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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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  • #7682
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    splinter65 wrote: »
    .....,...

    An egg that has been fertilized by a sperm is a human being.

    No, it's a fertilised egg


  • #7683
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭circadian


    pleas advice wrote: »
    Do you trust women from England and Wales? Where there is more than one abortion for every four live births.
    circadian wrote: »
    Why wouldn't someone trust women from England and Wales? Is there an inherent need for distrust?
    pleas advice wrote: »
    you'd need to ask those who keep asking us to 'trust women'

    Absolutely no consistency or logic in your posting here.


  • #7684
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Can you explain this for me? An unfertilised egg is not a human being. A sperm that has not fertilized an egg is not a human being. An egg that has been fertilized by a sperm is a human being.
    Are you agreed?
    If so, then what is your point?

    According to previous posts a baby up to 12 weeks is not a baby but an idea of a baby, a clump of cells.Madness I know. I would love to hear from Drs that will be forced to do this.Does this not contradict their pledge not to do harm?


  • #7685
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Can you explain this for me? An unfertilised egg is not a human being. A sperm that has not fertilized an egg is not a human being. An egg that has been fertilized by a sperm is a human being.
    Are you agreed?
    If so, then what is your point?

    No not really agreed, I don't consider a fetus to have the same status as it's mother (or father for that matter).

    But those against abortion often claim that 'life begins at conception', I'm challenging that claim on the grounds that both sperm and eggs are also alive. Do you not agree that they are alive? If you do think they are alive, then are you not against humans killing them?

    Also do you really believe a fetus is a baby?


  • #7686
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Pro-life is pro-life though, we're all pro-life.....otherwise we'd be dead.

    Pro-choice is the right to choose.

    Anti-choice is against the right to choose.

    Why can't we keep it straight forward, pro and anti choice?

    Some people aren't prollife and support the killing of the unborn in the womb if that is the choice of the woman.


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  • #7687
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    No not really agreed, I don't consider a fetus to have the same status as it's mother (or father for that matter).

    But those against abortion often claim that 'life begins at conception', I'm challenging that claim on the grounds that both sperm and eggs are also alive. Do you not agree that they are alive? If you do think they are alive, then are you not against humans killing them?

    Also do you really believe a fetus is a baby?


    Why don't you Google image ABORTED FETUS.


  • #7688
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Why don't you Google image ABORTED FETUS.

    Just did......and?


  • #7689
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Some people aren't prollife and support the killing of the unborn in the womb if that is the choice of the woman.

    Some people are pro-life and are pro-choice......me for example.


  • #7690
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Just did......and?

    And?


  • #7691
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    gctest50 wrote: »
    No, it's a fertilised egg

    When a human sperm has fertilized a human egg it is a human being. What kind of a being did you think it was? A cat? A pig? No honestly what is a zygote?


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  • #7692
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    I think everyone here needs to take a good look at the pictures. In fact the images should be up here for all to see


  • #7693
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    circadian wrote: »
    Absolutely no consistency or logic in your posting here.
    this is the context of my post,
    pleas advice wrote: »
    BabysCoffee wrote: »
    Trust Women.
    Presumably you will not be rushing out to seek an abortion after the 8th is repealed. The majority of women will be doing likewise.
    Do you trust women from England and Wales? Where there is more than one abortion for every four live births.

    trust women, how exactly? to have an abortion if they want / need one, and not have one if they don't want one?

    it's a nonsense phrase


  • #7694
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    I think everyone here needs to take a good look at the pictures

    We’ve had this argument before. You need to try harder.


  • #7695
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    splinter65 wrote: »
    When a human sperm has fertilized a human egg it is a human being. What kind of a being did you think it was? A cat? A pig? No honestly what is a zygote?

    So they are human beings?? So anti-choice campaigners are erecting posters of naked babies across Ireland in the lead up to the referendum, that's child pornography isn't it!!!


  • #7696
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    splinter65 wrote: »
    .............

    No honestly what is a zygote?

    It's a zygote

    - then take the tube and divides into a ball of cells - blastocyst


  • #7697
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    dudara wrote: »
    We’ve had this argument before. You need to try harder.

    This site won't allow it. You only facilitate half arsed debates


  • #7698
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    pleas advice wrote: »
    yes, you are well wide of the mark, a biologically separate human life begins at conception.

    Whatever about when human life begins, the right to life doesn't begin at conception. And even when it's right to life does kick in, it's secondary to other rights and freedoms (and not just the woman's right to life either).

    It's funny how that nevers causes issues for the self described pro lifers.
    RobertKK wrote: »
    Pro-Life is pro the life of the mother and her unborn.

    So that means everyone who objected to legislating for the woman's right to life isn't "pro life". Which covers just about everyone currently campaigning for a No vote.


  • #7699
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    pleas advice wrote: »
    this is the context of my post,


    trust women, how exactly? to have an abortion if they want / need one, and not have one if they don't want one?

    it's a nonsense phrase

    Nice to see you admit that women sometimes need an abortion.

    Now that we have established that why would you deny women in need a medical procedure?


  • #7700
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    I think everyone here needs to take a good look at the pictures. In fact the images should be up here for all to see

    I have to say you have a strange taste in photography, I wouldn't be advising people to look at abortion pictures!

    Maybe a nice kitten or puppy but an aborted fetus, nah, bit much now.


  • #7701
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Some people are pro-life and are pro-choice......me for example.

    aren't we all, though? in our own way


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  • #7702
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    This site won't allow it. You only facilitate half arsed debates

    I don't think there's anyone here that hasn't seen a 12 week old foetus


  • #7703
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    splinter65 wrote: »
    Can you explain this for me? An unfertilised egg is not a human being. A sperm that has not fertilized an egg is not a human being. An egg that has been fertilized by a sperm is a human being.
    Are you agreed?
    If so, then what is your point?

    According to previous posts a baby up to 12 weeks is not a baby but an idea of a baby, a clump of cells.Madness I know. I would love to hear from Drs that will be forced to do this.Does this not contradict their pledge not to do harm?
    More verbal diorreha
    No doctor will be FORCED to do anything and a 12 week old yet is is NOT a baby
    You need to go buy some cop on pills


  • #7704
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    pleas advice wrote: »
    this is the context of my post,


    trust women, how exactly? to have an abortion if they want / need one, and not have one if they don't want one?

    it's a nonsense phrase

    I actually agree, 'trust women' is a nonsensical campaign slogan, and so is 'love both'.

    It's basically just advertising, nothing more.


  • #7705
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Some people are pro-life and are pro-choice......me for example.

    An undecided voter?


  • #7706
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    According to previous posts a baby up to 12 weeks is not a baby but an idea of a baby, a clump of cells.Madness I know. I would love to hear from Drs that will be forced to do this.Does this not contradict their pledge not to do harm?

    Doctor's do not have to take a pledge if they do not want to. The Hippocratic oath is out dated.


  • #7707
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    An undecided voter?

    Nah, I'm pro sex, it's a great job altogther ;-)


  • #7708
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    So they are human beings?? So anti-choice campaigners are erecting posters of naked babies across Ireland in the lead up to the referendum, that's child pornography isn't it!!!

    I’ve got some pictures on my phone of my naked nieces aged 4 and 2 in the bath. Is that child pornography?
    I’m glad you agree that they’re human beings. Because that’s what they are.


  • #7709
    amdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    According to previous posts a baby up to 12 weeks is not a baby but an idea of a baby, a clump of cells.Madness I know. I would love to hear from Drs that will be forced to do this.Does this not contradict their pledge not to do harm?

    Serious questions.

    Does the woman ever ever EVER enter your mind at all?

    Does it ever enter your mind that the doctor should be not doing harm to the woman?

    Why do you never think about the woman's life?


  • #7710
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Nah, I'm pro sex, it's a great job altogther ;-)

    Well maybe wear a balloon next time some poor unfortunate facilitates ya


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  • #7711
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I’ve got some pictures on my phone of my naked nieces aged 4 and 2 in the bath. Is that child pornography?
    I’m glad you agree that they’re human beings. Because that’s what they are.

    Could be, I don't know what you're using the pictures for!

    I don't agree that a fetus is a human being, but if you do then I honestly find it strange that you don't have an issue with people erecting pictures of naked babies (by your own definition, not mine). What the fúck like?


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