as a stick to beat him with.

Mrsmum · 22-04-2018 01:10PM

jimd2 wrote: »

Just to answer this, yes I would also be uneasy with Mikey Harte getting involved with this on the YES side also.

I think that's (ie no mixing of sport with this referendum) reasonable and thank you for clarifying because to me it sounded like you just didn't want him influencing people to vote no. My bad.

eta reasonable but probably unrealistic.

Huntergonzo · 22-04-2018 01:11PM

jimd2 wrote: »

Just to answer this, yes I would also be uneasy with Mikey Harte getting involved with this on the YES side also.

In fairness Mickey Harte is entitled to get involved, I don't really have an issue with his involvement, even though he doesn't have a vote. Outside influences come from near and far all the time, that's just the way it is, you'd just hope that people will make their own minds up and won't be told how to vote either way.

I say all this as someone who is not undecided, I will be voting to repeal the 8th.

KERSPLAT! · 22-04-2018 01:14PM

jimd2 wrote: »

As I said earlier, I dont think he should be getting involved in a referendum down here and using his GAA position and fame to get involved in a referendum that is in another jurisdition. Just the same as Brian Cody getting involved in a soial referendum in the North, I wouldn think that's right either.

Remember this is the same guy that wont gove an interview to the national broadcaster down here.

I am not expecting everyone to agree, it's just my own opinion.

He's as free as you or I to voice his opinion on issues in Ireland or any other country worldwide. What he does with the national broadcaster makes no odds to me.

"Celebrities" or people of influence around the world voice their opinions on various issues worldwide all the time. The fact that they are celebrities doesn't mean their opinion is any less valid than that of someone who isn't.

At what point should a person not be allowed to voice an opinion due to their "fame". How do you measure that?

22-04-2018 01:16PM

If NI residents had a vote there'd be no chance of the referendum passing.

Mrsmum · 22-04-2018 01:17PM

jimd2 wrote: »

As I said earlier, I dont think he should be getting involved in a referendum down here and using his GAA position and fame to get involved in a referendum that is in another jurisdition. Just the same as Brian Cody getting involved in a soial referendum in the North, I wouldn think that's right either.

Remember this is the same guy that wont gove an interview to the national broadcaster down here.

I am not expecting everyone to agree, it's just my own opinion.

Regarding bolded quote, i'd have no doubt MH sees himself as Irish as BC any day of the week whereas BC obviously would not see himself as British so why would he involve himself in Northern Ireland issues which are under British jurisdiction.

McMurphy · 22-04-2018 01:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If NI residents had a vote there'd be no chance of the referendum passing.

I wouldn't be so sure on that one.

22-04-2018 01:24PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure on that one.

I may have overstated it. :P But it'd be well over 60% for No up there.

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-04-2018 01:25PM

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suicide_circus · 22-04-2018 01:26PM

George Soros - good
Mickey Harte - bad

Mickey Harte getting involved in referendum in the Republic

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