The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

you call yourself love both and you said love both cares for all human life and teenagers are human life too. More Teenagers will be a force to keep up pregnancy every year if we say no to this

God gives us free will to say yes I say yes to the 8th amendment save Teenagers lives from being pregnant.

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

How important is a 12 week old foetus?

Do YOU think a foetus is more important than the woman carrying it?

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Is this you...or the bottle talking?

Why won’t you answer the question?

Minister for Health saying is yes
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-urges-ireland-to-trust-women-in-abortion-reform-bid-838554.html

kylith wrote: »

Why won’t you answer the question?

Because he would rather just throw out personal insults.

Best to just report the idiotic posts then put it on ignore.

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The problem is information does not equal truth

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I have been weighing up the arguments for myself and I was open to "yes" but i'm falling on the "no" side here principally because I don't know what the term limit would be on abortion. Think this is a fatal flaw in the "yes" campaign. Still time for the "yes" side to convince me.

It will most likely be a limit of 12 weeks, with an option of requesting one later at a later gestation in cases of FFA or threat to the life of the mother. This was the recommendation of the citizens assembly.

rainbow kirby wrote: »

I've had two babies in England - I have a 2 year old and 11 week old. The system here trusts women far more than the Irish system does in my experience. Scans were at the right time - 12 and 20 weeks as standard, with growth scans at 35 and 37 weeks with my second when I had some complications. No postcode lottery regarding getting an anatomy scan either. My choices were respected and everything was presented as an offer - I could have declined the antenatal screening, could have refused induction etc, I had my older son in the midwife led unit using the active birth equipment etc. The screening booklet lists TFMR as an option in serious and fatal anomaly cases, no obligation to make any particular choice.

I spent the first 6 months of my pregnancy in Ireland and the last 3 in the UK and the difference was phenomenal. In Ireland my 'anomaly scan' at 22 weeks (which was the only scan I was offered as routine care) tested for very limited anomalies. The difference in the literature from the HSE and the NHS was phenomenal. There are so many tests routinely performed in the UK that I never even knew existed when I was under HSE care. It caused me so much anxiety because the realisation that I was being deliberately kept in the dark about possible complications was horrific.

But even beyond anomaly testing, the whole system of maternity care is incomparable because of the 8th amendment. The first thing my UK midwife did was give me her mobile number and tell me call her whenever I needed her, if she couldn't answer I'd be transferred to a call team. My midwife spent hours in my home talking about the myriad options the NHS provides. Making sure that we aimed to have the birth I felt most comfortable with. At ante-natal classes there was so much focus on women making the best, most informed decision for them, in terms of where to birth, how to birth, the selection of pain relief, the pros and cons. When my son's birth turned out to be difficult and dangerous, I was kept informed, consulted with, offered more information, only given opinions on the choices I should make when I asked for them. Nobody did anything to me without my informed consent and I was treated at all times like the central person in the room.

And afterwards, almost every single medical professional I dealt with came back to me and asked me how I felt about the treatment they'd provided and if I had any suggestions about anything they should change. I even had a senior doctor come and ask if I'd like for her to arrange a counsellor to come and talk to me. (Which scared the crap out of me for a minute as I thought something awful must have happened if she was so concerned about my mental state.)

The mid-pregnancy switch from one health service where the system does not treat you like a full autonomous person to one that actively fuçking cherishes you was intense. I needed an emergency c-section, my heart rate dropped badly due to the spinal block and I needed adrenaline to keep it going. This made my heart beat faster so I lost a lot of blood and stitching me back up after my son was born took a long time due to excessive bleeding and required a platelet transfer. And I still think of it all as a really positive experience due to just how well I was treated. How informed I was kept, how every question I had was answered to my satisfaction. I have friends who had textbook deliveries here and have horrific memories of it because of how dismissive the medical staff was of them, of how procedures were carried out without their consent. Because they were treated like irrelevant children. Our maternity system is just awful and it's hard to see that when you haven't experienced both sides of it. But it is and that's because of the 8th amendment.